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1975 for me.


Because people have free will. God does not force anyone to speak in tongues, nor will He force the person to interpret. People need to be taught, which Paul was doing in his epistle.


Some legitimate languages are very simple.


It's the PERSON speaking in tongues to God.

1 Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.


Scripture?


Again, is there a scripture that says when a person speaks in tongues in the church it is the Holy Spirit speaking TO the church? 1 Cor 14:2 explicitly states that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking TO God.

My church used to believe as you do, that prophecy and interpretation of tongues was essentially the same thing: God speaking to the church. But there is no verse that says when a person speaks in tongues it is God speaking to the church. It's not there. 1 Cor 14:2 says that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking to God. Acts 2:11 says that the apostles were speaking the wonderful works of God. Acts 10:46 says that Cornelius and his family were magnifying God. 1 Cor 14:17 says that when a person speaks in tongues he is giving thanks well. If those are the things that the Bible says speaking in tongues is, then the interpretation of tongues should reflect that.


I believe those two manifestations are God giving you information (knowledge) and what to do with it (wisdom) in situations that you wouldn't know anything about by your five senses. It's revelation from God.


Sometimes it works, sometimes if we're not careful it turns into hacking each other up. :)

you guys are old as dirt 1982 :)
 
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i truly wish i had never discovered a mobile device.
i was born when only televisions, radios, and walkie talkies/cb's existed.
we were so excited to go to Church.
technology happened, the world went straight to hell within 5 years and have been drowning ever since.
 

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What I believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for as told to us in 1cor chapters 12 through 14 and with what Jesus said in John 14 through 16 chapters

The Holy Spirit is for us, The Believer one who is saved:

  • To be a witness. Acts 1:8 Jesus speaking
  • lead us and guide us into all Truth
  • Bring into remembrance all Jesus said
  • gifts are given to the Body for edification, comfort, and teaching
  • for power evangelism, as shown in the Book of Acts
The operation of Tongues and interpretation is God speaking to the Body and to the person to build them up. That being said, the Primary way is HIS word. Therefore, because God's word is Perfect and man is not, WE judge what we believe God is SAYING through the gifts of the Spirit (tongues and interpretation & Prophesying) In light of the word of God.


If what was given in tongues and interpretation is not in line with the word of God, it is to be rejected outright. One must be able to

  • discern
  • judge by the word of God
  • be confirmed by the mouth of two or three witnesses
  • the end result must comfort, edify, exhort
  • Bring Glory to God and Speak of Jesus.
all valid to a good sound belief 😊

Theres the father the son and the holy spirit.

We know that it's the father will to draw people to his son.

Are we going to believe the father no longer speaks directly to us.

As he has such a strong will.

Or are we going to forget this, because our direct communication is through the son.

I believe the father still loves to talk to us directly.

Only I can't boast of my infirmities on this, I can say that with all honesty when the father speaks through a person.

Oh boy do you listen, and not only that oh boy do you know it's a father.

Not only that every bad thought you have is brought to service and cast out and you know what you must do, and I playin with ya either.

There seems be no answer yet in regards to 3000 Christians repenting after speaking in tounges 🤔

Maybe you can help with that.
 

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all valid to a good sound belief 😊

Theres the father the son and the holy spirit.

We know that it's the father will to draw people to his son.

Are we going to believe the father no longer speaks directly to us.

As he has such a strong will.

Or are we going to forget this, because our direct communication is through the son.

I believe the father still loves to talk to us directly.

Only I can't boast of my infirmities on this, I can say that with all honesty when the father speaks through a person.

Oh boy do you listen, and not only that oh boy do you know it's a father.

Not only that every bad thought you have is brought to service and cast out and you know what you must do, and I playin with ya either.

There seems be no answer yet in regards to 3000 Christians repenting after speaking in tounges 🤔

Maybe you can help with that.

Did I say the Father doesn't speak to us?

God speaks, for he is the "Speaking God," and there is no other. Yet He has Declared not I. God said " I have placed MY word above My name. " The Father doesn't hear anyone who comes to him in the Authority of Christ. It is in HIS name we must even ask or by Jesus' authority. That is why we can come boldly because it is the blood of Jesus who allows us to enter into the presence of a Holy God.


The answer to your last qestion is found in Chapters 2 and 3 of Acts.
 

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in order to ware a kilt you have to set your blushes a side and be a man. 😊

Today men in dresses are taking on a whole new meaning, And I shall not be named among them. But you are free to do what you like
 

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Today men in dresses are taking on a whole new meaning, And I shall not be named among them. But you are free to do what you like
I've never wore one lol.
But I thought you like one seeing as you keep getting so puffed up. 😋.

Did I say the Father doesn't speak to us?

God speaks, for he is the "Speaking God," and there is no other. Yet He has Declared not I. God said " I have placed MY word above My name. " The Father doesn't hear anyone who comes to him in the Authority of Christ. It is in HIS name we must even ask or by Jesus' authority. That is why we can come boldly because it is the blood of Jesus who allows us to enter into the presence of a Holy God.


The answer to your last qestion is found in Chapters 2 and 3 of Acts.
maybe you could explain what you think my question is.

I'm asking did the gift of tounges bring repentance in acts 2.

Yes or no.

Just want to know your Diserment on this.
 

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Did I say the Father doesn't speak to us?

God speaks, for he is the "Speaking God," and there is no other. Yet He has Declared not I. God said " I have placed MY word above My name. " The Father doesn't hear anyone who comes to him in the Authority of Christ. It is in HIS name we must even ask or by Jesus' authority. That is why we can come boldly because it is the blood of Jesus who allows us to enter into the presence of a Holy God.


The answer to your last qestion is found in Chapters 2 and 3 of Acts.
This should be interpreted as the son gives us direct access to the father.
 
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The Interpretation is in the application you're making, and the limitations your placing on it.
1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1 Cor 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

...I just believe what they say.
 
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I'm asking did the gift of tounges bring repentance in acts 2.

Yes or no.

Just want to know your Diserment on this.
NO!
it was the Evidence they not just repented but were 100% filled with the Holy Spirit Saved.
 

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NO!
it was the Evidence they not just repented but were 100% filled with the Holy Spirit Saved.
that's your view.

This is how I read it.

3000 Galileans spoke in tounges, then Peter interpreted it and said you all need to know what the lord has said.

Note peter says God has made Jesus the Messiah.
This was the interpretation of the tounges.

Then he tells them you must repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus in order to recieve the Gift of the holy spirit.

Read for yourself

‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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Peter interpreted the tounges. None of the Galileans did.

The Galileans where given Judgment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, because they said what should we do.

When they where told God has made Jesus the Messiah.
 
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that's your view.

This is how I read it.

3000 Galileans spoke in tounges, then Peter interpreted it and said you all need to know what the lord has said.

Note peter says God has made Jesus the Messiah.
This was the interpretation of the tounges.

Then he tells them you must repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus in order to recieve the Gift of the holy spirit.

Read for yourself

‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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Peter interpreted the tounges. None of the Galileans did.

The Galileans where given Judgment for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, because they said what should we do.

When they where told God has made Jesus the Messiah.
they Spoke in Tongues and he prophesied the prophet Joel.

then explained how they could have same thing.
 
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This is how I read it.

3000 Galileans spoke in tounges, then Peter interpreted it and said you all need to know what the lord has said.
How can you possibly read it that way?

The Bible does not say that 3000 Galileans spoke in tongues, nor does it say that Peter interpreted it, nor does it say that Peter said "you need to know what the Lord has said."

The 12 apostles spoke in tongues. When they were done, Peter stood up and essentially preached a sermon.
 

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they Spoke in Tongues and he prophesied the prophet.

then explained how they could have same thing.
you obviously are not paying attention to the whole interpretation from Peter.

The Galileans where clueless to the fact the gift of tounges that was spoken was also about Judgement that made them repent in order to recieve the holy spirit , that Peter interpreted.

you can't deny this.

it right there in acts 2.
 

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How can you possibly read it that way?

The Bible does not say that 3000 Galileans spoke in tongues, nor does it say that Peter interpreted it, nor does it say that Peter said "you need to know what the Lord has said."

The 12 apostles spoke in tongues. When they were done, Peter stood up and essentially preached a sermon.
what Peter never interpreted the tounges, ?
What hymn book are you singing from