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Regeneration is not a change of the old Adamic life, but the introduction of a new: it is the implantation of life of the Last Adam. And this is by the operation of the Holy Spirit, founded upon the accomplished redemption of Christ, and in full keeping with the sovereign will or counsel of the Father. The moment a sinner receives the Savior by faith, he becomes the possessor of a new life, a totally new creation—and the source of the life is the Lord Jesus (Col 3:4); he is born of God, and His child for all eternity.

Nor does the introduction of this new life alter, in the slightest degree, the true, essential character of the old. This rather continues what it is, and is made in no respect better; yes, rather, there is the full display of its evil character in opposition to the new creation. “The flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other” (Gal 5:17). There they are in all their distinctness.

I believe this doctrine of the two natures in the believer is not generally understood; and yet, so long as there is ignorance of it, the mind must be utterly at sea in reference to the true standing and privileges of the child of God. Some there are who think that regeneration is a certain change which the old Adamic life undergoes; and, moreover, that this change is gradual in its operation, until, at length, the whole man becomes transformed.

That this idea is unsound can be proved by various quotations from the New Testament. For example, “The canal mind is enmity against God” (Rom 8:7). How can that which is thus spoken of ever undergo any improvement? The apostle goes on to say, “It is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” If it cannot be subject to the law of God, how can it be improved, how can it undergo any change? Again, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh.” Do what you will with the flesh, and it is flesh all the while.

And Paul does not say, “Ye have improved, or are seeking to improve, ‘the old man,’” but rather, “Ye have put off the old man”* (Col 3:9). Passages might easily be multiplied to prove the unsoundness of the theory with respect to the gradual improvement of the old man—to prove that the old man is dead in sins*, and utterly unrenewable; and, moreover, that the only thing we can do with it is to keep it under our feet by reckoning upon the death and new life that we have in union with our risen Head in the heavens.

If present or future blessedness were made to depend upon even a divine change wrought in our nature, flesh would glory. Though my nature were improved, it would be something of me, and thus God would not have all the glory. But when I am introduced into a new creation, I find it is all of God—designed, matured; developed by the Father Himself—He is the Giver, and I am the receiver.

This is what makes Christianity what it is; and, moreover, distinguishes it from every system of human religion under the sun, whether it be Romanism, or Protestantism, or any other ism whatsoever. Human religion gives the creature a place, more of less; it keeps the bondwoman and her son in the house (Gen 21:10-12); it gives man something whereof to glory in. On the contrary, Christianity excludes the creature from all interference in the work of salvation—casts out the bondwomen and her son, and gives all the glory to Him in Whom alone it is due.

- C H Mackintosh


Poster’s Comment:
*”put off the old man”: not taken off or removed, but avoiding it by progressively not walking in its desires, according to as the Spirit teaches us, that we not only live in Him—but are ever learning to “walk” in Him (Gal 5:25).

*”old man is dead in sins”: Dead in the right to incur guilt, and in the ability to engender dominion. As one becomes born again this old nature is rather enhanced to the believer’s awareness to see more clearly of what it is, which results in seeing more clearly of God’s holiness; “that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful” (Rom 7:13).
 

Magenta

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That this idea is unsound can be proved by various quotations from the New Testament. For example, “The canal mind is enmity against God” (Rom 8:7). How can that which is thus spoken of ever undergo any improvement? The apostle goes on to say, “It is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” If it cannot be subject to the law of God, how can it be improved, how can it undergo any change? Again, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh.” Do what you will with the flesh, and it is flesh all the while.
I thought those verses were referring to an unregenerated person...
 
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I thought those verses were referring to an unregenerated person...
He is promoting dual nature doctrine which has its origin in ancient Gnosticism.

This kind of trash infiltrated Christianity when Augustinian philosophy was accepted into church orthodoxy and it has just grown from there.

A human being has ONE nature, not two. We are either carnally minded (in rebellion to God) or spiritually minded (yielded to God).

The lusts of the flesh which are a source of temptation are not a nature. Jesus was tempted in all points as we are and was likewise tempted by the lusts of the flesh because he was present in a flesh body.

This dual nature doctrine teaches that sin is an inherited defect and thus shifts the blame from CHOICE to a BIRTH NATURE. Thus the sinner is compelled to approach God with an "I cannot help it, sin I will and sin I must" attitude instead of the broken repentance which produces a total change in behaviour.

The OP is just a means of teaching that we can sin and not surely die because sin we will and sin we must. Thus all a Christian has to do is "identify" with some abstract notion of "being dead and alive in Christ" whilst their behaviour does not have to match.

Just ask any of the people who promote this stuff...

"Does a child molester have to stop molesting children BEFORE God will forgive them?"

That one question blows away their foundation almost instantly.
 
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Another thing to keep in mind is the plain and simple New Testatment.

Jesus was a preacher of righteousness and so were all His followers. The Bible admonishes over and over for us to be holy. Is a compulsion to holiness the purpose of the OP's wiritngs. Look at his history. He is simply a promoter of "sin you will and sin you must" which is dressed up in some Biblical terminology.
 
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NetChaplain

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I thought those verses were referring to an unregenerated person...
Hi Mag - Thanks for the reply and inquiry. Some believe the "old man," which is the sinful nature is dead and gone, but Scripture teaches crucifixion of the old man (Rom 6:6) only, not death; but we we have died to the sinful nature, which only involves the believer's guiltless state, and no longer being ruled by the sinful nature (Rom 6:17, 20). Though we're not ruled by it, it still temps us and causes us, by the Spirit, to continue to learn to grow from it in our faith.
 
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Another thing to keep in mind is the plain and simple New Testatment.

Jesus was a preacher of righteousness and so were all His followers. The Bible admonishes over and over for us to be holy. Is a compulsion to holiness the purpose of the OP's wiritngs. Look at his history. He is simply a promoter of "sin you will and sin you must" which is dressed up in some Biblical terminology.
I believe when Scripture states to "be holy," is means that we are holy and we live in showing it. I do not believe the Christian life is becoming holy, but showing we are. Holiness is a state of being, not a state of developing or producing, which only deity can impute from Themselves.

Ye are holy, and it will show more all the time because the Father will ensure it (Phl 2:13); just as believers live in the Spirit, it will eventually show by their "walking in the Spirit,"--by the Spirit (Gal 5:25). I do not believe one can have the Spirit and never learn walk by or in Him!