Psalms 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.

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THE way back to our marriage covenant was with the shed blood of Yeshua who is God with us in the flesh and the renewed covenant.
I am not Jewish. I never had to make my way back to anything and neither does anyone else in Christ and that INCLUDES actual Jews.

My entire belief is based on the kingdom to come
That is problematical. Your faith should be in Christ alone and the fact God states He will keep us. HE keeps us. We cannot keep ourselves by deeds or the law. There is NO 'renewed' covenant. There is the Old Covenant made with the Israelites which Jesus Himself fulfilled and there is the New Covenant entered into by the blood of Christ.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE YOU BELIEVED?
Trying to change the subject?

I am sealed by the Holy Spirit having received Jesus at the age of 5, was water baptized at 13 or 14 and received the baptism in the Holy Spirit at the age of 18. But God keeps the record. You, do not and neither do you judge me according to whether or not I follow the law.

The law has been fulfilled and all glory goes to our Lord Jesus Christ for His sacrificial death on the cross, His blood shed for our sins on that cross and to our Father, His Father, for raising Him from the dead because He was sinless and death could not hold Him.

I identify with Him in His death and that is signified by water baptism. You do not get to keep track or judge such things and you do not get to tell those who are free in Christ that they must come again under bondage. We began our walk in faith in Christ and we continue through our life the same way.

It is simply error to say otherwise. It is like thumbing your nose at God when you declare it is Jesus PLUS your efforts.
 

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I am not Jewish. I never had to make my way back to anything and neither does anyone else in Christ and that INCLUDES actual Jews.



That is problematical. Your faith should be in Christ alone and the fact God states He will keep us. HE keeps us. We cannot keep ourselves by deeds or the law. There is NO 'renewed' covenant. There is the Old Covenant made with the Israelites which Jesus Himself fulfilled and there is the New Covenant entered into by the blood of Christ.



Trying to change the subject?

I am sealed by the Holy Spirit having received Jesus at the age of 5, was water baptized at 13 or 14 and received the baptism in the Holy Spirit at the age of 18. But God keeps the record. You, do not and neither do you judge me according to whether or not I follow the law.

The law has been fulfilled and all glory goes to our Lord Jesus Christ for His sacrificial death on the cross, His blood shed for our sins on that cross and to our Father, His Father, for raising Him from the dead because He was sinless and death could not hold Him.

I identify with Him in His death and that is signified by water baptism. You do not get to keep track or judge such things and you do not get to tell those who are free in Christ that they must come again under bondage. We began our walk in faith in Christ and we continue through our life the same way.

It is simply error to say otherwise. It is like thumbing your nose at God when you declare it is Jesus PLUS your efforts.
I do not believe in hyper-grace. Do you? It appears by your own words you are hyper-grace. I am not judging you as to the validity as to your salvation, actually I don't even know you. If you are taking my posts to heart as pointing a finger at you, you are sadly mistaken. You preach your truth and I teach what I see in the scriptures. Calm down and take a deep breath. Think about the seeds you are planting.
 

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Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD/YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
25 In the LORD/YHWH shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all.


I want to make sure that you see I am not teaching Universalism, for there is definitely a burning up of the wicked.

Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
 

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1ohJn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
Nice try. There's nothing loving about enabling a person to continue in their false doctrine. I know you think you've been shown the secrets to the mysteries of God, but you haven't.
 

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Jer 31: 31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah--
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,` for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

God has his laws, The ten commandments. When God gave the children of Israel the ten commandments God would hereafter refer to that event saying "and I gave them my laws". When God gave his laws to them his laws were excellent. They could not however climb out of the stone and physically work on people to make them better people. So God said I will make a better covenant. Instead of giving them my laws by writing them on stone, I will give them to them by writing them on their hearts. When written on the heart Gods laws can physically work on people to make them better individuals. Same laws, just written in different places. They are laws that God prides to identify himself with such that he calls them 'my' laws, whether referring to them written on stone or written on a persons heart.
 
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I do not believe in hyper-grace. Do you? It appears by your own words you are hyper-grace. I am not judging you as to the validity as to your salvation, actually I don't even know you. If you are taking my posts to heart as pointing a finger at you, you are sadly mistaken. You preach your truth and I teach what I see in the scriptures. Calm down and take a deep breath. Think about the seeds you are planting.
LOL! That's both weak and sad. I must have struck a nerve with my last response
 

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LOL! That's both weak and sad. I must have struck a nerve with my last response
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 
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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Well, when you actually do have something holy to offer rather than your law keeping rhetoric, you might perhaps have cause but certainly not to those in Christ who understand He alone can save and our efforts do not save us.
 

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Well, when you actually do have something holy to offer rather than your law keeping rhetoric, you might perhaps have cause but certainly not to those in Christ who understand He alone can save and our efforts do not save us.
You keep saying that law keeping is what saves me but that is not the case with me. Yes, I do believe in the LAWS and that the laws are the covenants to the marriage contract.

Every kingdom must have four basic elements in order to be called a kingdom. It has to have a king, citizens, laws, and territory. The Kingdom of God contains all of these. History is the story of the formation and development of the Kingdom of God from a seed to a mighty tree that covers the whole earth.

The KING is God and His appointed KINGt hat He has appointed to rule the earth. and it is a real kingdom; its CITIZENS are those who believe in Them and the work they did on the cross; its LAWS are written in the Old Testament Scripture; and its Territory is everything that God created in the heavens and in the earth. To separate God from Jesus is schizo. They are ONE in UNITY.

The second essential element that is needed to have a kingdom is a citizenry. The Kingdom of God has CITIZENS who are those who serve God and the King that He has appointed to rule the earth. Today they are called "Christians," though not everyone who calls himself a Christian is actually a citizen of the Kingdom as far as God is concerned. God looks at the heart, not at the label.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

There were three primary feasts in Israel. These three feasts prophesied of the journey of Israel from Egypt to the Promised Land, and they also prophesied of our individual "journey" out from the dominion of men's kingdoms into the Kingdom of God.

The three feasts represent three stages of development in our journey. Because Passover was the day that Israel left Egypt, it represents the time when an unbeliever becomes a believer and, in effect, "leaves Egypt." This is the feast day that makes one a citizen of the Kingdom of God, and it is by faith in the true Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

The second feast day is Pentecost, which commemorates the day that God came down upon Mount Sinai and gave the Ten Commandments to Israel. Pentecost is the feast that represents the training of citizens to become rulers in the Kingdom. This training is designed to bring spiritual maturity to the believer and to instill in his heart the principles of biblical law by which he may govern and judge the people wisely, justly, and mercifully.

The third feast day is Tabernacles, which was the day that Israel was supposed to enter the Promised Land. Israel was not ready to enter Canaan at that time, for it prophesied of a later day, after God had trained many rulers over the centuries to rule in the Tabernacles Age to come. The feast of Tabernacles will be fulfilled by the manifestation of the Sons of God, who are destined to rule under Christ's headship.

Citizenship in the Kingdom of God requires only faith in Christ. Rulership requires maturity.

Citizenship in the Kingdom of God is different from citizenship in a Christian nation. The Old Testament nation of Israel was set up essentially as a Christian nation by Jesus Christ, appearing as Yahweh to Moses. This is shown by Exodus 15:2 and Isaiah 12:2, which both tell us that "Yahweh has become my Yeshua." In other words, Yeshua (or "Jesus") is the earthly incarnation of Yahweh, the Lawgiver who formed the nation of Israel through Moses.

The nation's laws made outward conformity to religious rituals the condition of their continuing citizenship. The law was weak under the Old Covenant in that it could not prosecute someone for his heart condition, but was limited to the person's actions. For instance, hatred is a sin (Matthew 5:22) but a person had to actually commit murder in order to be prosecuted under the Old Covenant arrangement. Under the New Covenant, however, one must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees (Matthew 5:20) because by this arrangement hatred itself is cause for expulsion from the Kingdom of God.

The law was not put away. In fact, the requirements of the law were raised to include attitudes and motives of the heart.

Israel discovered that the laws of God were not enforceable when the majority of the citizens did not agree with God's law--that is, when the laws were not written on the hearts of the citizens. The natural tendency of the people was to go their own way. Even the priests and teachers of the law began to torture the law into saying things that God never intended for it to say. Thus, the "traditions of men" began to pile up, which actually nullified the law (Mark 7:9).

Paul taught that one had to have a heart circumcision in order to be a citizen of the Kingdom. However, this was not a NEW IDEA and is throughout the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

All have equal opportunity for citizenship, and all obtain citizenship in the same way. No one can set forth his genealogy or family tree, nor his fleshly circumcision, as the basis for citizenship. Every person has the right, then, to progress from Passover through Pentecost and into the manifestation of the Sons of God in the feast of Tabernacles. There is equal opportunity for all.

The Kingdom of God properly includes the whole created universe. But there is a problem in God's Kingdom. It is the problem of sin. It was caused by man's will usurping the authority of God's will, primarily by man thinking that he had the right to decide for himself whether something was right or wrong.

Hebrews 2:8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in subjecting all things to Him, He left nothing that is not subject to Him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to Him."

The Kingdom of God has TERRITORY, which consists of everything God created, whether in heaven or in earth. All that He owns is part of His Kingdom, and He owns the earth by right of creation.

The earth was created to manifest the glory of God, and His purpose will be fulfilled in the end. God will not fail in His purposes.

Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

So just in case you skipped over to the end, here is the reiteration - A Kingdom must have a KING, CITIZENS, LAWS AND TERRITORY.

bible truths - Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 

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I wonder how many of the "NAY-Sayers" to everything I post will show up? You know who you are. You are not capable of having a debate, but sarcasm, false accusations, and being narcissists and bullies is the Mode of Operation. A mature discussion would be delightful.
 

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"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Galatians 3:24-25

Debate over.
 

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New Discussion What is the will of God that we are to Observe and DO? What is LAWLESSNESS? Does God's will pertain to the present time or does it pertain to the kingdom to come? (I recently posted that a Kingdom requires 4 things: KING, CITIZENS, LAWS, TERRITORY) and with this in mind, is the Father/LORD/YHWH a King? Is our Father who art in heaven the creator of FAMILY? Does the Father/King/YHWH have "children/ie citizens", "house rules/laws", "a place to call home/territory"?

Does the Father/YHWH desire to draw back the House of Judah and the House of Israel, to bring them back together? Is this the gospel of the good news is that Jesus/Yeshua has made a way for all of the HOUSE to return and abide together in ONE Kingdom?

The following are not my words, but are found in your very own Bible.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Is this the will of god?

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
 

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Nice try. There's nothing loving about enabling a person to continue in their false doctrine. I know you think you've been shown the secrets to the mysteries of God, but you haven't.
Our beliefs are truly polorized.
 

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Our beliefs are truly polorized.
I agree. You prefer things complicated; I prefer the simplicity of truth. "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:3
 

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Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

GATHERING OUT OF HIS KINGDOM? Where is His Kingdom? Remember, I showed you a Kingdom needs 4 things: A King, Citizens, Laws, Territory.

Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD/YHWH of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. (Future tense)

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign (G936) for ever and ever.

G936
βασιλεύω
basileuō
bas-il-yoo’-o
From G935; to rule (literally or figuratively): - king, reign.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
 

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Hmm... Scripture says that Jesus is the King of Kings.
Jesus said He and the Father are One. The heavenly Father is unseen and Jesus was seen. Together they are one and in total unity. The Old Testament says the LORD/YHWH is King. Then we read Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. A right hand man is your HELPER that you can depend on to do what he is told to do and understands completely what the "boss" thinks.
 

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Jesus said He and the Father are One. The heavenly Father is unseen and Jesus was seen. Together they are one and in total unity. The Old Testament says the LORD/YHWH is King. Then we read Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. A right hand man is your HELPER that you can depend on to do what he is told to do and understands completely what the "boss" thinks.
Okay... so why did the Father give Jesus Authority over ALL things?
 

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Okay... so why did the Father give Jesus Authority over ALL things?
(KJV) 1Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

(God's Word translation)
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then the end will come. Christ will hand over the kingdom to God the Father as he destroys every ruler, authority, and power.
25 Christ must rule until God has put every enemy under his control.
26 The last enemy he will destroy is death.
27 Clearly, God has put everything under Christ's authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ's authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ's authority.
28 But when God puts everything under Christ's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, since God had put everything under the Son's authority. Then God will be in control of everything.
 

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(KJV) 1Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

(God's Word translation)
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then the end will come. Christ will hand over the kingdom to God the Father as he destroys every ruler, authority, and power.
25 Christ must rule until God has put every enemy under his control.
26 The last enemy he will destroy is death.
27 Clearly, God has put everything under Christ's authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ's authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ's authority.
28 But when God puts everything under Christ's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, since God had put everything under the Son's authority. Then God will be in control of everything.
All that's interesting, but doesn't address what I asked... Jesus is referred to as King of Kings, not the Father, as you had stated.