Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

[EbalT5]

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Perhaps the disciples did a lot of stuff on the first day of the week?
They were busy on Friday preparing for the Sabbath.
Then they rested on the Saturday Sabbath when no work was permitted,
Then Sunday was the first chance to catch up on stuff which needed doing.
There is nothing IMO in the Scriptures you quoted which changed the Sabbath day.

 

[Mitspa]

Perhaps the disciples did a lot of stuff on the first day of the week?
They were busy on Friday preparing for the Sabbath.
Then they rested on the Saturday Sabbath when no work was permitted,
Then Sunday was the first chance to catch up on stuff which needed doing.
There is nothing IMO in the Scriptures you quoted which changed the Sabbath day.

No its clear they was meeting on the first Day of the week ...not the sabbath

 

[JesusLives]

I don't understand why the 10 Commandments are so misunderstood. We need the law God wrote with His own finger in stone as these laws are the rules of God's government. These laws could never save us they were the guide book to show us what sin is and why we need a Savior. These laws have always been..... maybe not written verbatim but even in the Garden of Eden back at the beginning Cain knew it was wrong to kill his brother Abel. They also knew to keep the 7th day Sabbath as it was the memorial day at the end of creation week. God set it up and celebrated the first one with Adam and Eve showing them that once a week He wanted special time with them to commune as the Lord blessed, hallowed, sanctified it.

Jesus has always been set up to be our Savior should man sin and unfortunately we had to have that Savior as man did fall into sin. Sin is transgression of the law and the wages of sin is death all of this is plain stated in the Bible nowhere has or did it ever say the law would save man only Jesus could do that.

But the law has always been around since creation and I am speaking of the 10 Commandments only as these are the rules of God's government. Today they still show us what sin is and if we break one we have broken them all, but we have a Savior in Jesus Christ who paid the price on the cross for our sins. We have to repent and ask Jesus to live in our hearts via the Holy Spirit and we are forgiven covered by Jesus blood and we are covered by His grace. When we repent with Holy Spirits help we turn away from sinning that is one of the reasons Jesus would say Go and Sin No More. We can only do this with the Holy Spirits help and power.

Even the song says trust and obey for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey.

 

[Billyd]

Perhaps the disciples did a lot of stuff on the first day of the week?
They were busy on Friday preparing for the Sabbath.
Then they rested on the Saturday Sabbath when no work was permitted,
Then Sunday was the first chance to catch up on stuff which needed doing.
There is nothing IMO in the Scriptures you quoted which changed the Sabbath day.

I don't think anyone here is saying that God has changed the Sabbath. We are saying that if you are living by the Law for Eternal Life, then you must live by the entire Law. Good luck! Only one man has ever successfully lived by the Law.

 

[EbalT5]

The gospel didn't change the Sabbath...it set us free from the law of moses and now the Sabbath is fulfilled in faith in Christ...

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

So what do you think the gospel is? IMO the gospel is the establishment of the Kingdom.

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

the word "end" is Strong's # 5056 and means according to Vines...."the final issue or result of a state or process"

I don't think that Paul was trying to say the Law was abolished. I think he was saying the final result of the law was that righteousness had been established by Jesus for those that believe.

 

[Mitspa]

I don't understand why the 10 Commandments are so misunderstood. We need the law God wrote with His own finger in stone as these laws are the rules of God's government. These laws could never save us they were the guide book to show us what sin is and why we need a Savior. These laws have always been..... maybe not written verbatim but even in the Garden of Eden back at the beginning Cain knew it was wrong to kill his brother Abel. They also knew to keep the 7th day Sabbath as it was the memorial day at the end of creation week. God set it up and celebrated the first one with Adam and Eve showing them that once a week He wanted special time with them to commune as the Lord blessed, hallowed, sanctified it.

Jesus has always been set up to be our Savior should man sin and unfortunately we had to have that Savior as man did fall into sin. Sin is transgression of the law and the wages of sin is death all of this is plain stated in the Bible nowhere has or did it ever say the law would save man only Jesus could do that.

But the law has always been around since creation and I am speaking of the 10 Commandments only as these are the rules of God's government. Today they still show us what sin is and if we break one we have broken them all, but we have a Savior in Jesus Christ who paid the price on the cross for our sins. We have to repent and ask Jesus to live in our hearts via the Holy Spirit and we are forgiven covered by Jesus blood and we are covered by His grace. When we repent with Holy Spirits help we turn away from sinning that is one of the reasons Jesus would say Go and Sin No More. We can only do this with the Holy Spirits help and power.

Even the song says trust and obey for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey.

That's not what the New Testament teaches..a believer cannot be justified by Christ and still a sinner under the law... Your either justified or your a sinner... Now the moral aspects of the law are seen in the law of Christ to love...when we as believers sin its not against the law of Moses...its against the law of Christ... And the law of moses cannot make us sinners again....ever unless we turn back to the law to be justified.

 

[Mitspa]

So what do you think the gospel is? IMO the gospel is the establishment of the Kingdom.

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

the word "end" is Strong's # 5056 and means according to Vines...."the final issue or result of a state or process"

I don't think that Paul was trying to say the Law was abolished. I think he was saying the final result of the law was that righteousness had been established by Jesus for those that believe.

The foundation of the Gospel is righteousness by faith in Christ apart from the law of Moses... By grace through faith...not of works ...Now whole counsel of God includes the purpose of the law and its witness against the flesh of all men...and in that we see that is only by faith we can be justified.

 

[JesusLives]

That's not what the New Testament teaches..a believer cannot be justified by Christ and still a sinner under the law... Your either justified or your a sinner... Now the moral aspects of the law are seen in the law of Christ to love...when we as believers sin its not against the law of Moses...its against the law of Christ... And the law of moses cannot make us sinners again....ever unless we turn back to the law to be justified.

I don't know about you, but I confess that I am a justified sinner because the Bible plainly states that All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. I am a sinner in need of a Savior because I have broken the law. He who says he is without sin is a liar. I was not without sin therefore I needed a Savior which I accepted in Christ Jesus My Lord. Jesus has justified me and He would say the same to me as any other Go and sin no more. I can only do this with the Holy Spirit living in me. Here is the patience of the saints here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith/testimony of Jesus and this is found in Revelation very New Testament.

 

[Mitspa]

I don't know about you, but I confess that I am a justified sinner because the Bible plainly states that All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. I am a sinner in need of a Savior because I have broken the law. He who says he is without sin is a liar. I was not without sin therefore I needed a Savior which I accepted in Christ Jesus My Lord. Jesus has justified me and He would say the same to me as any other Go and sin no more. I can only do this with the Holy Spirit living in me. Here is the patience of the saints here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith/testimony of Jesus and this is found in Revelation very New Testament.

Well are you now "justified" by faith or are you now a sinner under the law? You cant be both...but you can have sin in your flesh and be justified in the spirit...thats why the New Testament teaches us not to look to the law (the letter) but to the Spirit and faith...nothing profits but faith working by love.

 

[Blain]

I commend the op for a well written post along with scripture. The sabbath is a very touchy and complicated subject. some say the true sabbath is saturday not sunday some say otherwise but the whole keeping the sabbath debate is a very messy one yet it must be debated so we can understand. Certain Christians are very passionate about keeping the sabbath and I will admit I have yet to find one scripture that speaks of not keeping it however we all break the commandments everyday so is not keeping the sabbath any worse of a sin than what we do every day? not to mention what is considered not keeping the sabbath in the first place?

work in general would be not keeping the sabbath right? Jesus was condemned simply for helping someone on the sabbath so is it right to assume that anything less than total laying back and chilling is breaking it? Jesus is God so he has the authority to work on the sabbath but the sabbath was made for us to honor God so it was created to be kept by us humans. sunday and saturday for me are free time days and I go to church on sunday but if keeping the sabbath whether on saturday or sunday means I cannot do any work of any kind then I am breaking it because I like to help ppl and I am willing to work hard for the sake of others and I am sometimes blessed by being able to help someone here in cc as I am on here a lot and if I could I would be doing charity work everyday including sunday and saturday.


Honestly my opinion on the sabbath keeping is not set in stone. I feel it is more of a thing that you should feel lead to do like fasting but I also could be wrong maybe we are to keep the sabbath but maybe God is more interested in the state of our hearts and relationship with him

 

[JesusLives]

Well are you now "justified" by faith or are you now a sinner under the law? You cant be both...but you can have sin in your flesh and be justified in the spirit...thats why the New Testament teaches us not to look to the law (the letter) but to the Spirit and faith...nothing profits but faith working by love.

I am justified by my faith in Jesus, but that does not mean that the law looses it's importance as there are many other sinners out there that have not yet found Jesus and if the law (10 Commandments) were not still in place as valid then these sinners that need to realize they need Jesus would have no guide book to show them the way to Jesus and their need of Him. I say the law is still valid today because it is still needed to show the way.

I am still required to obey as if I blatantly broke the law and started murdering I could still end up in hell. But because I love God I am not going to go out and do that it is now out of love that I want to obey.

 

[Mitspa]

I am justified by my faith in Jesus, but that does not mean that the law looses it's importance as there are many other sinners out there that have not yet found Jesus and if the law (10 Commandments) were not still in place as valid then these sinners that need to realize they need Jesus would have no guide book to show them the way to Jesus and their need of Him. I say the law is still valid today because it is still needed to show the way.

I agree with that and also agree that we should see the moral standards of the law being fulfilled in us By the Spirit and Gods love working in us... we can study the law to see Christ and even to remember not to have confidence in our flesh...but the law cannot bear witness against the Blood of Jesus that has made us clean.

 

[JesusLives]

I agree with that and also agree that we should see the moral standards of the law being fulfilled in us By the Spirit and Gods love working in us... we can study the law to see Christ and even to remember not to have confidence in our flesh...but the law cannot bear witness against the Blood of Jesus that has made us clean.

Believe it or not we agree. So are we good?

 

[RememberTheSabbathDay]

There are many many things that are a sign of His followers. I see you are new here, not that you may not have been reading and not signed up but just by my experience on CC, there's a heck of a lot of focus on the Sabbath and not on many of the others laws that they could be knowingly breaking.

Breno.


You are missing the whole point of this discussion. It's not that the others aren't important, it's just this is the ONLY ONE that most of the world thinks is changed...God said..I just posted it..Don't shoot the messenger. Don't get upset..Pray about it. God says, test every spirit to see if its true..How do u test every spirit, by the Word of God and c if God contradicts Himself. God's word also brings about division. Truth and Error. This is not a contest to c who is right or who is wrong. God hates division amongest believers. Do your homework. Traditions are hard to overcome. It not like we are losing anything when we take God at His word.

 

[Mitspa]

Believe it or not we agree. So are we good?

LOL we was never bad You know its a mystery ...godliness and seeing the law fade away and beholding Christ alone is something that's hard to explain and put into words for us....I think its supposed to be?

 

[Mitspa]

Breno.


You are missing the whole point of this discussion. It's not that the others aren't important, it's just this is the ONLY ONE that most of the world thinks is changed...God said..I just posted it..Don't shoot the messenger. Don't get upset..Pray about it. God says, test every spirit to see if its true..How do u test every spirit, by the Word of God and c if God contradicts Himself. God's word also brings about division. Truth and Error. This is not a contest to c who is right or who is wrong. God hates division amongest believers. Do your homework. Traditions are hard to overcome. It not like we are losing anything when we take God at His word.

I prayed and God says your missing the His Cross

 

[EbalT5]

Yes the law teaches the keeping of the Sabbath...everybody knows that...but the believer in Christ is justify by faith apart from the law...most Christians should know that!

James 2:20-24New American Standard Bible (NASB) [SUP]20 [/SUP]But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? [SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; [SUP]23 [/SUP]and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. [SUP]24 [/SUP]You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

 

[EbalT5]

Yes works of faith Like RAHAB THE HARLOT...you think she was keeping the law of Moses?

James 2:25-26New American Standard Bible (NASB) [SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? [SUP]26 [/SUP]For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

 

[EbalT5]

Scripture says RAHAB THE HARLOT had faith and works. and she will get into heaven before priests and pastors ....

and perhaps before most church goers today, specifically those who say they have faith, but they work for the enemy, not for the truth, so their 'works'/ their 'deeds' are evil/ and the truth is not in them.


Jesus says, in the Bible, if someone listens to Jesus, they listen to Moses; if they listened to Moses, they'll listen to Jesus. (no argument here - it can't be erased ! )

Salvation, resurrection life, in Jesus, by grace, through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the GIFT OF YAHWEH the CREATOR through Jesus.

Matthew 23
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, [SUP]2 [/SUP]saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; [SUP]3 [/SUP]therefore all that they tell you, do and observe,

It appears to me that Jesus was recommending observing the Law.

 

[breno785au]

Breno.


You are missing the whole point of this discussion. It's not that the others aren't important, it's just this is the ONLY ONE that most of the world thinks is changed...God said..I just posted it..Don't shoot the messenger. Don't get upset..Pray about it. God says, test every spirit to see if its true..How do u test every spirit, by the Word of God and c if God contradicts Himself. God's word also brings about division. Truth and Error. This is not a contest to c who is right or who is wrong. God hates division amongest believers. Do your homework. Traditions are hard to overcome. It not like we are losing anything when we take God at His word.

And I think your missing the point of my question. Don't think I asked in contention, I rarely contribute to these discussions because I know where they lead, it was merely a question that I thought was valid so I aired it.