PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

[wsblind]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

You should, they invented most of the eschatology that you lay claim to..Did you plagiarize it from them?

Oh, and the Messiah was cut of in the mist of the 69th week, the 70 weeks ended 3 1/2 years later with the martyr of Stephan, then the gospel went to the Gentiles just like Jesus said in Acts 1......If there is no completion of the 70 weeks there can possibly no salvation for anyone in the last 2000 years.....

Rather than act like a 3 year old, why don't you respond to post 93?

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

And as I have told you, Matt.24:31 is not referring to the gathering of the church

And as I have told you, I'm not INTERESTED at this particular moment as to whether Matt.24:31 is referring to a "gathering" of the church or the Jews or anyone else. The muddled thinking is rather hilarious.

I have one simple question for any PreTribbers here: Do you believe (as PreTrib does) that the "gathering" event in Matthew 24...occurs at the end of the 1260 days? Yes or no.

If you DO believe such (as is the official position of PreTrib's major proponents) then you have violated plainly stated scripture. You have failed to uphold scripture. It's a very, very, very simple scenario. And a very simple question.

Now I will stand back and watch some of you guys start going on about how to repair a '56 Chevy, you're planned summer vacation, or talk about Second Hezekiah, or Third Lamentations, or supralapsarianism versus infralapsarianism versus Labrador Retrievers...on and on and on.

And my simple little question (I predict) will still be sitting there.

Run, Ahwa, run.

 

[wsblind]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

And as I have told you, I'm not INTERESTED at this particular moment as to whether Matt.24:31 is referring to a "gathering" of the church or the Jews or anyone else. The muddled thinking is rather hilarious.

I have one simple question for any PreTribbers here: Do you believe (as PreTrib does) that the "gathering" event in Matthew 24...occurs at the end of the 1260 days? Yes or no.

If you DO believe such (as is the official position of PreTrib's major proponents) then you have violated plainly stated scripture. You have failed to uphold scripture. It's a very, very, very simple scenario. And a very simple question.

Now I will stand back and watch some of you guys start going on about how to repair a '56 Chevy, you're planned summer vacation, or talk about Second Hezekiah, or Third Lamentations, or supralapsarianism versus infralapsarianism versus Labrador Retrievers...on and on and on.

And my simple little question (I predict) will still be sitting there.

Run, Ahwa, run.

What???? YOU are assuming that it is the rapture. It is not the rapture of the church.

Yes there is a gathering at the end of this scripture. But it is not the rapture. So it violates nothing.

We are not putting a specific time on the rapture, because this gathering is not the rapture of the church.

 

[wsblind]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

And as I have told you, I'm not INTERESTED at this particular moment as to whether Matt.24:31 is referring to a "gathering" of the church or the Jews or anyone else. The muddled thinking is rather hilarious.

I have one simple question for any PreTribbers here: Do you believe (as PreTrib does) that the "gathering" event in Matthew 24...occurs at the end of the 1260 days? Yes or no.

If you DO believe such (as is the official position of PreTrib's major proponents) then you have violated plainly stated scripture. You have failed to uphold scripture. It's a very, very, very simple scenario. And a very simple question.

Now I will stand back and watch some of you guys start going on about how to repair a '56 Chevy, you're planned summer vacation, or talk about Second Hezekiah, or Third Lamentations, or supralapsarianism versus infralapsarianism versus Labrador Retrievers...on and on and on.

And my simple little question (I predict) will still be sitting there.

Run, Ahwa, run.

And it seems you are running. Christ said that these days will be cut short. So you can have no idea the exact day and hour of his Second coming.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Jesus supported a post Trib rapture in Matthew 24: 29-31 thats good enough for me.

Um no he did not.. That would only be according to your interpretation of Matt 24, which I strongly think is flawed.

Apart from that if the post Trib position is so difficult to support using scripture how come most of the Church supports it and has done for almost 2000 years. It was only until around 1830 that most people had even considered a Pre Trib Rapture when John Darby and later Cyrus Schofield spread the idea. Even today the most support it gets is in the US.

again I ask, why bother?

Again I state,, if post trib is true, Jesus has no one to rule over, and there is no life left on earth.. and I restate, post trib is the LEAST scripturally supported pre-mill theory out there, the only theory less supported would be ammilinlailsim or preterism

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Who is "he"? Are you talking about me? And who is "we"? All the PreTribbers on this board...or something?

He is Jesus

We is everyone, no matter what belief system they follow.

What in the world? The text is absolutely crystal clear:

"After the tribulation of those days...the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky...and He will send forth His angels...to gather the elect...so when you see all these things, know that He is right at the door...but of that day and hour no one knows...but the Father...".

There it is -- clear as a bell -- "after the tribulation" the angels will "gather the elect". What's not to understand?

It does not say he ressurected the dead, It says he gathered the elect.

If he resurrected the dead, and the living followed after at that time, to go to the bema seat judgment and recieve their glorified bodies Jesus has nno one left to rule. and "he who endures to the end will be saved" is meaningless.

Its not that hard to understand.

and PreTribbers place this event on exactly the 1260th day. A point-blank contradiction to Scripture.

lol.. You just hurt yourself. pretribbers do not place this on day 1260.. It woudl be POST tribulation, the return of christ, would be the end of 7 years. not 3.5 years..

How can you attack something you do not even understand?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

thanks for the response.

but, I wasn't asking if it's important, but rather
how
it is important.


to put it another way, how will a sincere Christian who holds to pre trib
live differently if they change to post trib?

nice question, I would actually like to know this myself..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

I think I agree with that,

live like you're going to meet God very soon... because it just may be true

LUKE 12:20 "But God said to him, 'You fool! I will demand your life from you tonight! Now who will get what you've accumulated?'

I agree, If we think jesus may come at anytime, We will be out spreading the word. to make sure especially those we love make it with us.. The last thing we would be doing is living like it does not matter, and if we do.. We are sad people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Ok well..I couldn't discern that from your previous comment. Seemed like you were just thinking Bible prophecy is a waste of time. Thus your somewhat apologetic comment about not wanting to belittle the overall topic.

Anyway...the difference is that people who believe in a PreTrib rapture will be utterly unprepared and overwhelmed when the Antichrist explodes onto the world scene with the force of a 100,000 nuclear bombs (so to speak) with snarling, bare-fanged ferocity...and all these millions of American Evangelical PreTribbers are shocked to find their "PreTrib rapture" has gone missing.

That's why Jesus talks (in the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matt. 25) about the absolute importance of pre-filling your lamps with oil (a kind of spiritual preparation, in my understanding) so as to be able to step out into the darkness to go and meet the Master.

At that time, millions of erstwhile 'believers' will panic, capitulate, take the Mark of the Beast (aided by the false assurances of badly misdefined OSAS)...and go on to split the gates of Hell wide open.

aww, it comes through..

Pre-trib and eternal security are from satan himself.

Thanks, that answers alot.

ps. I lean pre-trib, But if the antichrist comes today I will be prepaired. why? Because God has prepared me for tribulation. and since I have eternal security, I have no fear. because as paul said, momentary light affliction.. why? what is 3.5 years of hell compared to eternity? a million years after it happens, the people who went through tribulation will probably not even remember it..

Now those who do not believe in security, and are post trib.. They need to worry.

1. They may lose salvation if they do not live up to certain requirments.
2. Why bother living today for God. I do not have to worry about his coming, the tribulation comes first. if that happens, I will receive christ then. ( i have heard this from many a person)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Pretrib is Darby ilk...There is no such thing as pretrib anything. The tribulation started 2000 years ago, in fact it began with the martyr of Stephan... Even John, in the book of Revelation, said the time is at hand and he was the companion in tribulation to his fellow saints of that day.......

oh it did? wow.. Yet Jesus said it would be a short time period. and a time so great on the earth that no flesh would survive if he did not cut it shorter.

There is a difference between tribulation, which people like Paul, John, and all the apostles. and all christians all over the world suffer on a daily bases and "GREAT TRIBULATION" which is worldwide.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

You should, they invented most of the eschatology that you lay claim to..Did you plagiarize it from them?

Oh, and the Messiah was cut of in the mist of the 69th week, the 70 weeks ended 3 1/2 years later with the martyr of Stephan, then the gospel went to the Gentiles just like Jesus said in Acts 1......If there is no completion of the 70 weeks there can possibly no salvation for anyone in the last 2000 years.....

nope.

The messiah was cut off at the END (immediately after) the 69th week.

and the 70th week has nothign to do with the salvation of anyone, It has to do with Isreal and the city putting an end to their sin, repenting and turning to God. Will will occure AFTET the time of Jacobs trouble, also knows as the great tribulation.

 

[tanakh]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Hello Tanakh,



"After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back its four winds so that no wind would blow on land or sea or on any tree. "

If you would just read the scripture, it tells you right in the verse where the angels are standing, which is on the earth, and where the winds are that they are holding back, which is also on the earth.



"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers,2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter presuming to be from us and alleging that the day of the Lord has already come."

The "coming of our Lord" and "our being gathered to him" are the same event. For 1 Thes.4:16 states that the Lord will descend from heaven and the dead in Christ will rise first and then those who are still alive will be changed and caught up. i.e. His coming is to gather us. This is not the same event of when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. When that event takes place the church, which will have previously been gathered, will return with Christ, following him out of heaven riding on white horses. As I continue to tell you, the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, are two separate events.



Two things here, one, you are not taking into consideration that there will be the great tribulation saints who are introduced in Rev.7:9-17 who will be here during the time of tribulation. Those who will have come to Christ after the church has been gathered, which is why you never see the Ekklesia/church beyond Rev.4 onward.

And two, you are not understanding that, those whom the angels are gathering in Matt.24:30, are gathering living people who are still in their mortal bodies, who will have made it through the time of God's wrath until Christ returns. Matt.24:30 is not representing the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up. These great tribulation saints along with the woman Israel, will be those who repopulate the earth during the millennial period.



As I have said so many times, if you have the gathering of the church taking place at the same time that the Lord returns to the earth, then you have the church going through all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which makes up the entire wrath of God. You continue to exclude this information and more from your exegesis.

Your reply is to my answer to Popeyes reply who seems to think Jesus needs to send Angels around a windy heaven to gather everyone up for the second coming. I was trying to explain that the people they gather are on earth and are raptured at the end of the tribulation which I believe is separate from the wrath of god. I dont believe in a separate group called tribulation saints that are saved after the rapture.. If they are saved they must be the Church and bride of Christ According to Jesus when he comes if you are not ready he will tell you ''I never knew you and the door is closed. So how can anyone be a saint after the rapture? Jesus also warns anyone in Judea to flee when they see the Abomination of Desolation which appears during the tribulation so although saved they are not raptured either.

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

And it seems you are running. Christ said that these days will be cut short. So you can have no idea the exact day and hour of his Second coming.

Bro, you can't do that - LOL. Not if you want to be a PreTribber! The length of Jacob's Trouble has been prophesied for thousands and thousands of years. You don't get to just glibly claim "oh well, let's shorten up the 1260 days so we can stay consistent with the "no one knows the day or hour" thing.

But this is typical of the PreTrib community. Eventually one sees significant fragmentation as the various little laypersons scramble to the four winds trying to cover all the holes and gaps left by the big mucky-muck PreTrib celebs.

No, you're at odds with every single PreTrib luminary in the world, in trying to claim the 1260 days are shortened. And so...you've just created another contradiction against Scripture. You've traded one contradiction for another.

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

It does not say he ressurected the dead, It says he gathered the elect.

If he resurrected the dead, and the living followed after at that time, to go to the bema seat judgment and recieve their glorified bodies Jesus has nno one left to rule. and "he who endures to the end will be saved" is meaningless.

The muddled thinking is absolutely and utterly amazing. Let me state the question in such simple terms even my little daughter could understand:

Do you believe (as PreTrib does) that the "gathering" in Matthew 24 occurs at the end of the 1260 days?

If so, you have failed (as PreTrib does) to uphold the scriptures a mere two verses later, which stipulates "no one will know the day or hour" OF this "gathering"...but which PreTrib insists CAN be pinned down to the very day.

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

lol.. You just hurt yourself. pretribbers do not place this on day 1260.. It woudl be POST tribulation, the return of christ, would be the end of 7 years. not 3.5 years..

How can you attack something you do not even understand?

What in THEE wide world are you talking about, friend?

This "gathering" is happening during the 2nd half of the 70th Week. And if we're to believe PreTrib proponents (your unfamiliarity with your own PreTrib doctrine notwithstanding)...this "gathering" is happening at the very end of the second half...at the end of 1260 days.

It doesn't matter if you're unfamiliar with PreTrib orthodoxy or not. That IS the PreTrib position: The emergence of the Lord in the skies described in the Matthew 24 passage and the subsequent "gathering" of the elect is (according to ALL major PreTrib proponents) happening at the dead-end of the 1260-day second half of the 70th Week of Daniel.

Thus, PreTrib does not uphold the scripture that says "no one knows the day or the hour" which, in turn, unravels the entirety of PreTrib doctrine.

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

aww, it comes through..

Pre-trib and eternal security are from satan himself.

Thanks, that answers alot.

ps. I lean pre-trib, But if the antichrist comes today I will be prepaired. why? Because God has prepared me for tribulation. and since I have eternal security, I have no fear. because as paul said, momentary light affliction.. why? what is 3.5 years of hell compared to eternity? a million years after it happens, the people who went through tribulation will probably not even remember it..

Now those who do not believe in security, and are post trib.. They need to worry.

1. They may lose salvation if they do not live up to certain requirments.
2. Why bother living today for God. I do not have to worry about his coming, the tribulation comes first. if that happens, I will receive christ then. ( i have heard this from many a person)

Such a dumb response. I wasn't setting up my comments in the form of an argument for my position just there. I was extending a courtesy to the man asking me for an explanation about something. That's kind of a cheap shot. Good grief. If you want to have an actual discussion on a specific point, let me know.

And by the way, no you will NOT be "prepaired" [sp]. Jesus stipulates in Matthew 25, with the Parable of the Ten Virgins, the only way to prepare is to prepare SPECIFICALLY in actual anticipation of encountering the abomination of desolation. You don't get to treat the Olivet Discourse teachings like some sort of 'fall back' position. It doesn't work that way.

Either you take the Lord at His word in the Olivet Discourse and prepare for great tribulation. Or you stick to the PreTrib "carried off to heaven on flowery beds of ease" pipe dream.

 

[Dan_473]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Ok well..I couldn't discern that from your previous comment. Seemed like you were just thinking Bible prophecy is a waste of time. Thus your somewhat apologetic comment about not wanting to belittle the overall topic.

Anyway...the difference is that people who believe in a PreTrib rapture will be utterly unprepared and overwhelmed when the Antichrist explodes onto the world scene with the force of a 100,000 nuclear bombs (so to speak) with snarling, bare-fanged ferocity...and all these millions of American Evangelical PreTribbers are shocked to find their "PreTrib rapture" has gone missing.

That's why Jesus talks (in the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matt. 25) about the absolute importance of pre-filling your lamps with oil (a kind of spiritual preparation, in my understanding) so as to be able to step out into the darkness to go and meet the Master.

At that time, millions of erstwhile 'believers' will panic, capitulate, take the Mark of the Beast (aided by the false assurances of badly misdefined OSAS)...and go on to split the gates of Hell wide open.

well... but a sincere Christian would always be keeping their lamps 'topped up' with oil, wouldn't they?


and doing this
EPHESIANS 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
EPHESIANS 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
EPHESIANS 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
EPHESIANS 6:13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

Let me see if I can clarify this (although I'm not getting my hopes very high, given some of these wild and wacky responses):

If you look at the Olivet Discourse, Jesus says there will be the abomination of desolation. That is the middle point of the 7 years. So at that point there are 1260 days left. Jesus then says that the abomination kicks off the time of "great tribulation".

PreTribbers HAVE to believe this period lasts the full 1260 days..otherwise it pokes a hole in PreTrib and the ship begins to sinks.

PreTribbers HAVE to argue the Olivet Discourse is a "Jewish" passage that doesn't apply to Christians...otherwise, PreTrib is D.O.A..

Therefore, in direct and total and complete point-blank contradiction to the stipulation Jesus made concerning no one being able to know "the day or the hour"...PreTrib MUST assert that the time of tribulation which commences with this "abomination of desolation"...that is MUST last exactly 1260 days. Otherwise, PreTrib makes no sense, top to bottom.

If the time of Israel's subjection to the Antichrist's persecution has been prophesied for thousands of years to be of a 1260 day duration...then PreTrib has to ignore the "day and hour" stipulation.

And in fact, PreTrib has a long sordid history of sort of 'cheating' on this "day or hour" phrasing...and just applying it to an alleged "PreTrib rapture" without further ado - lol. Never mind there has been absolutely zip/zero/zilch biblical authorization for this mis-application.

 

[MattTooFor]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"

well... but a sincere Christian would always be keeping their lamps 'topped up' with oil, wouldn't they?

Well, all I can tell you is...there is a SPECIFIC stipulation in Matthew 25 which seems to indicate there is a requirement of specific preparation, specifically for the time of "darkness", i.e. the Great Tribulation.

My understanding of Jesus' comments in the Olivet Discourse is 1) we need to take Him at His word in His comments to believers and 2) it would therefore seem to be rather dangerous to treat Jesus' words to believers in the Olivet Discourse as some sort of "fall back" position.

Human nature being what it is, I know of very, very, very few PreTrib believers who are seriously preparing for the Great Tribulation. In fact, I know of none. Just the effort it takes to get one's family, one's children, one's spouse somewhat up and running and onboard with a post-trib / PreWrath mindset...this is NOT what American Christians want to think about.

We live a spiritually lazy existence...never more than five minutes from the nearest Starbucks...and with our Ken-and-Barbie happy-happy bubble lifestyle. And this PreTrib fantasy...that doesn't make any sense either way:

All those Christians in Sudan, Syria, Somalia, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, China, Soviet bloc nations (in earlier years), the Roman empire (on and on)...all shaking their heads as American Christian excitedly talk about avoiding tribulation via a PreTrib rapture.

PreTrib rapture is quickly becoming a moot issue, the closer we get to economic and political calamity right here in America. Even all the PreTrib big-wigs have nominally conceded over the years...that American Christians have no special exemption for severe persecution. But they only concede this nominally. Not in such a way to wake anyone up

 

[Ahwatukee]

Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"



Good day MattTooFor,

Human nature being what it is, I know of very, very, very few PreTrib believers who are seriously preparing for the Great Tribulation. In fact, I know of none. Just the effort it takes to get one's family, one's children, one's spouse somewhat up and running and onboard with a post-trib / PreWrath mindset...this is NOT what American Christians want to think about.

I continue to make it known that, one of the problems that exists in the controversy regarding the timing of the gathering of the church is 1) People do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath and 2) they are not trusting in scripture, which tells the believer that they are not destined to go through the wrath of God.

By your statement above I can see that you also don't understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. There is no preparation for the tribulation period! Anyone who is here on the earth will be exposed to all of God's wrath. From the middle of that last seven years, anyone who doesn't receive that mark will not be able have a bank account, or a job and won't be able to purchase food, or pay for anything at all, because it will all be done electronically with the mark as the way of performing any crediting and debiting to one's bank account. How would expect to survive the following:

4th Seal = a four of the earth's population killed by sword, famine, disease and by wild beasts of the earth. A fourth, based on 7 billion, would be approximately 1.7 billion fatalities

1st Trumpet = A third of the earth is burned up. How many people fatalities from this? You can't have a third of the earth being burned up without fatalities. Is God going to make sure that all of the believers are clear of that third that's being burned up?

2nd Trumpet = An object like a huge mountain (asteroid/meteorite) hits in one of the oceans, destroying a third of the ships over all the earth and killing a third of the creatures in the ocean. What is not mentioned is how they are killed, which will be by the 1500 plus foot tsunamis that will result from the impact. How many people on those ships? Every city and the people in them that touches the shore of that body of water will be destroyed and killed and the same for those cities, towns and people hundreds of miles inland. Is God also going to make sure that no believer is on any of those ships or in any of those coastal cities?

5th Trumpet = An angel releases demonic beings from the Abyss who are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months with the stings like that of scorpions. The only one's who are exempt will be the 144,000 who will have been sealed with the seal of God on their foreheads, which means that everyone else on the planet will be tormented by these things and that would include the church if they were here during that time. And because there is no one else mentioned as being exempt from this plague.

6th Trumpet = Four evil angels are released who gather a demonic army of 200 million who kill one third of the inhabitants of the earth. The fatalities from just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet alone would be approximately 50% of the worlds population dead. And that is not including the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1,2 and 3 nor the fatalities from the seven bowl judgments.

I'm just trying to give you an idea here that, there is no preparation for the time of God's wrath. Most of the great tribulation saints will be killed because they will be willing to die keeping their testimony for Christ and the word of God and who will not worship the beast, his image or receive his mark.

All those Christians in Sudan, Syria, Somalia, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, China, Soviet bloc nations (in earlier years), the Roman empire (on and on)...all shaking their heads as American Christian excitedly talk about avoiding tribulation via a PreTrib rapture.

The above is a common misconception in that, people make no distinction between the common trials and tribulations that the Lord said we would have as believers vs. God's coming wrath. Those people you mention above are not suffering the wrath of God, but common trials and tribulation and that for their faith in Christ. Everyone who enters into that seven year period will be exposed to God's direct wrath, which we, believers in Christ, are not appointed to suffer and that because Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath and that because he already experienced God's wrath for all believers.

There is no preparation for the tribulation period. Jesus' promise to come back and take us back to the Father's house when he descends from heaven where the dead are resurrection and the living are changed and caught up, will take place prior to that first seal being opened in order to remove his church prior to His wrath being poured out. That time of wrath will be for the unrepentant, those who will have rejected Christ. The tribulation is not a time of suffering God's wrath for the church who will have already repented and received Christ.

God does not punish the righteous with wicked. Since the entire earth will be exposed to all of these plagues of wrath, the church cannot be here.


There is no preparation for the tribulation period!