problem related to praying in tongues

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TheLearner

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Not really going to get into this thread much - as a linguist, I have a very strong view of 'tongues-speech', and there are other threads where I go into it in some detail.

But just just something to ponder....in the entire Pentecost narrative, not one language is ever referenced by name. The so-called "list of Nations" in vv. 9-11 is just that; a list of geographical places; not a list of languages.
4 They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they began to speak different languages. The Holy Spirit was giving them the power to do this.
5 There were some godly Jews in Jerusalem at this time. They were from every country in the world. 6 A large crowd came together because they heard the noise. They were surprised because, as the apostles were speaking, everyone heard in their own language.
7 They were all amazed at this. They did not understand how the apostles could do this. They said, “Look! These men we hear speaking are all from Galilee.[a] 8 But we hear them in our own languages. How is this possible? We are from all these different places: 9 Parthia, Media, Elam, Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, the areas of Libya near the city of Cyrene, Rome, 11 Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others have changed their religion to worship God like Jews. We are from these different countries, but we can hear these men in our own languages! We can all understand the great things they are saying about God.”
 

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Given the list of nations, we know that the Jews gathered in Jerusalem for Pentecost came from one of three places Judea, the Western Diaspora, and the Eastern Diaspora. You have to ask yourself, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my native language - the language "wherein I was born", the language of hearth and home? The answer may surprise you.
Koine Greek was the common language. Everyone spoke Greek.
 

hornetguy

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We are from these different countries, but we can hear these men in our own languages! We can all understand the great things they are saying about God.”
Yep.... several different languages..... just a brief goober search showed that the 1st century Persians spoke "ancient Persian".... and the Medes spoke "Median", which was an old Iranian dialect.. the Phrygians spoke the "Phrygian language", which was an Indo-European language....
That's three different languages right there, not even counting Aramaic, Greek or Hebrew.... or any of the other locales mentioned in scripture....
 

hornetguy

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You have to ask yourself, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my native language - the language "wherein I was born"
So you are saying that the displaced Jews still spoke their "birth tongue" exclusively, even after living for 500 years in another land?
To quote Al..... "I don't think so, Tim".....

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wrong....
In the Judea area in the 1st century, Aramaic was the common language, which is what Jesus and the apostles undoubtedly spoke.
I am not always correct but never wrong.
 

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wrong....
In the Judea area in the 1st century, Aramaic was the common language, which is what Jesus and the apostles undoubtedly spoke.
After the conquests of Alexander the Great in late 4th century BCE, Koine Greek had become a shared language around the eastern Mediterranean and diplomatic communications in the East, even beyond the borders of the Empire. The international use of Greek was one condition that enabled the spread of Christianity, as indicated for example by the choice of Greek as the language of the New Testament in the Bible (wikipedia.languages of the Roman Empire)
 

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So if someone prays in say Greek or something, and a German like yourself does not understand it, does it somehow negate that prayer?

There are such big holes in constantly saying what you say above, that a universe could squeeze through :giggle:
Thats not the point. I have no problems if people pray in an different language which I dont understand.
I have Problem with people which teaches that every Christian can get the gift of speaking in tongues, while the bible teaches that this is not so.
 

hornetguy

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Aramaic dialects survived into Roman times, however, particularly in Palestine and Syria. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the language of the Jews as early as the 6th century BCE. Certain portions of the Bible—i.e., the books of Daniel and Ezra—are written in Aramaic, as are the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmuds. Among the Jews, Aramaic was used by the common people, while Hebrew remained the language of religion and government and of the upper class. Jesus and the Apostles are believed to have spoken Aramaic, and Aramaic-language translations (Targums) of the Old Testament circulated. Aramaic continued in wide use until about 650 CE, when it was supplanted by Arabic.

This was written and fact checked by the authors of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
 

notmyown

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Aramaic dialects survived into Roman times, however, particularly in Palestine and Syria. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the language of the Jews as early as the 6th century BCE. Certain portions of the Bible—i.e., the books of Daniel and Ezra—are written in Aramaic, as are the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmuds. Among the Jews, Aramaic was used by the common people, while Hebrew remained the language of religion and government and of the upper class. Jesus and the Apostles are believed to have spoken Aramaic, and Aramaic-language translations (Targums) of the Old Testament circulated. Aramaic continued in wide use until about 650 CE, when it was supplanted by Arabic.

This was written and fact checked by the authors of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
i'd like to suggest Britannica get better fact checkers. :sneaky:

PARTS of Ezra and Daniel are in Aramaic; not the whole books. if it would be helpful, i can dig up my notes on those sermon series and give Britannica more info ;)
 

hornetguy

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i'd like to suggest Britannica get better fact checkers. :sneaky:

PARTS of Ezra and Daniel are in Aramaic; not the whole books. if it would be helpful, i can dig up my notes on those sermon series and give Britannica more info ;)
Well, the point I was trying to make was that it wasn't Greek. I know that parts of the OT were written in Aramaic....
Most scholars have agreed that Jesus and his disciples most likely spoke Aramaic. I would imagine that some of them understood Greek as well.... especially Luke.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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I probably won't ponder too long on that....
Chuckle!!! Me either. The tread title intimates that there are "Problems" about "tongues", when there's really NO PROBLEM AT ALL. If the Holy Spirit gives you "tongues", then just SPEAK THEM. Problem solved. All the rest is nothing but "Theology".