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Pilgrimshope

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And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
yeah they did lose thier first estate not because they bred with human women though that part isn’t there is it ? Would take a pretty big leap
 

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In order to become a son of God, one must believe on Jesus Christ.

John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
right exactly on Jesus Christ if you believe in him you don’t then reject his word you accept it because you believe he’s the one to trust

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬

if we believe in Jesus that should be acceptable not something we reject

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭

the cross doesn’t speak words Jesus does. And you have to hear his word in order to believe

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

saved by faith
 
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how can a spiritual bekng breed with flesh and blood ?

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure angels have human dna or can procreate with a different species can they ? Wouldn’t make sense
Angels are living creatures that also have a spirit in them it seems from Ezekiel's encounter with them.

Have you anything to say contrary to 1 Corinthians 11:10, Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4?
 
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Jude
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Angels are spiritual beings but my take on angels breeding with women is this: When angels come to earth they take on flesh just as men. In Ps 82 which is about angels it talks about angels dying like men.

6 I say, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
7 nevertheless, you shall die like men,
and fall like any prince
 

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yeah they did lose thier first estate not because they bred with human women though that part isn’t there is it ? Would take a pretty big leap
They left their habitation and came to earth, took on a body of flesh, and had sexual relations with the daughters of men. There's a distinction between son of God and daughter of men. Daughters are of men, sons are of God.

A son of God in scripture is any being that was sinless at its creation. Angels, cherubs, seraphims, Adam was a son of God, and fallen man can become a son of God by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Angels are living creatures that also have a spirit in them it seems from Ezekiel's encounter with them.

Have you anything to say contrary to 1 Corinthians 11:10, Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4?
Agreed, there have been many angels throughout scripture take on human flesh and have interactions with man.
 

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So, God destroyed all mankind because men and women were marrying one another?
the bible say in Genesis 6:5

" And God saw that the wickedness "of man" was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. "

it was because of that GOd destroyed all mankind :) You did not see that?
 

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Angels are living creatures that also have a spirit in them it seems from Ezekiel's encounter with them.

Have you anything to say contrary to 1 Corinthians 11:10, Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4?
they are spiritual heavenly beings who a third of them lost thier estate when they followed Satan thisnisnwhybthey lost thier estate and are being held for punishment

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s because they rebelled against Gods election of mankind through Christ.
that literally shows them losing thier place in heaven and why

My point is angels aren’t flesh and blood mankind is flesh and blood. It takes flesh and blood to breed with flesh and blood simple genetics teaches us that and the process of procreation. They had a place in heaven but followed Satan

“And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no i don’t have anything contrary to say of any scripture but which of the angels did God ever call his son ?? Isn’t that the point of this

“Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( son)

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why he contrasting the title of son with angels

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Angels are spirits they move about us even now but we can’t see them and they don’t breed with women

they are spiritual heavenly beings. They aren’t flesh and blood with spirits in them they are ministering spirits who minister to the hiers of salvstion ( the children of God ,mankind )
 

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the bible say in Genesis 6:5

" And God saw that the wickedness "of man" was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. "

it was because of that GOd destroyed all mankind :) You did not see that?
And the Lord Jesus provide more context as to why also in the Gospel of Matthew chapter 24:37-39

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Jesus did not say Angels anywhere :) I am sure he would have if MAN was not the reason why God destroyed the earth with water.
I did not know angels can drown or swim :)

 
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they are spiritual heavenly beings who a third of them lost thier estate when they followed Satan thisnisnwhybthey lost thier estate and are being held for punishment

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s because they rebelled against Gods election of mankind through Christ.
that literally shows them losing thier place in heaven and why

My point is angels aren’t flesh and blood mankind is flesh and blood. It takes flesh and blood to breed with flesh and blood simple genetics teaches us that and the process of procreation. They had a place in heaven but followed Satan

“And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no i don’t have anything contrary to say of any scripture but which of the angels did God ever call his son ?? Isn’t that the point of this

“Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( son)

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why he contrasting the title of son with angels

“And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Angels are spirits they move about us even now but we can’t see them and they don’t breed with women

they are spiritual heavenly beings. They aren’t flesh and blood with spirits in them they are ministering spirits who minister to the hiers of salvstion ( the children of God ,mankind )
Revelation 12 has not happened yet but is part of the prophecy of the events that lead up to the Apocalypse. Those alive in those days will know when it does though, woe to the inhabitants of earth and sea!

Do you have anything that can undo the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 11:10, Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4 and prove these three apostles are liars?
 

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They left their habitation and came to earth, took on a body of flesh, and had sexual relations with the daughters of men. There's a distinction between son of God and daughter of men. Daughters are of men, sons are of God.

A son of God in scripture is any being that was sinless at its creation. Angels, cherubs, seraphims, Adam was a son of God, and fallen man can become a son of God by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
“They left their habitation and came to earth, took on a body of flesh, and had sexual relations with the daughters of men.”

yeah that’s what some seem to think but it’s not found in scripture though its a theory. Can you name one scripture in the Bible that says angels are Gods sons ? If it’s true it should say it somewhere without having to leap into things not there

that’s from the book of Enoch specifically the book of the watchers the idea your talking about. It doesn’t say they “ took on flesh bodies “ as you have decided but didn’t God create mans body ? And then man procreated and that’s where flesh and blood comes from ? When did the angels become creators of flesh and blood ?
 

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Revelation 12 has not happened yet but is part of the prophecy of the events that lead up to the Apocalypse. Those alive in those days will know when it does though, woe to the inhabitants of earth and sea!

Do you have anything that can undo the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 11:10, Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4 and prove these three apostles are liars?
lol no disagreeing with your theory that angels are Gods sons doesn’t mean I’m calling anyone a liar not you or the apostles.

and yes revelation 12 happened when Christ came to earth that’s already going on

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why we’re at war now they are in the earth and we’re cast out of heaven when Christ was enthroned the war against the church is already happening

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, ( Satan and his angels ) against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s here because this happened

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s this

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why you see the son seated on the throne who was to rule it’s a rod of iron

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your not understanding revelation but if you can find one scripture actually calling angels the sons of God I mean actually saying it not having to understand your theory but one scripture calling any angel a son of God I’ll agree with ya

I bet you don’t find that in scripture you will find mankind called the son of God from the beginning

“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭

Adam then had children but at what point are angels and men the same ? Of man is his son are we brothers with angels now ? Is it man who are the children of God or is it angels ? Or maybe both?

many times in scripture man is referred to as the sons of God , and not once are angels referred to as the sons of God

Thats my position. Angels are spirits sent to minister to Mankind who are the hiers of salvation

Satan led a third of then astray when Christ was born they tried to kill him through Herod and then through the many accusations of the law , finally he entered into Judas and betrayed Jesus and Jesus died on the cross but rose up and was seated on his throne where he rules forever
 

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the bible say in Genesis 6:5

" And God saw that the wickedness "of man" was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. "

it was because of that GOd destroyed all mankind :) You did not see that?
Since Genesis 3:15 and the promise of Satan’s downfall, Satan has been on the attack of the promise seed. When men began to multiply, he lost his target, so he began an all out attack on the seed of mankind by these perverted relationships. Genesis 5 is all about God preserving Himself a seed line that was not corrupted by the sons of God. Noah was in this line.
 
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lol no disagreeing with your theory that angels are Gods sons doesn’t mean I’m calling anyone a liar not you or the apostles.

and yes revelation 12 happened when Christ came to earth that’s already going on

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why we’re at war now they are in the earth and we’re cast out of heaven when Christ was enthroned the war against the church is already happening

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, ( Satan and his angels ) against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s here because this happened

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s this

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why you see the son seated on the throne who was to rule it’s a row of iron

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your not understanding revelation but if you can find one scripture actually calling angels the sins of God I mean actually saying it not having to understand your theory but one scripture calling any angel a son of God I’ll agree with ya

I bet you don’t find that in scripture you will find mankind called the son of God from the beginning

“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭

Adam then had children but at what point are angels and men the same ? Of man is his son are we brothers with angels now ? Is it man who are the children of God or is it angels ? Or maybe both?

many times in scripture man is referred to as the sons of God , and not once are angels referred to as the sons of God

Thats my position. Angels are spirits sent to minister to Mankind who are the hiers of salvation

Satan led a third of then astray when Christ was born they tried to kill him through Herod and then through the many accusations of the law , finally he entered into Judas and betrayed Jesus and Jesus died on the cross but rose up and was seated on his throne where he rules forever
I have not put forth any theory. Nor do I believe the apostles are liars. My question is, can you find anything to prove them to be liars in 1 Corinthians 11:10, 2 Peter 2:4, and Jude 1:6? If you cannot then they are not liars, but if you can then they are.
 

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I have not put forth any theory. Nor do I believe the apostles are liars. My question is, can you find anything to prove them to be liars in 1 Corinthians 11:10, 2 Peter 2:4, and Jude 1:6? If you cannot then they are not liars, but if you can then they are.
I do t need to prove anything of those scriptures they don’t say what your theory is your seeing something not there

but I understand your not willing to consider anything else so probably a waste of our time
 

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“They left their habitation and came to earth, took on a body of flesh, and had sexual relations with the daughters of men.”

yeah that’s what some seem to think but it’s not found in scripture though its a theory. Can you name one scripture in the Bible that says angels are Gods sons ? If it’s true it should say it somewhere without having to leap into things not there

that’s from the book of Enoch specifically the book of the watchers the idea your talking about. It doesn’t say they “ took on flesh bodies “ as you have decided but didn’t God create mans body ? And then man procreated and that’s where flesh and blood comes from ? When did the angels become creators of flesh and blood ?
These angels that visited Lot took on flesh and were known as men.

Genesis 19
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
 

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I have not put forth any theory. Nor do I believe the apostles are liars. My question is, can you find anything to prove them to be liars in 1 Corinthians 11:10, 2 Peter 2:4, and Jude 1:6? If you cannot then they are not liars, but if you can then they are.
here

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that does. It say angels are Gods sons nor does it say they raped women and had kids

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this does not say angels had kids with women or that they are Gods sons

“For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:10‬ ‭

this does not say angels breed with women and had kids nor does it say they are Gods sons

that’s my point to you do find another question your seeing things not there and trying to say I’m calling apostles liars ?????

it doesn’t say what your saying
 
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I do t need to prove anything of those scriptures they don’t say what your theory is your seeing something not there

but I understand your not willing to consider anything else so probably a waste of our time
I have not put forth any theory.

Yes, it is a waste of your time to try to convince me of strange doctrines. I will not be convinced unless it can be proven that Jude, Peter, and Paul are liars. I will even say, I don't believe they are lying for their teachings fit the fullness of the scriptures.
 
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here

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that does. It say angels are Gods sons nor does it say they raped women and had kids

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this does not say angels had kids with women or that they are Gods sons

“For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:10‬ ‭

this does not say angels breed with women and had kids nor does it say they are Gods sons

that’s my point to you do find another question your seeing things not there and trying to say I’m calling apostles liars ?????

it doesn’t say what your saying
So we are agreeing that the apostles are not liars. This is good.

Now two questions emerge.

1. Why does Paul warn women to keep long hair or cover their heads because of the angels?

2. In the Bible prior to the three apotles' lifetime is there an event recorded in the Bible in which angels forsook their habitation in the heavens and fell and were subsequently thrown into hell in chains of darkness where they can do nothing anymore until the great day of the Lord?
 

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These angels that visited Lot took on flesh and were known as men.

Genesis 19
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
yeah that’s two of the three persons of God there

“And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:1-3, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

two of the three persons of the lord went and appeared to them. Again that’s not calling angels Gods sons or showing that angels are flesh and blood it’s a foretelling of the father son and Holy Ghost in one

notice they all speak as one ? Abraham recognizes theee men but speaks as of its one ? Two of them go one stays with Abraham they appear as both angels and men. But it’s the lord and his three persons as one