Fair enough.
What part of 2 Thess 1 would you like to talk about?
2 Thessalonians 1:
1Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
And Revelation too.
Perceived inconsistencies. You must realize that pre-trib seems completely consistent to me. It is "post-trib" that seems inconsistent to me. So many high hurdles and work-arounds needed to keep this post-trib stuff alive (eg. Placing the wedding on Earth.) Why should I spend my time jousting other people's ideas when Scripture is so clear - that we, the Bride, experience a rapture, glorification, wedding, putting on of robes, and then a triumphant return with Jesus to reign with Him on Earth. Going up and down at the same time is such an odd contrivance.
You may consider the Time of the Second Coming as two events within the space of 7 years. I have no problem with that.
"tear"? Really? We wouldn't want to couch it in terms of "two stages". No drama in that. (I'm sure I have done the same thing, but it is good to check each other.)
Only once does he come down to Earth. (The clouds and sky are the first Heaven.)
Sure, but not with glorified bodies. We shall all be changed in the twinkling of an eye. The bodies will be raised and changed. No disputing that.
Yes! But only one coming to Earth to reign with Jesus.
It is good to peacefully discuss. Please don't get angry like so many others. I really do feel that all the pieces mesh. That is my perception. I really don't have any doubts, but I do respect you as a person.
What part of 2 Thess 1 would you like to talk about?
2 Thessalonians 1:
1Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
And Revelation too.
Perceived inconsistencies. You must realize that pre-trib seems completely consistent to me. It is "post-trib" that seems inconsistent to me. So many high hurdles and work-arounds needed to keep this post-trib stuff alive (eg. Placing the wedding on Earth.) Why should I spend my time jousting other people's ideas when Scripture is so clear - that we, the Bride, experience a rapture, glorification, wedding, putting on of robes, and then a triumphant return with Jesus to reign with Him on Earth. Going up and down at the same time is such an odd contrivance.
You may consider the Time of the Second Coming as two events within the space of 7 years. I have no problem with that.
"tear"? Really? We wouldn't want to couch it in terms of "two stages". No drama in that. (I'm sure I have done the same thing, but it is good to check each other.)
Only once does he come down to Earth. (The clouds and sky are the first Heaven.)
Sure, but not with glorified bodies. We shall all be changed in the twinkling of an eye. The bodies will be raised and changed. No disputing that.
Yes! But only one coming to Earth to reign with Jesus.
It is good to peacefully discuss. Please don't get angry like so many others. I really do feel that all the pieces mesh. That is my perception. I really don't have any doubts, but I do respect you as a person.
Which is the consistent theme for all who believe in pre-fib rapture.