question about the tribes of Israel
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Okay so I think I may have some understanding now..
I wanna post a little of what I found and get some input. Please keep in mind I'm not the best when it comes to biblical understanding. So if I've miss understood anything please let me know, just don't be to harsh with me. Lol
Anyway.. What I've found..
Okay, Genesis 49 explains that Dan is like a serpent, (Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.)
Judges 17:10 and 18:20 speaks about how they set up their own priest just for their tribe and the LEVITES were supposed to be the priest tribe. There were no other tribe that had priests. (Right?)
1st Kings 12:30 tells about how Dan became center of pagan worship (?) for the ten tribes in the north.
Number 2:31 mentions the they shall sit out last by their own standards. ( I understood that as meaning they were on their own.)
Then there is Judges 1:16-1:20..
So pretty much..
Genesis laid the foundation warning that Dan was like a snake... so then later on scripture explains how the tribe cut its self off almost from the beginning.
They were worshipping false idols even while they were the judges. And They rejected their inheritance and God?
I'm guessing because of all this, this is why they weren't listed to be one of the sealed?
At least that's what I've come to understand.. :/
I wanna post a little of what I found and get some input. Please keep in mind I'm not the best when it comes to biblical understanding. So if I've miss understood anything please let me know, just don't be to harsh with me. Lol
Anyway.. What I've found..
Okay, Genesis 49 explains that Dan is like a serpent, (Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.)
Judges 17:10 and 18:20 speaks about how they set up their own priest just for their tribe and the LEVITES were supposed to be the priest tribe. There were no other tribe that had priests. (Right?)
1st Kings 12:30 tells about how Dan became center of pagan worship (?) for the ten tribes in the north.
Number 2:31 mentions the they shall sit out last by their own standards. ( I understood that as meaning they were on their own.)
Then there is Judges 1:16-1:20..
So pretty much..
Genesis laid the foundation warning that Dan was like a snake... so then later on scripture explains how the tribe cut its self off almost from the beginning.
They were worshipping false idols even while they were the judges. And They rejected their inheritance and God?
I'm guessing because of all this, this is why they weren't listed to be one of the sealed?
At least that's what I've come to understand.. :/
There were 12 tribes until Genesis 48:13 When Jacob (Israel) adopted Ephraim and Manasseh, the two sons of Joseph.
Dan is not mentioned in Revelation 7:5-8 because during the years before the Northern Kingdom was taken captive by Assyria, Dan had intermarried with idolatrous nations to the extent that his lineage could not be traced.
Dan is not mentioned in Revelation 7:5-8 because during the years before the Northern Kingdom was taken captive by Assyria, Dan had intermarried with idolatrous nations to the extent that his lineage could not be traced.
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in the Book of HOS.4:17, Ephraim is joined to 'idols', and they have certainly had their share of
inter-marriage as some of the other Tribes.
it is possible that through marriage, that the 'gentile' could become an Israelite - God will judge...
all through the scripture God says, 'as He has scattered Israel, that is, all 12Tribes, so also
He will gather, and not only this, He says that 'not one grain' shall fall to the ground'...
usually in scripture when the Tribes are listed, they are listed in a particular order, such as BIRTH -
but in REV., Judah is rightly named first, because he was the chief Tribe with the scepter promise,
and then Reuben is second, which is according to the birth-right promises, but he 'dis-qualified'
for that right...
so, the question would be, 'is Reuben forgiven and re-instated the BirthRight? but then,
Joseph would have to 'forfeit that Right...so, if their is a specific purposeful order,
we confess, we have YET been able to find it.....BUT, we do know that our Father is no respecter of persons -
in another place, it says that the Great-Day-OF-The-Lord hastens...we do believe that the 're-gathering'
will be taking place in great tumult, according to all of the prophesies of troubles and tribulations...
much of Judah already occupies much of the Promise Land, they are right there to be put in their proper place..
in our OPINION, the ORDER is according to the Great Gathering and geographical location -
JER.3:16-17-18.
And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD,
they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind:
neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it,
to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more
after the imagination of their evil heart.
In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together
out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
inter-marriage as some of the other Tribes.
it is possible that through marriage, that the 'gentile' could become an Israelite - God will judge...
all through the scripture God says, 'as He has scattered Israel, that is, all 12Tribes, so also
He will gather, and not only this, He says that 'not one grain' shall fall to the ground'...
usually in scripture when the Tribes are listed, they are listed in a particular order, such as BIRTH -
but in REV., Judah is rightly named first, because he was the chief Tribe with the scepter promise,
and then Reuben is second, which is according to the birth-right promises, but he 'dis-qualified'
for that right...
so, the question would be, 'is Reuben forgiven and re-instated the BirthRight? but then,
Joseph would have to 'forfeit that Right...so, if their is a specific purposeful order,
we confess, we have YET been able to find it.....BUT, we do know that our Father is no respecter of persons -
in another place, it says that the Great-Day-OF-The-Lord hastens...we do believe that the 're-gathering'
will be taking place in great tumult, according to all of the prophesies of troubles and tribulations...
much of Judah already occupies much of the Promise Land, they are right there to be put in their proper place..
in our OPINION, the ORDER is according to the Great Gathering and geographical location -
JER.3:16-17-18.
And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD,
they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind:
neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it,
to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more
after the imagination of their evil heart.
In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together
out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
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Thats the issue with prophesy.
1. Until it happens, all we can do is guess what will happen.
2. To say we know exactly how and why something will happen is to make ourself God
3. If it was all christian in all the world. he would have said so. God said it was 12000 from particular group of people. take him at his word. He is God and uses prophesy to prove wh he is. to symbolise ANY prophesy is to make prophesy of no effect, and make ANY possible interpretation valid. Which is how world prophets like Nostradamus work. Is that your god?
4. Yes, God used symbolic visions, but they explained literal events. IE beasts of Daniel and revelation represented world leaders, and gentile national kingdoms. But the literal still came true.
1. Until it happens, all we can do is guess what will happen.
2. To say we know exactly how and why something will happen is to make ourself God
3. If it was all christian in all the world. he would have said so. God said it was 12000 from particular group of people. take him at his word. He is God and uses prophesy to prove wh he is. to symbolise ANY prophesy is to make prophesy of no effect, and make ANY possible interpretation valid. Which is how world prophets like Nostradamus work. Is that your god?
4. Yes, God used symbolic visions, but they explained literal events. IE beasts of Daniel and revelation represented world leaders, and gentile national kingdoms. But the literal still came true.
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I had honestly forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder 
It could be as simple as God decided not to use them to help missionary the world at this time for whatever reason we may not know until it happens..
God usually does not just do things, he does them for a reason, The reason he seals these 144000 is not given, Many believe it is to seal them as missionaries, to go re-spread the gospel after the church is removed, or has fallen away (which ever believe system you use)
it could be just that Some from the tribe of Dan Got saved, so they enter the millennial kingdom when Christ returns, But he did not use them in this capacity for whatever reason.
First off there are only Twelve Tribes of Israel. Ephraim and Manasseh both belonged to the Tribe of Joseph. They both received of the inheritance that which was to belong to Joseph. In other words Ephraim and Manasseh SPLIT the inheritance that belonged to Joseph. Now granted, both of them (Ephraim and Manasseh) was referred to as individual tribes.
As to Revelations 7:5-8, those verses have nothing to do with the listing of the 12 Tribes of Israel. Those verses are quite clear, and was referring to whom was going to be sealed in the last days. The Tribe of Dan is not listed because there are NONE in the tribe of Dan that will be sealed with the 144,000. How do we know this? Because they are not listed as one of the Tribes that will be sealed. Now as to the WHY they are not sealed, i know not, and will try to remember to ask God, if and when He chooses to speak with me again.
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Since you seem to think you are the expert on the tribe of Dan, then please show me ANY Scriptures that is contrary to what i have said above. if you can't show ANY Scriptures which proves that what i said is in error, then what i said can be just as correct as another person's.
And i have a question for you. Are you a hypocrite?
i only ask that because you said You say that i should not speak on the matter because i do not know something. Are you saying you do not speak on any matter at all if you do not know something concerning that matter? Are you a Hypocrite? Telling me i should not speak on the matter, when you speak on other matters that you do not know as well?
Tell me, Consider the statement Is this LOVE?
^i^ responding to post #20
As to Revelations 7:5-8, those verses have nothing to do with the listing of the 12 Tribes of Israel. Those verses are quite clear, and was referring to whom was going to be sealed in the last days. The Tribe of Dan is not listed because there are NONE in the tribe of Dan that will be sealed with the 144,000. How do we know this? Because they are not listed as one of the Tribes that will be sealed. Now as to the WHY they are not sealed, i know not, and will try to remember to ask God, if and when He chooses to speak with me again.
^i^ responding to OP
^i^ responding to post # 21