probably the greatest weakness of Hebrew Roots
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Question: "Who were the Judaizers?"
Answer: There have always been those who balk at the idea of God’s salvation being offered freely to those who believe. They reason that such a grand gift as forgiveness from such a holy God must require some kind of payment from us. We thank God for His grace, but we understand that He expects us to somehow earn that grace—in other words, there must be something that we can do to pay off the debt we owe to God.
In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”
A Judaizer taught that, in order for a Christian to truly be right with God, he must conform to the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, especially, was promoted as necessary for salvation. Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes first, and then they could come to Christ.
The doctrine of the Judaizers was a mixture of grace (through Christ) and works (through the keeping of the Law). This false doctrine was dealt with in Acts 15 and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians.
At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses.
Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).
There are many groups today with beliefs/practices very similar to the Judaizers of the New Testament. The two most prominent would be the Hebrew Roots Movement and the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to those of the Judaizers whom Paul rebuked in Galatians. A primary focus of the Hebrew Roots Movement is to put followers of Christ back under the bondage of the Old Testament Law.
The Roman Catholic Church teaches a doctrine similar to that of the Judaizers of the New Testament in this way: its doctrine is a mixture of law and grace. At the Council of Trent in the 16th century, the Catholic Church explicitly denied the idea of salvation by faith alone.
Catholics have always held that certain sacraments are necessary for salvation. The issues for the 1st-century Judaizers were circumcision and Sabbath-keeping. The issues for modern-day Catholics are baptism, confession, etc. The works considered necessary may have changed, but both Judaizers and Catholics attempt to merit God’s grace through the performance of ritualistic acts.
First Timothy 4:3 says that, in later times, false teachers will “forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.” This sounds suspiciously close to some of the teachings of Roman Catholicism, which requires priests to be celibate (“forbidding to marry”) and proclaims some food to be off-limits during Lent (“abstaining from certain foods”).
The Judaizers upheld the Mosaic Law as necessary for salvation; Catholics uphold man-made tradition as necessary; both view Christ’s death as being insufficient without the active and continued cooperation of the one being saved.
The Bible is clear that the attempt to add human works to God’s grace overlooks the very meaning of grace, which is “undeserved blessing.” As Paul says, “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). Praise the Lord, “Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).
https://gotquestions.org/Judaizers.html
I do not look at all Hebrew Roots adherents as all the same.
As I have said before - there are many that are of authentic Jewish descent and they like their traditions but they do not say that others need to observe the Sabbath or feasts as in the law of Moses or you are dis-obeying God and sinning. They observe these things to see Christ as the fulfillment of them - not as something they "need" to do now.
This group has excellent teachings on how Christ has fulfilled the Law and show Christ in every part of the Old Testament. Jesus said that all the scriptures speak about Him.
This group of believers are a major blessing to us in the body of Christ and are not Judaizers such as Paul encountered and that are also in the extreme sects of Hebrew Roots that say believers in Christ must "observe the Sabbath and the feasts like in the law of Moses - or they are dis-obeying God and sinning".
Those - run away from as fast as you can! - but do not put all Hebrew Roots people in the same boat as the extreme sects because they are not the same.
Answer: There have always been those who balk at the idea of God’s salvation being offered freely to those who believe. They reason that such a grand gift as forgiveness from such a holy God must require some kind of payment from us. We thank God for His grace, but we understand that He expects us to somehow earn that grace—in other words, there must be something that we can do to pay off the debt we owe to God.
In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”
A Judaizer taught that, in order for a Christian to truly be right with God, he must conform to the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, especially, was promoted as necessary for salvation. Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes first, and then they could come to Christ.
The doctrine of the Judaizers was a mixture of grace (through Christ) and works (through the keeping of the Law). This false doctrine was dealt with in Acts 15 and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians.
At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses.
Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).
There are many groups today with beliefs/practices very similar to the Judaizers of the New Testament. The two most prominent would be the Hebrew Roots Movement and the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to those of the Judaizers whom Paul rebuked in Galatians. A primary focus of the Hebrew Roots Movement is to put followers of Christ back under the bondage of the Old Testament Law.
The Roman Catholic Church teaches a doctrine similar to that of the Judaizers of the New Testament in this way: its doctrine is a mixture of law and grace. At the Council of Trent in the 16th century, the Catholic Church explicitly denied the idea of salvation by faith alone.
Catholics have always held that certain sacraments are necessary for salvation. The issues for the 1st-century Judaizers were circumcision and Sabbath-keeping. The issues for modern-day Catholics are baptism, confession, etc. The works considered necessary may have changed, but both Judaizers and Catholics attempt to merit God’s grace through the performance of ritualistic acts.
First Timothy 4:3 says that, in later times, false teachers will “forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.” This sounds suspiciously close to some of the teachings of Roman Catholicism, which requires priests to be celibate (“forbidding to marry”) and proclaims some food to be off-limits during Lent (“abstaining from certain foods”).
The Judaizers upheld the Mosaic Law as necessary for salvation; Catholics uphold man-made tradition as necessary; both view Christ’s death as being insufficient without the active and continued cooperation of the one being saved.
The Bible is clear that the attempt to add human works to God’s grace overlooks the very meaning of grace, which is “undeserved blessing.” As Paul says, “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). Praise the Lord, “Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).
https://gotquestions.org/Judaizers.html
I do not look at all Hebrew Roots adherents as all the same.
As I have said before - there are many that are of authentic Jewish descent and they like their traditions but they do not say that others need to observe the Sabbath or feasts as in the law of Moses or you are dis-obeying God and sinning. They observe these things to see Christ as the fulfillment of them - not as something they "need" to do now.
This group has excellent teachings on how Christ has fulfilled the Law and show Christ in every part of the Old Testament. Jesus said that all the scriptures speak about Him.
This group of believers are a major blessing to us in the body of Christ and are not Judaizers such as Paul encountered and that are also in the extreme sects of Hebrew Roots that say believers in Christ must "observe the Sabbath and the feasts like in the law of Moses - or they are dis-obeying God and sinning".
Those - run away from as fast as you can! - but do not put all Hebrew Roots people in the same boat as the extreme sects because they are not the same.
' So, which is it for you: use electricity or not?'
my sense is that you want to prove me wrong about what I do on the Sabbath.
I believe we've already agreed about the op. To embark on a new topic- my Sabbath day activities- would not be edifying, imo. It could easily become a discussion that spins on indefinitely, imo.
so how about we leave it at this... I won't allow you to act as judge of my Sabbath activities, and you won't allow me to act as judge of yours... would you be cool with that?
COLOSSIANS 2:16 Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.
my sense is that you want to prove me wrong about what I do on the Sabbath.
I believe we've already agreed about the op. To embark on a new topic- my Sabbath day activities- would not be edifying, imo. It could easily become a discussion that spins on indefinitely, imo.
so how about we leave it at this... I won't allow you to act as judge of my Sabbath activities, and you won't allow me to act as judge of yours... would you be cool with that?
COLOSSIANS 2:16 Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.
There's really no point in focusing on one word and trying to make that one word say something that is against the rest of the passage.
I showed you how the scripture interprets its own self. I could show you again if you want.
It's actually really simple and easy.
2 Peter 3:16-18
[FONT="]16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
In verse 16 Peter says Paul is hard to understand for the unlearned and unstable who wrestle with his words in a way that causes their misunderstanding to be even worse. Such as, thinking that following the law in your own will and strength is the solution to what Paul and Peter are trying to teach.
In verse 17 Peter says to be careful that those who have a bad misunderstanding of Paul don't persuade you to fall from your own steadfastness into their error.
In verse 18 Peter gives the solution to whatever you want to call it, lawlessness - error of the wicked - foolishness- etc... Grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you know what Grace is?
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
So what happens when you place yourself back under law? You're not really under grace anymore if you do that right? You are under one or the other.
Galatians 3:25,12
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
You kind of have to wonder if you were ever not under the law to begin with. Why would you go back? [/FONT]
I showed you how the scripture interprets its own self. I could show you again if you want.
It's actually really simple and easy.
2 Peter 3:16-18
[FONT="]16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
In verse 16 Peter says Paul is hard to understand for the unlearned and unstable who wrestle with his words in a way that causes their misunderstanding to be even worse. Such as, thinking that following the law in your own will and strength is the solution to what Paul and Peter are trying to teach.
In verse 17 Peter says to be careful that those who have a bad misunderstanding of Paul don't persuade you to fall from your own steadfastness into their error.
In verse 18 Peter gives the solution to whatever you want to call it, lawlessness - error of the wicked - foolishness- etc... Grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you know what Grace is?
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
So what happens when you place yourself back under law? You're not really under grace anymore if you do that right? You are under one or the other.
Galatians 3:25,12
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
You kind of have to wonder if you were ever not under the law to begin with. Why would you go back? [/FONT]
The Lord always made atonement available through innocent blood. For 4,000 years it was a mystery, but God used symbols of Christ's blood. Christ is God, God is one, and God is eternal. When Christ solved the mystery, it was not a new God we have.
The Lord created the Jew out of gentiles when almost all of the world had forgotten Him. He created the Jew for the world, and scripture speaks through Jewishness. Most of it is in the Hebrew language, and it has been discovered even the gospels except Luke was first in Hebrew. The Lord used only Jews to give the NT letters to.
These things are done for our sake. Until chapter 15 in Acts it tells about the first church that Christ started and it was composed of mostly Jews. If a gentile entered he became a naturalized Jew.
The Lord created the Jew out of gentiles when almost all of the world had forgotten Him. He created the Jew for the world, and scripture speaks through Jewishness. Most of it is in the Hebrew language, and it has been discovered even the gospels except Luke was first in Hebrew. The Lord used only Jews to give the NT letters to.
These things are done for our sake. Until chapter 15 in Acts it tells about the first church that Christ started and it was composed of mostly Jews. If a gentile entered he became a naturalized Jew.
The question for us is what scripture considers this law that gentile Christians do not have to listen to. If it is the law on Mt Sinai then gentile Christians are told they don't have God the Father. There, the law was given and we are told of a burning bush. When Pentecost gave us the law in our hearts, it came with fire and all nations heard it in their own language. That law is all based on love, and Christ told us love was the law. We are to obey.
But it is God who tells us now it is not required! I spent months solving this mystery. To the apostles God spoke to, the news of the day was that Jews were insisting that gentiles who joined them had to become Jews. They had 18 laws they had to obey, laws that we don't have a copy of but they were called laws of Moses. They were all laws that God gave Jews because, as Paul tells us, they were weak. Like don't eat garbage eating animals to remember to keep your mind clean, etc.
The ones who wrote what God told them never once thought of anyone questioning what the Lord told Moses about the rules of love given on Mt Sinai.
But it is God who tells us now it is not required! I spent months solving this mystery. To the apostles God spoke to, the news of the day was that Jews were insisting that gentiles who joined them had to become Jews. They had 18 laws they had to obey, laws that we don't have a copy of but they were called laws of Moses. They were all laws that God gave Jews because, as Paul tells us, they were weak. Like don't eat garbage eating animals to remember to keep your mind clean, etc.
The ones who wrote what God told them never once thought of anyone questioning what the Lord told Moses about the rules of love given on Mt Sinai.
F
No it was not a new God, it was a new thing that God did. That God does not change refers to His character, to who He is in Himself. Being perfect He has no need to change in who He is. But God can, will, and does change how He does things, His modus operandi. He is in no way limited to acting only as He has always acted in the past.
M
Dan, ultimately the decision.to keep Torah or not is on every individual. As is the decision on how. We are not slaves or automaton. There were four immediate laws given to believers in Acts 15:20. In 15:21 we are told that as new believers hear the Torah read (or read it themselves) they would begin to pick up the rest. As Believers we know His Spirit will convict us as we hear Torah. But we are told it is a learning process. We are not to Judge others on this, but merely share Torah and learn together.
you said:"to me it's obvious that as one's electric meter turns, that's buying electricity just as surely as the numbers turning on the gas pump as one fills a car."
I see how you are reasoning this, I would however point out that this might lead others to watch the clock as a meter. For i stance should we check out of a hotel for Sabbath and then check back in on First Day? We are paying for the day are we not? Even if money does not change hands that day. What about rental cars? Or home rental? Mortgages? Taxes? Why anything that an be pro rated or on a per diem basis by this logic is suspect because you are paying for Sabbath Hours.
Did Our Father expect travelers to check out, return their rental for 24 hours every week? That does not make sense to me... His Torah is beautiful....not burdensome.
The same holds true for this statement:
"I think far fewer workers would be needed if only emergency power was used."
This may not be true. Especially in nuclear plants. But even in standard power plants their are minimum mandated workers for safety sake. And no less workers are required for plant operation unless emergencies happen. In which case, on call employees are called in on Saturday. Also, I do not know anyplace where installs are done on Saturdays... But if I did live in such an area I would not schedule one.
And in a large number of homes heat requires power. Or life is risked. Yahshua told us Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath.
For these reasons and others I believe electricity on the Sabbath not to be in violation of any Sabbath commands. At least without raising hedge laws. Which I believe we are warned against. Sabbath is a blessing not a trial.
You go on:
"it's obvious to me that it's wrong. Should I do it? Shall I also act as judge for other people in this matter?"
If you are convicted not to after studying the details... Then don't.
Easy peasy.
As far as judging your brethren... You should bring it up, not judge. We are to rightly divide scripture to try to come to a consensus. But should we fail to... We fall back on acts 15. Does it break the four immediate laws? If not... It should not divide us. We all sin and fall short of His glory. And until consensus is reached, we cannot be sure who has the proper view.
you said:"to me it's obvious that as one's electric meter turns, that's buying electricity just as surely as the numbers turning on the gas pump as one fills a car."
I see how you are reasoning this, I would however point out that this might lead others to watch the clock as a meter. For i stance should we check out of a hotel for Sabbath and then check back in on First Day? We are paying for the day are we not? Even if money does not change hands that day. What about rental cars? Or home rental? Mortgages? Taxes? Why anything that an be pro rated or on a per diem basis by this logic is suspect because you are paying for Sabbath Hours.
Did Our Father expect travelers to check out, return their rental for 24 hours every week? That does not make sense to me... His Torah is beautiful....not burdensome.
The same holds true for this statement:
"I think far fewer workers would be needed if only emergency power was used."
This may not be true. Especially in nuclear plants. But even in standard power plants their are minimum mandated workers for safety sake. And no less workers are required for plant operation unless emergencies happen. In which case, on call employees are called in on Saturday. Also, I do not know anyplace where installs are done on Saturdays... But if I did live in such an area I would not schedule one.
And in a large number of homes heat requires power. Or life is risked. Yahshua told us Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath.
For these reasons and others I believe electricity on the Sabbath not to be in violation of any Sabbath commands. At least without raising hedge laws. Which I believe we are warned against. Sabbath is a blessing not a trial.
You go on:
"it's obvious to me that it's wrong. Should I do it? Shall I also act as judge for other people in this matter?"
If you are convicted not to after studying the details... Then don't.
Easy peasy.
As far as judging your brethren... You should bring it up, not judge. We are to rightly divide scripture to try to come to a consensus. But should we fail to... We fall back on acts 15. Does it break the four immediate laws? If not... It should not divide us. We all sin and fall short of His glory. And until consensus is reached, we cannot be sure who has the proper view.
M
You say i would rather make up my own definition of the word wicked? But is not that EXACTLY what you are doing when you refuse to honor the mainstream and agreed on definition in all biblical dictionaries and concordances for the word, replacing it with your understanding of the english word used more than 500 years ago. We know meanings shift in our language over time. In my lifetime the word gay has gone from meaning "a carefree joy" to its current primary use describing a sodimite.
You have also said in another post that it is only one word. Yes but that word provides the context for the entire paragraph.
You also keep saying that I seek to put us under the law for salvation. Repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.
I say the torah defines sin... And we should try not to sin. And that means we should try to keep Torah. Not for salvation but to make us a fitting dwelling place for His Spirit.
If you say just having faith will keep us from sin then how do you explain all the people who have faith who sin over and over? Neither keeping Torah nor not keeping Torah will save you. That is the Messiahs gift.
You have also said in another post that it is only one word. Yes but that word provides the context for the entire paragraph.
You also keep saying that I seek to put us under the law for salvation. Repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.
I say the torah defines sin... And we should try not to sin. And that means we should try to keep Torah. Not for salvation but to make us a fitting dwelling place for His Spirit.
If you say just having faith will keep us from sin then how do you explain all the people who have faith who sin over and over? Neither keeping Torah nor not keeping Torah will save you. That is the Messiahs gift.
M
"Paul did not speak against the law.He helped us to understand because Christ did all the work required as a sacrifice as a finished work . we can keep it by guarding it closely with all our heart soul and mind. No man could keep with violating the least of the law."
Yes.... Exactly. We no longer need to give sin offerings. He completed that. And it is impossible for us not to sin.
"No man will be found with a righteousness of their own selves, rather than the righteousness of God. No man can serve two masters.We either serve the Spirit of Christ that indwells the believer of the flesh of unconverted man.*"
Exactly. And as said over and over. Most plainly in Jeremiah and
Hebrews the spirit writes HIS law within us.
"The Judaizers that refuse to acknowledge the first century refomation, do. It is why Christ wrote the book of Hebrews to be against them so that they do not do what they want by glorying in the flesh of the forefathers"
Again. I agree. The laws of the Jews (Talmud) are denounced thoroughly. They after all tried to supplant YHWH'S laws with it. The understanding of man will never overrule YHWH.
BUT. Calling YHWH'S law the law of the Jews makes no sense. The Messiah himself clarified this. As did Paul and John and James and.... Well its plain in the text.
Yes.... Exactly. We no longer need to give sin offerings. He completed that. And it is impossible for us not to sin.
"No man will be found with a righteousness of their own selves, rather than the righteousness of God. No man can serve two masters.We either serve the Spirit of Christ that indwells the believer of the flesh of unconverted man.*"
Exactly. And as said over and over. Most plainly in Jeremiah and
Hebrews the spirit writes HIS law within us.
"The Judaizers that refuse to acknowledge the first century refomation, do. It is why Christ wrote the book of Hebrews to be against them so that they do not do what they want by glorying in the flesh of the forefathers"
Again. I agree. The laws of the Jews (Talmud) are denounced thoroughly. They after all tried to supplant YHWH'S laws with it. The understanding of man will never overrule YHWH.
BUT. Calling YHWH'S law the law of the Jews makes no sense. The Messiah himself clarified this. As did Paul and John and James and.... Well its plain in the text.
God told us that when the Holy Spirit was given to all who would receive it that we no longer required the physical helps given us to obey, things like circumcision and diet. The principles of God remained the same for we are to obey what these things pointed to. As far as diet, now we are to know to keep away from unclean things through the Holy Spirit within us, not from the symbol of this by restricting our diet.
Obeying that God told us we must celebrate His plan of redemption for us through the feasts is something God did and God didn't change His mind about that. It would take a fundamental change in God to say to us "Do this through all generations" and then tell us He changed His mind. The idea some have that God speaks only to Jews, that God is a God of the Jews and not us does not hold up in scripture. In the OT we are spoken of as "strangers". There is verse after verse about us being included if we want to be. Jews were told to stay away from pagan ways and from uncleanliness, but to be kind to and accepting of strangers. Peter and Paul made it clear that the gospel was for us, and the gospel is about accepting God.
Obeying that God told us we must celebrate His plan of redemption for us through the feasts is something God did and God didn't change His mind about that. It would take a fundamental change in God to say to us "Do this through all generations" and then tell us He changed His mind. The idea some have that God speaks only to Jews, that God is a God of the Jews and not us does not hold up in scripture. In the OT we are spoken of as "strangers". There is verse after verse about us being included if we want to be. Jews were told to stay away from pagan ways and from uncleanliness, but to be kind to and accepting of strangers. Peter and Paul made it clear that the gospel was for us, and the gospel is about accepting God.
F
The New Covenant is an entirely new "principle"....based in better things. Jesus, who is the better revelation of God to men, better than the prophets, and better than the angels ( just to name a few). The New is based in the Grace of God embodied in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, who is better in all ways.
Even that obedience you are concerned about is new under the New. In the New Covenant obedience takes on a radical new meaning....the "Word" to be heard and obeyed is a Person, the living Lord Jesus Christ. It is not Law-based obedience that focuses on keeping rules and regulations, as the old covenant concept did. That kind of “obedience” is merely external compliance, while the heart remains unchanged and defiant. What God desires for us is obedience born out of our love for Him as a response to His love for us. The obedience that listens under God for His direction and gladly follows where He is leading.
Even that obedience you are concerned about is new under the New. In the New Covenant obedience takes on a radical new meaning....the "Word" to be heard and obeyed is a Person, the living Lord Jesus Christ. It is not Law-based obedience that focuses on keeping rules and regulations, as the old covenant concept did. That kind of “obedience” is merely external compliance, while the heart remains unchanged and defiant. What God desires for us is obedience born out of our love for Him as a response to His love for us. The obedience that listens under God for His direction and gladly follows where He is leading.
You are busy with blasphemy because you are advocating a changing God in the New Covenant.......
Grace was there since day 1
how can you be so blind brother?
Grace was there since day 1
how can you be so blind brother?
God already said how He was going to change His Relation to His People and why.
Perhaps "grace" was there in the fact that the Lord brought in the sacrifices to cover the people because He knew none of them could actually keep the law - the way that it really was intended. Jesus elevated the law to show those that think they could do the law so that the self-righteous would know that they needed a Savior.
Perhaps this is the "grace" being shown to them. There is no doubt in my mind that the law of Moses is a covenant of - "you do in order to get." It is all conditional on what the Israelites did or did not do.
The New Covenant is radically different from the Old Covenant because it is all based on what Christ has done and we enter into His life by grace through faith in Him alone. His life in us transforms us to walk in love and thus fulfill all the intent of the law.
Perhaps this is the "grace" being shown to them. There is no doubt in my mind that the law of Moses is a covenant of - "you do in order to get." It is all conditional on what the Israelites did or did not do.
The New Covenant is radically different from the Old Covenant because it is all based on what Christ has done and we enter into His life by grace through faith in Him alone. His life in us transforms us to walk in love and thus fulfill all the intent of the law.
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Grace has always been there.
The law was instituted as a tutor. to lead prepare them for their coming messiah, And to let them know how guilty they were. so they would see the messiah and their need of him when he came.
Most of Israel completely misinterpreted the law, and what it was for.. Which is why it because a religion, and not tool used for Gods purposes.
The law was instituted as a tutor. to lead prepare them for their coming messiah, And to let them know how guilty they were. so they would see the messiah and their need of him when he came.
Most of Israel completely misinterpreted the law, and what it was for.. Which is why it because a religion, and not tool used for Gods purposes.