Questions about reaching an agnostic

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Pilgrimshope

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I agree, I told her that verse before actually. God wants her to look for Him.

In my honest opinion, atheists don't really have any convincing arguments to satisfy the burden of proof for their claims. Atheist/theist arguments tend to quickly turn into a bunch of whataboutism in an effort to delegitimize the other.

It's just a difficult position to defend. I find that many people prefer a agnostic or theist position.
yes brother I couldn’t agree more with all you have said

for me I think this comes into play and it’s why we truly need to receive the gospel and the holy spirit the way Christ taught believers a new way to understand God the father the right way to understand his judgements

“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man,

but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:11-16‬ ‭

What happens when we begin to believe the gospel Jesus preached is our minds begin to change into spiritual thinking and we can begin tinker our faith grow but the atheist and agnostic , they have continually rejected this spirit that’s offered to believers of the gospel

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To quicken means “ to revive or bring to life or empower to become active “
When Jesus makes such a point about his words jeering and believing them it’s because he told us how to actually understand and know God for our own self by imparting his thinking in ours to heal what Satan did To us the mind Paul’s speaking of is the same thing johns referring to

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.

This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m definately nothing but a fool hoping for salvstion , but it seems like all we need to do is hear and believe Jesus and let him correct our understanding and then our lives will gradually from “ faith to faith “ fall
It online as he does his work because we believe
 

Pilgrimshope

Well-known member
Sep 2, 2020
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#42
yes brother I couldn’t agree more with all you have said

for me I think this comes into play and it’s why we truly need to receive the gospel and the holy spirit the way Christ taught believers a new way to understand God the father the right way to understand his judgements

“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man,

but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:11-16‬ ‭

What happens when we begin to believe the gospel Jesus preached is our minds begin to change into spiritual thinking and we can begin tinker our faith grow but the atheist and agnostic , they have continually rejected this spirit that’s offered to believers of the gospel

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To quicken means “ to revive or bring to life or empower to become active “
When Jesus makes such a point about his words jeering and believing them it’s because he told us how to actually understand and know God for our own self by imparting his thinking in ours to heal what Satan did To us the mind Paul’s speaking of is the same thing johns referring to

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.

This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m definately nothing but a fool hoping for salvstion , but it seems like all we need to do is hear and believe Jesus and let him correct our understanding and then our lives will gradually from “ faith to faith “ fall
It online as he does his work because we believe
sorry bro I totally strayed from the subject of athirst and agnostics lol apologies what I meant about that was I think they fall into this area is what makes it so difficult to convert them

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when a believer speaks of God sending his son , it is to them , like when a scientist tells us “crearion evolved from sludge by accident from an unknown bang billions of years ago there is no God we proved the Bible wrong “

to you or I that’s foolishness and we repent deeply for their belief , but to them they think the gospel we believe is foolishness in thier heart because they rejected the Holy Spirit when he offered and remain in the cursed blinded creation whereas believers become born again of the spirit and have their eyes opened to truth the atheist and agnostic remain blind based solely on their rejection of the light in the world

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬