Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

[homwardbound]

Biblical sources? I pointed out that the LORD had already been married to Israel, not the Church...never to the Church. The Church is His BODY. How can one's own BODY also be his BRIDE? How does one marry Himself? I've heard of guys out there marrying goats and even their dinner plates, but never their own body...

So, if you would, please explain what I quoted from the OT scriptures of the Lord being married to Israel, handing her a write of divorcement, and yet later still referring to His being "married" to her? Numerous times it is revealed the Lord's marriage to Israel, and yet many today seem to think that He is going to become a serial polygamist just as many of them are within their subsequent marriage(s) after divorcing for unscriptural reasons, such as "incompatibility." Many out there living in sin think themselves qualified to overlay the scriptures with their own sinful viewpoints, with some even writing commentaries published on the market.

MM

Replacement theology, Thanks I looked that up and wow. woe is me to ever think being a gentile am better than the first chosen ever.
Adopted in, grafted into the tree. I see 'I" can easily get me grafted out as well, no thanks
Thank you for standing in belief Brother a friend in the risen Christ for us to be new in love and mercy to all also, as God in Son was/is to us which began on that cross to cross over with him in the resurrection
There I stand in thanksgiving and praise with by Son in his shed blood all sin taken away as far as the east is from the west forever, wow!
Ps 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26, Micah 6:7-8


Living Bible Micah 6:7-8

For if you offered him thousands of rams and ten thousands of rivers of olive oil—would that please him? Would he be satisfied? If you sacrificed your oldest child, would that make him glad? Then would he forgive your sins? Of course not!
No, he has told you what he wants, and this is all it is: to be fair, just, merciful, and to walk humbly with your God.

 

[Cameron143]

So what you are saying, is that you do NOT agree that:


--Luke 21:8-11 is speaking of "the beginning of birth pangs" (exactly like Mt24:4-8 & Mk13:5-8 also do);


--and that verse 12 of that chapter (Lk21) states clearly "But BEFORE ALL THESE..." (i.e. BEFORE all of the "beginning of birth pangs" vv.8-11 JUST TALKED ABOUT), BEFORE ALL THOSE, the events of vv.12-24a,b [the 70ad events] MUST TAKE PLACE FIRST (*BEFORE* all of those items in vv.8-11);


--and that "the beginning of birth pangs" (Mt24:4-8... Mk13:5-8... AND Lk21:8-11) ARE "the SEALS" of Rev6 (SEALS 1-5);


--and that, the "end / outcome" of the 70ad events is spelled out in v.24a "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations"; but by contrast, the "end / outcome" of "the beginning of birth pangs" (and those "birth pangs" which FOLLOW ON from "the beginning of" them) is COMPLETELY OPPOSITE, in that, Matt24:29-31/Isaiah 27:9,12-13 speaks of their being "GATHERED" ("one by one") to worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM" (IOW, the one being BEFORE all the beginning of birth pangs; the other being AFTER the beginning of birth pangs and those pangs which follow on from "the beginning" of them--i.e. COMPLETELY OPPOSITE ENDS / OUTCOME / results)



I completely disagree, based on the "SEQUENCE ISSUES" of the Olivet Discourse (and the parts of Rev which DO PARALLEL that, namely the SEALS [BEING "the beginning of birth PANGS"], which SEALS are at the START of the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period that Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 speaks to), and which will unfold and lead up to His "RETURN" to the earth (Rev19). Not "soon [adverb]" (from when written), per these verses I've underlined [/explained earlier].







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On a slightly different note: who do you believe it refers to, where Rev2:13 says, "wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you..." ?

You are devoted to an end time apocalypse because you have invested so much time and energy trying to synchronize every single jot and tittle, you have lost sight of the forest for the trees.
You have also lost sight of the cross. Not redemptively personally, but it's purpose in God's plan to fill the earth with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord. The cross, and all that accompanied it, is the central event of all of history. After the fall, nearly all the OT points to it, the gospels reveal it imminency, and the rest of the NT speaks to the ramifications of it. The whole spiritual power structure was changed. The gospels themselves predict it. Satan is cast from heaven...Luke 10:18...and Jesus speaks of building His church in which the powers of hell are impotent to halt...Matthew 16:18. Not too many days hence, Jesus, with newfound authority and power, commissions the building of said church...Matthew 28:19-20. And later, in Revelation 1, Jesus appears with 2 new keys on His key chain.

In coming and dying, Jesus reversed the course of history. The cross destroyed the works of Satan by rendering him impotent to stop the restoration of all things. And history, post cross, is a continual restoration of all things in and by Christ...1 Corinthians 15:23-28.

If you trace both history, and redemptive history, this can be easily shown. And I'll be glad to walk you through it, if that interests you. But history will continue to build to a time when the knowledge of the glory of the Lord shall fill the earth.