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Can you give me an example of a real prophet today? Rick Joyner, John Paul Jackson, Graham Cooke, Dutch Sheets, Cindy Jacobs, Patricia King, Ana Mendez Ferrell...to name a few. PLEASE remember: We can judge a prohpet (in any age, the year 1 to now) by his/her fruit. We know the false prophets by their fruit. Their homes are out of Godly order and they teach heresy or blaspheme. Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? False prophets also direct the people to other gods. Having said that, we need to understand that NT prophets are not under the same regulations as the OT prophets were. The OT prophets did not have the cross to go to, to repent. People of the OT also did not have the Holy Spirit to guide them. Because we have the Holy Spirit, we also have access to discernment to evalutate the true heart of one that claims to be a prophet. IF a true prophet makes a mistake and gives an errant word (this includes giving a wrong word due to the person's own personal issues that could interfere with them hearing the Lord distinctly; it includes giving a word that the Lord did not give, or giving the word, but wording it in a way that the message is changed from what God ordained it to be), that word, having been judged by other prophetically gifted people, will be taken back to the speaker of it for correction. A true prophet then submits to the authority of the other prophets (1 Cor 14:32) and goes to the cross and repents of giving a false word. He/she will also confess the false word to those it was given to and ask for forgiveness. Giving a false prophecy is NOT what qualifies a person as a false prophet BECAUSE of the Cross. The sin of giving a false word is no different than any other sin. It can be forgiven if repented of.
A FALSE prophet can give a true word and still be a false prophet. How do we know? His home life is out of order; he teaches or approves of heresy taught by others; his behavior is questionable on more than a few occassions...or the Lord simply tells you.
When a false word is given and the speaking 'prophet' is given correction and does not receive it, that also qualifies him/her as a false prophet. Or at the least in need of further prophetic training. BTW...all the OT prophets either received training or mentored someone.
All Christians are prophets because their identity is the prophet Christ. WRONG! All people are called to prophesy, but few are called to the OFFICE of the Prophet.
A FALSE prophet can give a true word and still be a false prophet. How do we know? His home life is out of order; he teaches or approves of heresy taught by others; his behavior is questionable on more than a few occassions...or the Lord simply tells you.
When a false word is given and the speaking 'prophet' is given correction and does not receive it, that also qualifies him/her as a false prophet. Or at the least in need of further prophetic training. BTW...all the OT prophets either received training or mentored someone.
All Christians are prophets because their identity is the prophet Christ. WRONG! All people are called to prophesy, but few are called to the OFFICE of the Prophet.
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ANREV: According to what Jesus had to say, there are no more prophets. That is wrong. Even after the resurrection, Paul spoke of other prophets…other than himself. because what a prophet did in the OT was do the work of God as directed, or tell of future events that God relayed on to them. That has not changed. That is still what prophets do. But in order to qualify as a TRUE prophet, nothing they say can negate, go against or change the WRITTEN word of God.
What we have going on today is people following what has already been established. There is no new establishment of anything that is going to happen. Therefore, what Jesus said stands, there are no more prophets. First of all Jesus never said there were to be no more prophets. If you think that He did, then show scripture for it. 2ndly, the NT is the NEW COVENANT…new indicating that things have changed, the rules have changed, but God has not.
Considering what Thaddaeus said, it is a repeat of what Joel said. Prophecy now is not Prophecy of then. Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17 say otherwise. We only repeat what we have been taught and that is about it. We share out prophecy knowledge with others. Peter and the others were sharing their knowledge. This type of thinking completely negates the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT, which by the way are part of the NT New Covenant.
Though there is prophecy, but there are no more prophets. Big difference. Prophecy is the ability to make something happen. NOT EVEN!! Prophecy is hearing from God and relaying His message. Don’t think for a minute that just because Christ is not seated at His Father’s right hand that OUR FATHER has stopped talking to us. He is NOT a respecter of persons .All the prophecies of God are done and already set in place. Well, prophets are still prophesying and the prophecies are still coming to pass. That is why there are no more prophets, even though some television personalities claim they are "modern day prophets," which they are not. But there are and they are. Maybe not all of them, but some to be sure. Blind is as blind does. No kidding!
What we have going on today is people following what has already been established. There is no new establishment of anything that is going to happen. Therefore, what Jesus said stands, there are no more prophets. First of all Jesus never said there were to be no more prophets. If you think that He did, then show scripture for it. 2ndly, the NT is the NEW COVENANT…new indicating that things have changed, the rules have changed, but God has not.
Considering what Thaddaeus said, it is a repeat of what Joel said. Prophecy now is not Prophecy of then. Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17 say otherwise. We only repeat what we have been taught and that is about it. We share out prophecy knowledge with others. Peter and the others were sharing their knowledge. This type of thinking completely negates the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT, which by the way are part of the NT New Covenant.
Though there is prophecy, but there are no more prophets. Big difference. Prophecy is the ability to make something happen. NOT EVEN!! Prophecy is hearing from God and relaying His message. Don’t think for a minute that just because Christ is not seated at His Father’s right hand that OUR FATHER has stopped talking to us. He is NOT a respecter of persons .All the prophecies of God are done and already set in place. Well, prophets are still prophesying and the prophecies are still coming to pass. That is why there are no more prophets, even though some television personalities claim they are "modern day prophets," which they are not. But there are and they are. Maybe not all of them, but some to be sure. Blind is as blind does. No kidding!
Patricia King is into new age.
http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/03/false-miracles.html
I remember when this "prophetess" blamed one preacher's adulterous affair on his critics because they released negative vibes or similar into the air. clockwise and anticlockwise portals and all this is not from the bible.
http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/03/false-miracles.html
I remember when this "prophetess" blamed one preacher's adulterous affair on his critics because they released negative vibes or similar into the air. clockwise and anticlockwise portals and all this is not from the bible.
I pray my sisters and brothers in Christ: read the Bible:I Corinthians 12: 1-11 and then 1: 28-30 which I will write for you.
and God hath set some in the Church, First : Apostles, secondarily, PROPHETS, thirdly teachers, after that mircles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversity of tongues. (29) are all apostles? are all PROHETS? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? (30) have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all intepret? (31) but covet earnestly the best gift: yet I shew to you an for excellent way. Prophecy is a spiritual gift (and the person that God use to prophecy is called a prophet) in the Church as is all the spiritual gifts spoken of in I Corithians Chpts. 12- 13 and 14:; also Ephesian 4:11 and he gave some apostles, and some PROPHETS, and some evangelist; and some pastors and teachers; reading verse 8 he led captivity captive and GAVE gifts unto men. Acts 13:1..... read it... it will help.
and God hath set some in the Church, First : Apostles, secondarily, PROPHETS, thirdly teachers, after that mircles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversity of tongues. (29) are all apostles? are all PROHETS? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? (30) have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all intepret? (31) but covet earnestly the best gift: yet I shew to you an for excellent way. Prophecy is a spiritual gift (and the person that God use to prophecy is called a prophet) in the Church as is all the spiritual gifts spoken of in I Corithians Chpts. 12- 13 and 14:; also Ephesian 4:11 and he gave some apostles, and some PROPHETS, and some evangelist; and some pastors and teachers; reading verse 8 he led captivity captive and GAVE gifts unto men. Acts 13:1..... read it... it will help.
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School of prophets: See 1 Sam 10:11 amplified.
Patricia King is NOT into New Age. She ministers to the new age people, but Jesus and Him crucified. I’ve read her books and listened to her both in person and on CD. She is NOT New Age. You should not accuse someone of that when you’ve never even heard her.
A word of knowledge is like a confirmation from God, given through another person. It is God telling the speaker something about the person they are speaking to something that is going on in their life or giving confirmation about something that they were considering. Prophecy is direction or instruction for the future...could be warning too. It is also revelation and understanding that comes to the hearer via the speaker...it is God REVEALING something for current or future use.
Maggie
Patricia King is NOT into New Age. She ministers to the new age people, but Jesus and Him crucified. I’ve read her books and listened to her both in person and on CD. She is NOT New Age. You should not accuse someone of that when you’ve never even heard her.
A word of knowledge is like a confirmation from God, given through another person. It is God telling the speaker something about the person they are speaking to something that is going on in their life or giving confirmation about something that they were considering. Prophecy is direction or instruction for the future...could be warning too. It is also revelation and understanding that comes to the hearer via the speaker...it is God REVEALING something for current or future use.
Maggie
Or perhaps you are in the new age camp with her.
See:
http://www.deceptionbytes.com/taxonomy/term/35
Her doctrines and descriptions match new age beliefs. She may have a familiar spirit carried over from the time of her involvement in the new age and occult.
When a person such as her doesn't point the finger squarely at the pastor who committed adultery but at his critics and blamed their "negative words" for his demise, spiritual portals going clockwise or anti-clockwise, blue flames, I'd say that's hardly Christian belief. If not new age it is lunacy.
See:
http://www.deceptionbytes.com/taxonomy/term/35
Her doctrines and descriptions match new age beliefs. She may have a familiar spirit carried over from the time of her involvement in the new age and occult.
When a person such as her doesn't point the finger squarely at the pastor who committed adultery but at his critics and blamed their "negative words" for his demise, spiritual portals going clockwise or anti-clockwise, blue flames, I'd say that's hardly Christian belief. If not new age it is lunacy.
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And you can read about her new age paganism and trance dancing here:
http://www.deceptionbytes.com/PatriciaKing-Ekstasis
http://www.deceptionbytes.com/PatriciaKing-Ekstasis
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Didn't read all the posts...but there do seem to be prophets still in the New Testament that are distinct or have a different calling than other Christians...
1--I believe Phillip's 7 daughters were known to be prophets in the New Testament.
2--There were people who took Paul's belt from him and put it around his hands and said thus will you be chained in Jerusalem (shortly before his persecution)
3--There were prophets also in Acts that 'foresaw' a famine...
(all three of these examples are actually from Acts)
I believe there are other instances as well that can be seen as prophecies...some people take all of Revelations to be a prophecy...
Just thoughts and God bless
tony
1--I believe Phillip's 7 daughters were known to be prophets in the New Testament.
2--There were people who took Paul's belt from him and put it around his hands and said thus will you be chained in Jerusalem (shortly before his persecution)
3--There were prophets also in Acts that 'foresaw' a famine...
(all three of these examples are actually from Acts)
I believe there are other instances as well that can be seen as prophecies...some people take all of Revelations to be a prophecy...
Just thoughts and God bless
tony
Yes... a prophet is simply one who foretells future events. The old testament had so called major and minor prophets plus there were more who we don't know about. Sometimes the new testament uses the word prophet to simply describe a religious teacher. Teaching and explaining mysteries is one of the functions of the office of a prophet not merely telling the future.
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Didn't King David prophesy and also teach transgressors God's way? If I am not mistaken his own house was out of order with rebellion and some personal sins did nothing for his reputation as God's man and the leader of Israel. Are you going to label him a false prophet or are you going to give him an excuse that he did not have the Holy Spirit or the cross? Are you sure that David did not have the Holy Spirit and no understanding about the blood in relationship to sin and and how to deal with personal sin? I ask these questions because you have made some dogmatic statements about true and false prophets. Perhaps David was a prophet and teacher and submitted to Nathan that held that office God had given to him. Even though David's house would have rebellion within, God extended His arm of mercy and spared David's life because God looked upon his heart and saw that David's heart was after Him. We also (all NT believers) have the sure mercies of David and thank God that when we make mistakes and erroneous judgments, that God gives grace and mercy to those of a humble and contrite heart. We have to be careful what we teach and it would be best that we leave the teaching and expounding of the scriptures to those men that he has called and raised up for the church.
So when one is told of a need or concern for prayer. The one hearing has knowladge of the answer to that need. Such as healing, or the concern. That would be knowladge. If one knows of a future event or answer needed for comfort or an answer to a question that is prophacy? They seem so close, except as a warning for comfort, repentance, warning or preparation.
Being greater than a prophet doesn't make you a prophet. An owner of a business is an employee, and yet not the same as a regular employee.
Besides, I have never seen ANYONE prophecy and I believe Jesus when he said there are no more prophets. Seems to me if any person then claims to be a prophet or performing prophecy that either they are a liar or Jesus lied. Could it be that prophecy has a term no one is using correctly? Humm....
Besides, I have never seen ANYONE prophecy and I believe Jesus when he said there are no more prophets. Seems to me if any person then claims to be a prophet or performing prophecy that either they are a liar or Jesus lied. Could it be that prophecy has a term no one is using correctly? Humm....
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