The Hebrew ooayne; which is translated wine, means 'the pressing of the grape'. 'New wine' is un-fermented grape juice; while 'old wine' is fermented. Modern 'forced' wines are 28 proof (14%) alcohol, because of added sugar. Biblical (natural) wines were 6-18 proof (3-9%) alcohol. NOTHING is unscriptural about having grape juice.
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The bible shows it is about your heart and not about the drink itself, and grapes rather it comes in the form of wine or grape juice come from the same vine. If your heart is not in it then do not partake of it as you would not be partaking of it in the proper manner. However you can drink either grape juice or wine as there is no direct command for it to only be wine. God knows your heart and He will know why you are partaking of it by the juice and not the wine, but it all comes down to your heart. Doing it out of love for Him as your Lord and Savior.....
P.S. ---- I just wanted to add that this is not just a Catholic thing, as the bible clearly mentions it from Lord Jesus in the Gospel books to Acts, to Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 11......
When Jesus gave communion, it was at the Passover Supper and he picked up the cup of wine that was there representing the blood that gave them protection when the angel of death passed over the Israelites. He gave the disciples new meaning for that cup - soon to become His blood.
I like looking at the red of wine and visualizing Christ's blood. I also like the warmth of wine on my tongue like it is more real somehow. I was raised on using grape juice (Baptist church), but the first time I used wine, it was like an "ah" moment.
In reading the other postings, I think it really is a matter of doing whatever causes the body and blood of Jesus to be more real to each person. And I love the fact that people would use other elements when they had to. Like water and bread. If Jesus could turn water into wine, it seems to me that He would bless with His presence any substance we need to use.
As long as we spend that time with Jesus, and receive what He is offering us through these elements.
My husband would feel comfortable taking communion using beer and crackers. And I think Jesus would actually smile if he did that.
I like looking at the red of wine and visualizing Christ's blood. I also like the warmth of wine on my tongue like it is more real somehow. I was raised on using grape juice (Baptist church), but the first time I used wine, it was like an "ah" moment.
In reading the other postings, I think it really is a matter of doing whatever causes the body and blood of Jesus to be more real to each person. And I love the fact that people would use other elements when they had to. Like water and bread. If Jesus could turn water into wine, it seems to me that He would bless with His presence any substance we need to use.
As long as we spend that time with Jesus, and receive what He is offering us through these elements.
My husband would feel comfortable taking communion using beer and crackers. And I think Jesus would actually smile if he did that.
Because he sat between them and spend time with them.
Have you ever spend time with drug addicts? Does that make you a drug addict if you spend time with them without using it?
The Pharisees were looking for excuses to discredit Yeshua and that is why they spread lies like this. Do a study on this. Very interesting
Have you ever spend time with drug addicts? Does that make you a drug addict if you spend time with them without using it?
The Pharisees were looking for excuses to discredit Yeshua and that is why they spread lies like this. Do a study on this. Very interesting
Because he sat between them and spend time with them.
Have you ever spend time with drug addicts? Does that make you a drug addict if you spend time with them without using it?
The Pharisees were looking for excuses to discredit Yeshua and that is why they spread lies like this. Do a study on this. Very interesting
Have you ever spend time with drug addicts? Does that make you a drug addict if you spend time with them without using it?
The Pharisees were looking for excuses to discredit Yeshua and that is why they spread lies like this. Do a study on this. Very interesting
If I eat with people who smoke, that does not make me a smoker unless I myself smoke
You are right about drug addicts too. I cannot be accused of being a drug addict unless I actually take drugs myself
I could be accused of mixing with people who do smoke, but not of being a smoker
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Lumberjack, from your comments in this thread..and this is to help you and encourage but it sounds like you need to experience a living relationship with the Holy Spirit and not a set of rituals. Your zeal to do what is right biblically is good but there's more to it than that, I pray that you find that out sooner rather than later
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There are biblical precedents!
Jesus is referred as a priest of the order of Melchisedech, who most certainly used bread and wine!, so uniting the levitical priesthood ( bloody, offering himself as lamb) and melchisedech priesthood ( un bloody, offering bread and wine) sacrifices.
Do not think ritz crackers are an adequate biblical substitute!
Jesus is referred as a priest of the order of Melchisedech, who most certainly used bread and wine!, so uniting the levitical priesthood ( bloody, offering himself as lamb) and melchisedech priesthood ( un bloody, offering bread and wine) sacrifices.
Do not think ritz crackers are an adequate biblical substitute!
