Proof Jesus was God

[Mem]

It does not seem right to me to just ban him because he does not believe in the deity of Christ and says so. In his opinion, worshipping Jesus is idolality because he believes Jesus is not God. This is a logical conclusion for someone who does not believe in the deity of Christ. If you know and believe Jesus is God, why take offense? It seems to me that banning people for their beliefs or for offending people because they say something unchristian, gives a poor reflection on Christians.

It is robbing God of due credit to deny that He is God. And just as much as false witness would be harmful to both the offended and offender as well as those that hear it, allowing robbery to continue hurts not only the robbed, but especially the robber and those considering it.

 

[Paisley_buddie]

If scripture like john1 can't win you over then just need to wait for the millenial reign of christ.

 

[mj007]

Well it shows up the hypocrisy a lot of Christians have. It's a legitimate questioning of Christian belief and where the belief comes from.

I do have issue with the way people put Jesus on a pedestal. What I mean is, Jesus said many things in regards to his equality to us, and what we can achieve, to be like him, do the things he can, and to communicate with God. IS THAT INCORRECT? But when people put Jesus on a pedestal as a superior being, as if he floated down from the sky, rather than being born man, but being a divine man, one with God, they always say that there is no point trying to be like Christ because he is perfect and they are not.

It's not about that, it's about trying to be more Christ-like, its about being more perfect as your father in heaven is perfect, because this pulls you in the direction of God rather than away from God.

And when people put Jesus on a pedestal, they tend to be protective of him, as if he needs protecting? As if they are the angels he requires to protect him? Wolves in sheep's clothing most often are these type. Have a look at their other responses on other threads.

If anything, the good that comes from someone questioning belief, is people thinking about what they really believe in, and maybe holding on to that more, and putting it out there.

Anyone is allowed to question anything, and I have no quarrel with someone's different point of view, unless they are aggressive, or malicious, eg. try to get people banned. This is very aggressive, and having seen many of these particular persons responses to people on this site, probably with malicious intent built into it, to pull the wool over YOUR eyes.

It does not seem right to me to just ban him because he does not believe in the deity of Christ and says so. In his opinion, worshipping Jesus is idolality because he believes Jesus is not God. This is a logical conclusion for someone who does not believe in the deity of Christ. If you know and believe Jesus is God, why take offense? It seems to me that banning people for their beliefs or for offending people because they say something unchristian, gives a poor reflection on Christians.

 

[Dan58]

Some folks come to a Christian forum for answers, they may struggle with unbelief. I think Christ would answer their questions instead of sending them away (banning them). I remember years ago, I went to a church and at the end of the service, I told the minister I had no faith and probably shouldn't be there. He replied, "Nonsense, you must have a little belief or you wouldn't have come in the first place".

There are some who come here looking for answers, they may be unbelievers, but belief starts with wondering, so I don't think we should ban people at level one when answering questions may get them to level two.. jmo

 

[loveme1]

Is the man banned? Not showing on his tag.

 

[Meggido]

Well it shows up the hypocrisy a lot of Christians have. It's a legitimate questioning of Christian belief and where the belief comes from.

I do have issue with the way people put Jesus on a pedestal. What I mean is, Jesus said many things in regards to his equality to us, and what we can achieve, to be like him, do the things he can, and to communicate with God. IS THAT INCORRECT? But when people put Jesus on a pedestal as a superior being, as if he floated down from the sky, rather than being born man, but being a divine man, one with God, they always say that there is no point trying to be like Christ because he is perfect and they are not.

It's not about that, it's about trying to be more Christ-like, its about being more perfect as your father in heaven is perfect, because this pulls you in the direction of God rather than away from God.

And when people put Jesus on a pedestal, they tend to be protective of him, as if he needs protecting? As if they are the angels he requires to protect him? Wolves in sheep's clothing most often are these type. Have a look at their other responses on other threads.

If anything, the good that comes from someone questioning belief, is people thinking about what they really believe in, and maybe holding on to that more, and putting it out there.

Anyone is allowed to question anything, and I have no quarrel with someone's different point of view, unless they are aggressive, or malicious, eg. try to get people banned. This is very aggressive, and having seen many of these particular persons responses to people on this site, probably with malicious intent built into it, to pull the wool over YOUR eyes.

This poster was not doing any of this...his replies showed his intent...to deceive, fight and deny....

Your explanation about Jesus is something I agree with...the other guy was picking a fight....

The one main pedestal we need to take Jesus off of is the cross.....he is not on the cross and he is not in the tomb....

 

[mj007]

I'm on about a metaphorical pedestal. A bit like people put celebrities on a metaphorical pedestal. It's a human thing, it's a flesh thing, it's what people do when someone really inspires them, or empowers them, or lifts them up. But in doing that they become blinded.

I'll give you an extreme example of this. Someone is ill, and you say why don't you go see a doctor? Maybe I can give you something that will help? Instead they reject it and say 'only Jesus can heal me'. This is blindness. It is a rejection of God even if that person thinks God loves them so much because they worship/adore/revere Jesus. It is a rejection of God, because God is everywhere. God is in the doctor who helps others, God is in the stranger who gives you helpful advice, God is in the painful circumstance you were in. God is everywhere. God is omnipotent, omniscient.

And there are many like this, to a lesser degree. They think they know Jesus well, because they read the scriptures inside out, because they go to Church, or because they are protective about 'belief systems'. But do they ever work on their love for others, or for themselves, because it is in doing so, that you are loving God. Loving God and not others, or not yourself is a rejection of God (sin). It is one of the main sins where people fall short. Remember to be loving rather than intelligent. Intelligence is God's area of expertise, not a mans mind.

This poster was not doing any of this...his replies showed his intent...to deceive, fight and deny....

Your explanation about Jesus is something I agree with...the other guy was picking a fight....

The one main pedestal we need to take Jesus off of is the cross.....he is not on the cross and he is not in the tomb....

 

[Meggido]

I'm on about a metaphorical pedestal. A bit like people put celebrities on a metaphorical pedestal. It's a human thing, it's a flesh thing, it's what people do when someone really inspires them, or empowers them, or lifts them up. But in doing that they become blinded.

I'll give you an extreme example of this. Someone is ill, and you say why don't you go see a doctor? Maybe I can give you something that will help? Instead they reject it and say 'only Jesus can heal me'. This is blindness. It is a rejection of God even if that person thinks God loves them so much because they worship/adore/revere Jesus. It is a rejection of God, because God is everywhere. God is in the doctor who helps others, God is in the stranger who gives you helpful advice, God is in the painful circumstance you were in. God is everywhere. God is omnipotent, omniscient.

And there are many like this, to a lesser degree. They think they know Jesus well, because they read the scriptures inside out, because they go to Church, or because they are protective about 'belief systems'. But do they ever work on their love for others, or for themselves, because it is in doing so, that you are loving God. Loving God and not others, or not yourself is a rejection of God (sin). It is one of the main sins where people fall short. Remember to be loving rather than intelligent. Intelligence is God's area of expertise, not a mans mind.

But we have the mind of Christ....right? If we we have the mind of Christ we do Christ like things, and we do it because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit...being Christ minded also means we are given discernment and wisdom from above...heavenly wisdom, not sensual wisdom...

Has it ever dawned on you that for most people to relate to God, they have to do it through Jesus Christ?

 

[kaylagrl]

Please go and learn what logical fallacies are all about. You have employed several here.

Your rules don't limit, encompass, or define TRUTH. They only define what you are willing to accept. Your rules are akin to saying, "Please verbally define "air" without using any."

Nobody has any obligation to play your game. This is called a "burden of proof reversal" and is not valid. If you want to make an assertion, back it up, and invite feedback, go ahead. All you are doing presently is creating a framework whereby your rejection of Jesus as God can be justified (in your mind). If you were truly interested in learning the truth, you would be open to it coming from many sources and through many media.

Your requirement that we quote Jesus directly rules out any valid answer because all we have are quotations of Jesus from other people. Jesus didn't write any books.

Whether or not anyone can meet your ridiculous criteria has little bearing on the truth of the matter. You have defined Jesus for yourself, and despite your claims to the contrary, you have not demonstrated a willingness to learn. When you are truly open to learning, let us know... if you manage not to get yourself banned before then.

I think the nail was just hit on the head. The OP wants only proof he will accept that lines up with his flawed belief system.Anything outside his small box will be rejected.

 

[kaylagrl]

It does not seem right to me to just ban him because he does not believe in the deity of Christ and says so. In his opinion, worshipping Jesus is idolality because he believes Jesus is not God. This is a logical conclusion for someone who does not believe in the deity of Christ. If you know and believe Jesus is God, why take offense? It seems to me that banning people for their beliefs or for offending people because they say something unchristian, gives a poor reflection on Christians.

Well this is Christian Chat,its not called Religious Chat. Therefore Christian principles are what are discussed here.The owner has the right to stipulations. If someone comes and doesn't keep to those rules,the fault is their own.

 

[kaylagrl]

Well it shows up the hypocrisy a lot of Christians have. It's a legitimate questioning of Christian belief and where the belief comes from.

I do have issue with the way people put Jesus on a pedestal. What I mean is, Jesus said many things in regards to his equality to us, and what we can achieve, to be like him, do the things he can, and to communicate with God. IS THAT INCORRECT? But when people put Jesus on a pedestal as a superior being, as if he floated down from the sky, rather than being born man, but being a divine man, one with God, they always say that there is no point trying to be like Christ because he is perfect and they are not.

It's not about that, it's about trying to be more Christ-like, its about being more perfect as your father in heaven is perfect, because this pulls you in the direction of God rather than away from God.

And when people put Jesus on a pedestal, they tend to be protective of him, as if he needs protecting? As if they are the angels he requires to protect him? Wolves in sheep's clothing most often are these type. Have a look at their other responses on other threads.

If anything, the good that comes from someone questioning belief, is people thinking about what they really believe in, and maybe holding on to that more, and putting it out there.

Anyone is allowed to question anything, and I have no quarrel with someone's different point of view, unless they are aggressive, or malicious, eg. try to get people banned. This is very aggressive, and having seen many of these particular persons responses to people on this site, probably with malicious intent built into it, to pull the wool over YOUR eyes.

I'm sorry,I've never heard anything so strange. Put Jesus on a pedestal? Jesus belongs in the highest place,the same as the Father. He is superior. No,He does not need defending in so much as you mean it. But He deserves all honor.

John said "He is the one who comes after me, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”


So the attitude about not putting Jesus on a pedestal is quite foreign to me. He is Holy and we are to approach Him with the reverence He is due.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

I'm sorry,I've never heard anything so strange. Put Jesus on a pedestal? Jesus belongs in the highest place,the same as the Father. He is superior. No,He does not need defending in so much as you mean it. But He deserves all honor.

John said "He is the one who comes after me, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”


So the attitude about not putting Jesus on a pedestal is quite foreign to me. He is Holy and we are to approach Him with the reverence He is due.

Yeah, that phrase hit my ear wrong too. It should be Jesus on the pedestal. Nobody can wrongly put him there. I don't praise my equals.

 

[preacher4truth]

It does not seem right to me to just ban him because he does not believe in the deity of Christ and says so. In his opinion, worshipping Jesus is idolality because he believes Jesus is not God. This is a logical conclusion for someone who does not believe in the deity of Christ. If you know and believe Jesus is God, why take offense? It seems to me that banning people for their beliefs or for offending people because they say something unchristian, gives a poor reflection on Christians.

So, your standard isn't biblical?

Gotcha.

Avoiding those who teach false doctrine contrary to Scripture, avoiding those who sow discord &c isn't being "Christian" in your book, although it is a Biblical mandate to be followed? That's a poor reflection on Christians, following Christ and His biblical teachings?

You just get to make up your own form of what you call christianity? Deity is also up for grabs, and those who believe this truth are just supposed to let others infiltrate and continue their spread of heresy?

Looks like you need to get a grip on biblical Christianity and do some real Bible reading, you're teachings are certainly not reflective of sound Biblical doctrine. More like politically correct "christianity".

And spare us the "love" excuse, obeying Scripture and Christ here is real Biblical love.

 

[preacher4truth]

Thanks to the rest here who are standing against this error and attack on Christ.

Those who are cowering and compromising need to be held accountable. No wonder our "churches" are in such disorder.

 

[kaijo]

I have a sincere question; my tone is neutral and while I honestly respect your right to your belief (as this is a feature of creation and every man and woman has his/her own free will to inquire as they choose) I am genuinely interested if there is anyone who can provide any sort of proof that Jesus was God.

Before you reply, please try to observe (what I feel to be) are some "given" rules:

1. You may only quote Jesus directly; not someone describing Jesus.
2. It must be unambiguous (not your own interpretation; plain language)

I feel this is a problem... if you Truly wish to expand your "understanding".

Remember it says in Mark 4:34 .. " [FONT=&quot]But without a parable He did not speak to them...."

[/FONT]So if u just want quotes from the bible... then you will only aquire a "bottom" level of understanding...

Then how will you be able to trust anyone elses explanation?

Well... the Sheep know His Voice.... so ....if u truly know Him... you will be able to determine the Truth from lies.

 

[kaylagrl]

Yeah, that phrase hit my ear wrong too. It should be Jesus on the pedestal. Nobody can wrongly put him there. I don't praise my equals.

Maybe Im not understanding what he is saying.But they way I read it,its totally wrong. You make a good point.Well said MM.

 

[kaylagrl]

Thanks to the rest here who are standing against this error and attack on Christ.

Those who are cowering and compromising need to be held accountable. No wonder our "churches" are in such disorder.

We dont always agree,but we sure do on this one.

 

[CherieR]

My point is that banning him for expressing what he believes is likely going to drive him further away from faith in Christ. I believe that it just leaves a bad impression to unbeliever's of the Christian faith.

 

[posthuman]

I have a sincere question; my tone is neutral and while I honestly respect your right to your belief (as this is a feature of creation and every man and woman has his/her own free will to inquire as they choose) I am genuinely interested if there is anyone who can provide any sort of proof that Jesus was God.

first of all,

what the heck do you mean "was" God?

present tense, dude. He lives. let's learn to use the right language, so we don't lie unintended. there is no such thing as "used to be God" -- the Creator of time isn't bound by time.

second --

i guess you haven't seen this thread:

Christ is God

please have a nice perusal.

 

[Meggido]

My point is that banning him for expressing what he believes is likely going to drive him further away from faith in Christ. I believe that it just leaves a bad impression to unbeliever's of the Christian faith.

Did Jesus chase after everyone?