Prophets Amongst Us

[7seasrekeyed]

Is the NAR movement the same people that claim God is getting ready to do a new thing?

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, to exhort you, that ye should earnestly contend for the maintenance of the faith, which was once given unto the Saints​. Jude 3

there are all kinds of 'new things' going on in the NAR movement...try googling it for info...it has big roots that go way back and the foundation was false so anything built on that is going to be false also

I could mention specific churches that are deep into this, but a search should suffice

you just should never put personal experience, or spiritual experiences over the word...but yet this goes on in ways that should make a sensible person's hair stand on end

 

[miknik5]

I know that scripture is quoted often by many people who apply it to EVERYONE. Not that The Lord can't and doesn't use it on a personal level sometimes but it really is a very specific Messianic prophecy about the unique conception of Jesus.
No one else was ever "formed in their mother's womb" THAT way. Nor ever will be again. Formed, not through a normal pregnancy brought about by a man and a woman. Not an insemination. He was unique, and he existed before he was conceived. That is why it's worded like that. It's not really a blanket scripture that can applied in the same way to everyone.

Please don't anyone jump down my throat and accuse me of trying to justify abortion. I am NOT doing that. I am not arguing a case for abortion.

Having said that we do not know at what point The Lord places the spirit into a new child.
I know some people think it is at the point of conception but I don't think that is provable. We also do not know if human spirits are created BEFORE conception. In the case of Jesus we do.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”


This scripture is about Jesus. A prophet to the nations. Not every prophet.

A woman (or young girl) who is brutally gang-raped can conceive from the rapist. Would that be God's doing? Would that be God "forming someone in the womb"? I don't think so and I don't think prophets are being killed off in abortion clinics.

Any child conceived is by GOD’s will and design. Even when a woman raped conceives, that child has not been overlooked by GOD


we must be very careful not to suggest to the ignorant that abortion is okay in certain cases

even in the case of abortion due to the possibility of harm to the mother, that abortion is also not a thoughtless detached act


There is a heart response in the person whose conscience is not seared

 

[miknik5]

Remember in the case of certain women in the bible

it was written GOD remembered Hannah, Sarah, and she conceived


so GOD knows and blesses or closes the womb of all women whom HE chooses to bless or close the womb to bringing forth a child into the world

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I would have to disagree with you on this one. It does matter, because this gift of prophesy covers most of the speaking gifts.

Those on the day of Pentecost were speaking in the native languages of the Jews from other countries, speaking of the wonderful works of God.

That was the gift of prophecy, not tongues, because Peter explained it to be a fulfillment of the prophet Joel.

IMO, ALL of God's people should be exercising this gift at one time or another.

It entails:
1. Speaking for God
2. Dreams
3. visions

The prophets also taught & preached to the people.

So yeah, it matters, otherwise Satan wouldn't wouldn't be copying this gift so heavily.

no problem on disagreeing

however, I say what I do, not because I don't agree with the basics, but because the way the gifts are 'used' these days, is akin to someone thinking they are saved because they went to the front of a church, repeated a prayer and then went and lived their life any ole way they wanted with no teaching or further instruction

the gifts were never meant to create mega churches where a man up front is almost worshiped in place of God not to mention the entire culture of Christian worship entertainment which goes along with it

of course it matters. I'm not sure I agree with you re Pentecost

 

[miknik5]

There should be no confusion that CHRIST alone is THE SON of GOD who came forth from
GOD and into the world

and that Mary conceived because the HOLY SPIRIT overshadowed her which is why CHRIST alone is THE ONE who came forth from GOD and HOLY

 

[Shamah]

Any who point people to Yahshua/Jesus and His teachings are in that right, any that do not are false.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Unless one can rightly say .. "thus saith the Lord" when they're proclaiming the divinely inspired message given by God, they are no prophet at all. To do so carries grave risk and warning. Prophets were God's chosen messengers of a specific word directly from God Himself. Giving advice or wise counsel to another is something entirely different from the words and practice of a true prophet of old.

not so plainguy

OT prophets were of the 'thus saith the Lord variety' and the false prophets were basically those who declared a false peace...much like today although we have the 'apocalypse a minute variety also with the start of each new year bringing horrible disasters often to the US' I guess they may be on target one day just by sheer numbers of prophecies

have you studied the NT definition? let the prophets speak two or three? but I would agree with speak when he says this gift is also to bring clarity to the word, but again, and I am prob boring some by now, I will add there are plenty of very strange so called interpretations of scripture given by so called bumper crop prophets who have been to prophet school so of course they must know what they are doing

a prophet of old is not what a NT prophet is generally speaking as defined by the NT itself

 

[Depleted]

God has made prophets among us to convey His presence.

Everyone who is born is potentially a prophet. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” What greater passage in the Bible is there, to make the case against abortion? For we don’t know whom God designated to be a prophet, among those who are in a womb.

In that same regard, there are those among us who may be prophets in accordance with God’s Plans. Jeremiah 29: 11 says, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” In that sense, it’s a strong reason not to commit murder without just cause, as it may interfere with God’s Plans, and whoever does so is effectively following other gods.

There will always be prophets among us, as Joel 2:27-28 says “You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. The Lord Will Pour Out His Spirit. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

It is God’s desire that His Word is spread to all nations and that His presence is made aware of among those nations, who are made up of people that through time had gone astray since the days of Babel, when they were spread out among the world with different dialects. 2 Chronicles 24:19 says, “Yet he sent prophets among them to bring them back to the LORD.”

Amos 3:7 says, “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.” We should therefore be mindful of the lives we contemplate taking, and the people we contemplate turning away or putting out. For among them may be those who have been commissioned to work toward bringing the wayward back to God, and to advise the rest of us of the things to come. In the spirit of God, we should always strive toward being fruitful and to abide by God in righteousness, that our fields will always prosper, and our makings will always hold. And in the spirit of righteousness we strive to love others as we love ourselves and we give those around us the opportunity to live in fulfillment of God’s Plans.

You're really going to have to work on your opening sentences. You keep proclaiming something as if just proclaiming it makes it true. And yet the first thing you proclaim is rarely (if ever) true.

So you think prophets are needed to spread God's word? Why? You can spread it. I can spread it. A ten-year-old can spread it. It has been spread. So, why are prophets needed again?

 

[miknik5]

Any who point people to Yahshua/Jesus and His teachings are in that right, any that do not are false.

In that right as HIS WITNESSES

Just as HE declared

 

[miknik5]

Was John a prophet according to JESUS?

yes

and yet let us read and understand in context all that JESUS said when He said none born of woman is greater than John
Yet the least in the kingdom is greater

therefore I send you prophets. (What do you think these prophets sent by CHRIST will be testifying of?)

Something greater than what John testified to even though he was not born of the SPIRIT

CHRIST said when THE SPIRIT comes HE will glorify HIM

john did a good work as a herald glorifying the lamb of GOD

JESUS


Yet we have something more to say?


what?

The whole point (and the reason why the blood of all the prophets from Abel to Zechariah will fall upon the wicked generation) usu belief in THE GOSPEL

 

[miknik5]

I hear people on other threads prophesying that a false Christ is coming
but that isn’t prophecy in the sense that it is new

its only expressing what GOD has already given us by HIS WORD

 

[miknik5]

We have everything (NOW) that we need to come to know HIM by

And the SPIRIT of CHRIST was in all the prophets testifying to the sufferings and th glory and the grace that would come


and and we want to suggest that there is done new prophecy that GOD has not revealed to us?

nothing will overshadow THE GIFT of GOD

And anyone who thinks to add to the GOSPEL of our salvation in, by and through CHRIST JESUS

Does not even u set stand the magnitude of the story of our salvation in by and through JESUS CHRIST


And HIM alone


”I am not a prophet”


remember Zechariah?

 

[Waggles]

The gift of prophecy and the ministry of prophet are specific
to Pentecostal churches that have all nine gifts of the Holy Spirit
and are alive and thrive in them.

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,
after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Corinthians 12:28

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Corinthians 14:29
We do this at our worship meetings

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things
that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Corinthians 14:37
There are rules as to how this is to be done in the church

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying
of the body of Christ:
Ephesians 4:
Again very applicable to the Spirit-filled church

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Any child conceived is by GOD’s will and design. Even when a woman raped conceives, that child has not been overlooked by GOD


we must be very careful not to suggest to the ignorant that abortion is okay in certain cases

even in the case of abortion due to the possibility of harm to the mother, that abortion is also not a thoughtless detached act


There is a heart response in the person whose conscience is not seared

Of course a child isn't overlooked by God. That wasn't my point. Humans can act outside of God's will. Even in the case of conception and We don't know EXACTLY how God infuses the spirit of man into the body.

John Chapter 1, when speaking of Jesus -

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[Speak2Me]

no problem on disagreeing

however, I say what I do, not because I don't agree with the basics, but because the way the gifts are 'used' these days, is akin to someone thinking they are saved because they went to the front of a church, repeated a prayer and then went and lived their life any ole way they wanted with no teaching or further instruction

the gifts were never meant to create mega churches where a man up front is almost worshiped in place of God not to mention the entire culture of Christian worship entertainment which goes along with it

of course it matters. I'm not sure I agree with you re Pentecost

Believe me, there's a lot about Pentecostalism I don't agree with.

A true Pentecostal wouldn't go for that stuff, esp mega churches.

 

[Speak2Me]

So you think prophets are needed to spread God's word? Why? You can spread it. I can spread it. A ten-year-old can spread it. It has been spread. So, why are prophets needed again?

It has something to do with God telling an OT prophet named Joel about it, it actually happening in Acts 2, the Apostle Peter confirming it, plus several witnesses in the book of Acts doing it, not to mention Paul teaching the Corinthians about it.

So much context explained away by so much unbelief.

 

[jb]

God has made prophets among us to convey His presence.

Everyone who is born is potentially a prophet. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” What greater passage in the Bible is there, to make the case against abortion? For we don’t know whom God designated to be a prophet, among those who are in a womb.

In that same regard, there are those among us who may be prophets in accordance with God’s Plans. Jeremiah 29: 11 says, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” In that sense, it’s a strong reason not to commit murder without just cause, as it may interfere with God’s Plans, and whoever does so is effectively following other gods.

There will always be prophets among us, as Joel 2:27-28 says “You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. The Lord Will Pour Out His Spirit. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

It is God’s desire that His Word is spread to all nations and that His presence is made aware of among those nations, who are made up of people that through time had gone astray since the days of Babel, when they were spread out among the world with different dialects. 2 Chronicles 24:19 says, “Yet he sent prophets among them to bring them back to the LORD.”

Amos 3:7 says, “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.” We should therefore be mindful of the lives we contemplate taking, and the people we contemplate turning away or putting out. For among them may be those who have been commissioned to work toward bringing the wayward back to God, and to advise the rest of us of the things to come. In the spirit of God, we should always strive toward being fruitful and to abide by God in righteousness, that our fields will always prosper, and our makings will always hold. And in the spirit of righteousness we strive to love others as we love ourselves and we give those around us the opportunity to live in fulfillment of God’s Plans.

I think you're a bit confused on the ministry of the prophet, you can find a bit of a study Here on it, 3B in the list...

 

[Deade]

It has something to do with God telling an OT prophet named Joel about it, it actually happening in Acts 2, the Apostle Peter confirming it, plus several witnesses in the book of Acts doing it, not to mention Paul teaching the Corinthians about it.

So much context explained away by so much unbelief.

Hello Speak2Me,

I have to agree with you. God can do anything He wants, in any dispensation. The prophecies of the Day of the Lord are scattered throughout all the Bible. The time right ahead of us is very important to God's overall plan. They also ignore the two witnesses in Rev. 11. Surely, they are prophets.

God does not always tell the prophet He uses that he is a prophet. Like John the Baptist. He definitely was a prophet that came in the spirit of Elijah (Jesus said so). But John the Baptist denied both offices. God can and will raise up prophets for the times ahead of us.

Will someone tell Lucy-Pevencie that God was talking to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 1:5. This was not referring to Jesus.

Just saying.

Yours, Deade

 

[Nehemiah6]

There will always be prophets among us...

Before anyone can assert that "there will always be prophets among us" one should properly define who is a prophet and who is not, what was unique about prophets, and whether the gift of prophecy would continue after Scripture was completed.

1. Paul said that "There will NOT always be prophets among us" when he said "whether there be prophecies, THEY SHALL FAIL (literally CEASE)" (1 Cor 13:8).

2. A prophet -- by definition -- is a man who not only speaks for God but literally SPEAKS THE WORDS OF GOD by Divine inspiration.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4396: προφήτης
προφήτης, προφήτου, ὁ (προφημι, to speak forth, speak out; hence, properly, 'one who speaks forth'

II. In the N. T.
1. "one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence, his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation.

This corresponds to 2 Peter 1:21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

3. The Apostolic churches had prophets, but ever since the book of Revelation was completed (c. AD 96) prophecies ceased. That is not only the final book of the Bible, but the final book for all genuine prophecies (revelations) from God. So this quotation from Joel applies to Christians churches from AD 30 to c AD 100.

... as Joel 2:27-28 says “You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. The Lord Will Pour Out His Spirit. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

4. When we have a COMPLETE BIBLE which is altogether SUFFICIENT for Christians (2 Tim 3:16,17) there is no need for any further prophecies. If we will not give heed to the written Word, we will certainly not need any other revelations. This is also what the Lord said to His enemies and the unbelievers -- if they would not give heed to Moses, they would not give heed though one (Christ) rose from the dead.

5. Modern prophets (and apostles) are pretenders and charlatans. The "prophets" given to the Church are all within the 66 books of the Bible (beginning with Moses and ending with the apostle John).

 

[miknik5]

Of course a child isn't overlooked by God. That wasn't my point. Humans can act outside of God's will. Even in the case of conception and We don't know EXACTLY how God infuses the spirit of man into the body.

John Chapter 1, when speaking of Jesus -

12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

The spirit of man is not the same as THE SPIRIT

All men are flesh first and then are born again (or not) through faith in THE GOSPEL of HIS SPIRIT

The two are different
the carnal spirit can’t receive the things of GOD but all men are initially carnal and do have their own spirit

and we do know how GOD makes the carnal man alive/quickened and born again of HIS SPIRIT