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Why Calvin?

Was he dealing with the problems and evils unique of our day?

Want to go back in time machine and land on Plymouth rock?

Pastors God gives us for our day (a few) will be able to counter the evils of the day we live in.
Calvin was only good for the fundamentals, for baby Christians at best.

What are you after?
All this is hypocrisy, you have been following and arguing false Calvins and false premises for weeks.

Believing false Calvins and false premise for weeks

Your the one with wool pulled over your eyes.

Your blind man leading the blind
 
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Jesus defeated death for every living soul because and every living soul is his and his life
why I'm wondering you say I follow someone.

My feeling is I must be a natural Calvin

Not that I am Calvin just that God spoke to Calvin same way he spoke to me.

But this I only find out now.


Because I read all Calvins beliefs and they same as mine.

What this is looking like here is I'm not one with wool pulled over my eyes

It's looking people or maybe even catholics purposely giving Calvin a bad name.

It maybe they are all unreformed.

Walking in zombie land for superstition
 
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Ok so what was created here

Genesis 1:27-28

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27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

And what was created here


Genesis 2.7

And God formed man from the dust
no it says mankind was created in Gods image, and then he spoke to Adam. It doesn't say Adam was created from nothing.

It doesn't Adam was created in dust in heaven,, it says in his image so it must be Adam first created in spirit.


Your just of dogma
 

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I'm tired of repeating myself and you ignoring what I say. Faith is a gift. I have said it repeatedly. Faith in God is the fruit of salvation, not believing. Believing is an act of our volition. We either believe the truth or we do not. Believing there is one God (Jam.2:19) is not believing the Gospel which is the power of God unto salvation.

Exactly who do you think you are that you think you have the right to put me to the test? You know nothing about my life, what I have faced or what I am facing now. You are a divisive person who needs to take some of their own medicine and humble themselves and submit to His grace. It would matter not what I say to your ludicrous question because you would choose not to believe me anyway. This is symptomatic of your bullying tactics that you would think to put a gun to people's heads. Shame on you.

Our "discussion" is finished. Have a nice day.

grace and peace.
you refuse to confirm where you look for assurance so my only conclusion is that you do not yet have it and am seeking to point you into the right direction which has obviously offended you and I am not sorry for that.
 

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Paul was a genius.....
But, God did not save Paul because he was a genius.

Peter was kind of dumb.
But, God did not save Peter because he was kind of dumb.

Anyone could understand what I just said... :coffee:
why are you lying about what I said in the quote?
 

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no it says mankind was created in Gods image, and then he spoke to Adam. It doesn't say Adam was created from nothing.

It doesn't Adam was created in dust in heaven,, it says in his image so it must be Adam first created in spirit.


Your just of dogma

I am sorry if you truly have mental issues.
You should make it known, so we do not think you are trying to be evil towards God's Word.
 

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I did not say those words and yet you had my name in a quote with them.
I do not know how it ended up that way....

But, here is the original that I quoted from.

God doesn't save people based on how smart they think they are, nobody know who Go has chosen to save or why. That's His business, but I believe He is more pleased with dumb slow people than the wise guys who beat their chest while they look down on others.
How it happened? I can not say for sure.
I only intended to respond to what was said...

My apologies just the same...

grace and peace/....
 

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you refuse to confirm where you look for assurance so my only conclusion is that you do not yet have it and am seeking to point you into the right direction which has obviously offended you and I am not sorry for that.
Unbelievable! :eek::oops:

It's your unwillingness to hear what is being said that is offensive. I am not ashamed of the Gospel. I have said the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I have said faith is a gift of God. I have said we are saved by grace through faith. Not good enough for you? You have some need to continue beating people over the head with your understanding and if they don't agree with you fully they must somehow not be saved?

I am not here to conform to your standards of truth, I don't have to answer to you. I have explained in quite a bit of detail how a man is saved by grace through faith. Try listening to what is being said to you. You might find out there is some degree of error in your thinking.
 
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after 2 solid years of hating life and wanting to die in every way, except leaving my 2 sons in the world with there heads full of "dad killed himself", not to mention I knew that no other man on earth would love them like I did, I was stuck here hating life.
(((((Jimbone))))) ... so, so glad you're still with us ... and your 2 sons still have their father with them!!!




Jimbone said:
I didn't call out Jesus, nor did I tell God I was "ready now", I just realized I couldn't do it in the most painful way. I picked myself up, dried myself off and went to bed.
Psalm 34:18-19 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.




Jimbone said:
lunch 9-29-13
9-29 is my birthday!!! happy birthday to you!!!

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It's your unwillingness to hear what is being said that is offensive.
Why bother to be offended?

If it were only you he is that way to?

Then, being offended might make sense..
 
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That is not quite what the Hebrew reveals.

In Genesis 1:27-28 - What was created? Was instantaneous, and created 'out from nothing.' [bara]

What was 'molded and formed" [jatsar] in Genesis 2:7?
That body involved using created matter that had already been created out from nothing [bara] and then "molded and formed" out from the elements of the earth. Molded and formed to provide a 'body' for the soul that was earlier created 'out from nothing in Genesis 1:28.


grace and peace ...............
Again God can create something instantaneous he said in the beginning let there be light and there was.

Because it was light from light.

In the beginning he created life from his life and it was



Genesis 1:27-28

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27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
 
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Why Calvin?

Was he dealing with the problems and evils unique of our day?

Want to go back in time machine and land on Plymouth rock?

Pastors God gives us for our day (a few) will be able to counter the evils of the day we live in.
Calvin was only good for the fundamentals, for baby Christians at best.

What are you after?
Keep believing false Calvinists here then, the ones you love to argue with here in side false premise , the same ones with wool pulled over there eyes, just like you 😊

Thankyou
 

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It was my choice to believe. God doesn't do my thinking for me, He is the truth with which to think that's why He designed man with a mind and and a will.

How many verses do you want that shows believing is our responsibility because there are just so many?

Sigh, I do hope you aren't going to go off on the whole "faith is a gift" line because I have gone through this argument with a number already in this thread. Saving faith is a gift from God, it comes from the word. Believing is something God tells us to do and ensures we are given opportunity to do it or not according to our own desires.
THANK YOU! thank you for answering my question. you didn't dodge it; you told me what you honestly believe, which is all i was hoping for. i would hug you right now if i could. :)

will you please forgive me for sighing at you? i was frustrated with someone else, and i took it out on you. it was badly done, and i'm truly sorry.
 

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THANK YOU! thank you for answering my question. you didn't dodge it; you told me what you honestly believe, which is all i was hoping for. i would hug you right now if i could. :)

will you please forgive me for sighing at you? i was frustrated with someone else, and i took it out on you. it was badly done, and i'm truly sorry.
Nothing to apologise for. I know the feeling as I was in a similar position. :)

It's all good. :D

grace and peace.
 

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So you went to the alter without feeling the conviction of God?
Yep, went to the alter deceived, yet was following all the instructions I was given by the church leadership to a "T", and then declared saved. Hmmm, Maybe this is my point. Why do you think I share this? To make myself look good? I also wasn't even considering God or Jesus when He actually saved me. So if you think going to the alter unknowingly insincere, then you must real loath me for not even calling His name when He did save me, maybe I'm a 3rd class Christian. Like I said I thought I was saved, I thought I was a Christian, yet when the trial hit the false idea I had of reality as a whole was wrong, and my fake Jesus didn't help. Besides asking about my false conversion and my flaws in approaching Jesus before I knew Him, why not tell me what you think about that next day I was "road to Damascus" converted? Habits, priorities, relationships and EVERYTHING changed overnight, and His power has kept me these last nearly 11 years just as hungry and amazed the deeper He pulls me.

Your very question highlights the problem with a man centered salvation. You asked "So you went to the alter without feeling the conviction of God?", seemingly with arrogance and judgement, but I could be reading that into it admittedly, as if you KNEW before you were born again exactly how this all worked. I wasn't as "good" as you were then. I'm a second class Christian I guess. See the problem with this? No God saved me EXACTLY how He meant to, just as He did everyone He draws to Himself. He gets the glory for it ALL, I don't get any credit for any of it, even if He did bless me with going up to the alter call and doing it all "church house proper", I don't get some kind of credit/merit points for making the right choice. No He showed me very clearly that I had NOTHING at all to do with my salvation, and I will always testify this.
One more thing, if I did read any condescension or arrogance into your short comment that wasn't intended then I apologize. I was framing the response with the whole conversation in mind, I'm not trying to direct anything directly towards you outside of my opinion on the motivation and tone of the comment, but again if I was wrong in my assessment then I apologize.