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Thewatchman

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Then I stand corrected
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My concern for him is where is he getting his teaching that he would thank this way; and is he really ready to stand at the end if he is here. That is between him and the Lord I just want him to test the fruit and see if it comes from the right tree.

Here is what was said

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

Your bowels, your bowels!

Nobody understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit. ...
 

Cameron143

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T.Y.
My concern for him is where is he getting his teaching that he would thank this way; and is he really ready to stand at the end if he is here. That is between him and the Lord I just want him to test the fruit and see if it comes from the right tree.

Here is what was said

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

Your bowels, your bowels!

Nobody understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit. ...
I was confused by what he wrote and put the best possible spin on it to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Having seen it again I'm just as confused as the first time.
 

Thewatchman

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Me to but if he is open I do want to try and help him understand the truth. I do not thank he is a bad person but one that has been misled by bad teaching.
 

Cameron143

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Me to but if he is open I do want to try and help him understand the truth. I do not thank he is a bad person but one that has been misled by bad teaching.
That's an admirable goal and a worthy exercise.
 

Thewatchman

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It really is between him and God but here to help if I can and he wants it.
 

Evmur

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What you are trying to say is that people like Paul before He was struck down by Jesus had no understanding of the scriptures becase He did not have the Holy Spirit, NOT SO
To understand the scriptures is to understand that the scripture speaks about Christ ... Saul of Tarsus persecuted Christ
 

Thewatchman

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To understand the scriptures is to understand that the scripture speaks about Christ ... Saul of Tarsus persecuted Christ
To understand the scriptures is to understand that the scripture speaks about Christ ... Saul of Tarsus persecuted Christ.


You are right but then what happened to him. He was struck down by God and God changed him. God was then able to use him to write most of the new testament letters. That is not the conversion we all go through. Paul was the only Apostle that him main work was with the gentiles; the others worked mainly with the Jews “The tribe of Judah”


That does not answer the questions or explain your other statements.
 

Evmur

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To understand the scriptures is to understand that the scripture speaks about Christ ... Saul of Tarsus persecuted Christ.


You are right but then what happened to him. He was struck down by God and God changed him. God was then able to use him to write most of the new testament letters. That is not the conversion we all go through. Paul was the only Apostle that him main work was with the gentiles; the others worked mainly with the Jews “The tribe of Judah”


That does not answer the questions or explain your other statements.
after he was struck down and changed, he was filled with the Holy Spirit .... then he understood the scriptures
 

Pilgrimshope

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No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.
The Holy Spirit preached the gospel

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:31