Reconciling Scripture/Bible As Unified Whole

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We need to be perfectly clear that (1) there are no contradictions in Scripture and (2) all Scripture can be reconciled with (a) the character of God and (b) the character and teachings of Christ.

PERSONAL ENEMIES -- "the command is to love your enemies and turn/offer the other cheek"

ENEMIES OF GOD AND ISRAEL -- "Israel are commanded to utterly annihilate their enemies"
We need to be perfectly clear that (1) there are no contradictions in Scripture and (2) all Scripture can be reconciled with (a) the character of God and (b) the character and teachings of Christ.

PERSONAL ENEMIES -- "the command is to love your enemies and turn/offer the other cheek"

ENEMIES OF GOD AND ISRAEL -- "Israel are commanded to utterly annihilate their enemies"
I see Armageddon coming!
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The Ten Commands form the basis of Christianity, and the whole Bible can be reconciled by removing the books of Moses.
 
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Hate the evil and not the person is a commandment and is very much possible. When a person is born into this world by natural birth, they are totally depraved until God regenerates them by giving them a new spiritual life (Eph 2:5). After a person has been born again they do not lose their depraved nature. Paul tells us of his struggle of the flesh against the Spirit (Rom 7:14-25). The natural man, before he is regenerated has but one nature and that is the nature of man without the ability to understand the things of the Spirit. After they are born again they have two natures, one of the flesh and the other of the Spirit and these two are warring against each other within us until we die a natural death. This is why we must hate the sin and love the sinner of those who are born again.
Apparently, you have not understood the question. There are those that call Evil Good and Good Evil, being Inverts. Is it a secret that there are only 3 types of entities that exist? Do you know what these 3 types are?

Question: Is it not true that the Real Enemies of Elohim/God are the incarnation/embodiment of Evil and in that case there is no separation between the person and the evil?


Isaiah 5:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


Proverbs 2:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
 

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The Ten Commands form the basis of Christianity, and the whole Bible can be reconciled by removing the books of Moses.
Do you know where the Ten Commandments are sir? In the second book of Moses..

God is not happy with you going against His testimony and servant Moses. You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible are to your liking, God is not playing games.
 
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Luke 6:27, But I say unto you which hear, love your enemies (which can be of your own household, Matt 10:36) do good to them that hate you. This commandment to love is directed to the born again enemies.
Luke 14:26 King James Version (KJV)

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


Yeshua/Jesus also commanded us to Hate, as is taught throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. You must Hate, otherwise, you are not a Disciple. What do you think is being taught by this teaching?
 

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Luke 14:26 King James Version (KJV)

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


Yeshua/Jesus also commanded us to Hate, as is taught throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. You must Hate, otherwise, you are not a Disciple. What do you think is being taught by this teaching?
not another one of these situations please

just tell us what you believe or know it means. spit it out

this will go multiple pages of questions without never telling us. ive seen this story here before.
 

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Do you know where the Ten Commandments are sir? In the second book of Moses..

God is not happy with you going against His testimony and servant Moses. You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible are to your liking, God is not playing games.
God brought the people out of Egypt and gave Moses the commandments. Then, Moses promptly disobeyed the commandments. He committed mass murder, he made burnt offerings that the true God abhors, and he made graven images.

I suggest we follow the later commandments of God according to Matthew, and we do not follow the example given by Moses.
 
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They are different covenants and there are more than two covenants....

God made a covenant with Abraham as well, there are many covenants in the Bible. Not just two, dont know where you got that idea from.
Apparently, there are many different views about the number of covenants, that range from 1-12.

Those that have said that there are seven covenants have provided this list:

1) Adamic Covenant
2) Noahic Covenant
3) Abrahamic Covenant
4) Palestinian Covenant
5) Mosaic Covenant
6) Davidic Covenant
7) New Covenant

From whence cometh this confusion about Covenants?


1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version (KJV)

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
 

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Apparently, there are many different views about the number of covenants, that range from 1-12.

Those that have said that there are seven covenants have provided this list:

1) Adamic Covenant
2) Noahic Covenant
3) Abrahamic Covenant
4) Palestinian Covenant
5) Mosaic Covenant
6) Davidic Covenant
7) New Covenant

From whence cometh this confusion about Covenants?


1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version (KJV)

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
I agree with those covenants you listed.
 
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When we read about God punishing or chastening someone it will be directed toward his children whom he loves. Heb 12:6, For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgest every son whom he receiverh. God does not chasten all mankind (Psalms 73:5, They are not in trouble as other men, neither are they PLAGUED like other men). The Greek meaning for Plagued is "divinely punished". There is a religious song written about this called "Farther along". The world that God chastens is the world of his elect.
Are you saying that those who are not part of the Elect receive no punishment for Evil doing?
 
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David's feelings are very understandable, and he is confessing to God how he feels. He asks God to examine him, which is very praiseworthy and in due course he will find guidance, modify his thoughts accordingly and be a better person for it, having in the process of self examination grown in knowledge and grace.
Every serious person claiming to be a follower of Messiah/Christ must honestly and soberly examine against Elohim's/God's Magnificent Standard, as to whether or not they are in the Faith. Consider all that Paul went through and yet he had a very low opinion of himself being measured against Elohim's/God's Magnificent Standard.


2 Corinthians 13:5 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

5 Your ownselves try ye, if ye are in the faith; your ownselves prove ye; do ye not know your ownselves, that Jesus Christ is in you, if ye be not in some respect disapproved of?


1 Corinthians 15:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
 
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not another one of these situations please

just tell us what you believe or know it means. spit it out

this will go multiple pages of questions without never telling us. ive seen this story here before.
The purpose of these questions is to get readers to think deeply about the Scriptures. That's why Yeshua/Jesus gave Parables.


Matthew 13:10-15 King James Version (KJV)

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
 
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We need to be perfectly clear that (1) there are no contradictions in Scripture and (2) all Scripture can be reconciled with (a) the character of God and (b) the character and teachings of Christ.

PERSONAL ENEMIES -- "the command is to love your enemies and turn/offer the other cheek"

ENEMIES OF GOD AND ISRAEL -- "Israel are commanded to utterly annihilate their enemies"
Amen! The Scriptures/Bible is a Unified Whole.

This is good food for thought.
 

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I think that is just an excuse to invade another land. That is like saying God used Hitler to exterminate the Jews. Why do you think God said not to murder! I'm beginning to think Satan is not one evil spirit as I have always thought, I'm beginning to think the majority of people are satanic when I read messages like that. Not saying it represents anyone here, just pointing out the danger of putting words into action.
I think that is just an excuse to invade another land.
Well then you do not believe in the OT account where God ordered the Jews into the land of cannan.. If people want to have an eternal relationship with God then they need to believe God.. If you believe the Hebrews entered the promised land on their on initiative and conqured the peoples of the land and it was their own plan and God did not order them to do so then you don't believe in the God of Abraham as revealed in the Holy Bible..

Murder is unlawful killing.. When God orders the execution of someone then it cannot be called murder.. If one calls it murder then one is accusing God of being a murderer..

I'm beginning to think Satan is not one evil spirit as I have always thought

Are you calling God satan ? Be very careful what accusation you bring against the LORD..

I'm beginning to think the majority of people are satanic when I read messages like that

Are you declaring me to be satanic ? Be very careful what accusation you bring against a Christian..

Not saying it represents anyone here

Seems to me like you are making a lot of very serious and pointed accusations.. But i might be wrong??
 
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Why would satan punish those who reject the will of God??? satan rewards those who oppose the will of God on earth..




Unrepentant sinners will face the penalty.. Repentant sinners who believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He has secured will be forgiven and redeemed..




Job was deemed by God to be a righteous man.. God allowed satan to put jobs righteousness to the test.. Job was not being punished for being in rebellion against God.. Job suffered to prove a point to satan and the angels..

We Christians are also called to be prepared to suffer tribulations from satan and his followers in this world.. Not because God is using satan to punish us for rebelling against God.. Job is an example for all those who will believe Jesus that they will be hated by the worldly for their love of the truth..
Are Satanic rewards given to those who reject the will of Elohim/God punishment? True Disciples will be certainly tested by the Devil/Satan and this serves/benefits to strengthen the will towards Elohim/God.


Proverbs 14:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
 
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Yes the LORD in the OT used people as implements of His wrath.. The Hebrews upon the Canaanites and later the Persians upon the Jews and later the Romans upon the Jews..
Indeed!

Isaiah 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)

5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
 

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Are Satanic rewards given to those who reject the will of Elohim/God punishment?
They are rewards not punishments.. Worldy power, worldly riches, social status, fame.. These are some of the satanic rewards ..

True Disciples will be certainly tested by the Devil/Satan and this serves/benefits to strengthen the will towards Elohim/God.
Yes.. Often they do serve to make Christians draw closer to God..
 

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Indeed!

Isaiah 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)

5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Thank you for posting these confirming verses (y) Great verses, thanks be to God..
 

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I think that is just an excuse to invade another land.
Well then you do not believe in the OT account where God ordered the Jews into the land of cannan.. If people want to have an eternal relationship with God then they need to believe God.. If you believe the Hebrews entered the promised land on their on initiative and conqured the peoples of the land and it was their own plan and God did not order them to do so then you don't believe in the God of Abraham as revealed in the Holy Bible..

Murder is unlawful killing.. When God orders the execution of someone then it cannot be called murder.. If one calls it murder then one is accusing God of being a murderer..

I'm beginning to think Satan is not one evil spirit as I have always thought

Are you calling God satan ? Be very careful what accusation you bring against the LORD..

I'm beginning to think the majority of people are satanic when I read messages like that

Are you declaring me to be satanic ? Be very careful what accusation you bring against a Christian..

Not saying it represents anyone here

Seems to me like you are making a lot of very serious and pointed accusations.. But i might be wrong??
I do not believe the Father who is One with the Son would even contemplate such wickedness.
 

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I do not believe the Father who is One with the Son would even contemplate such wickedness.
Then you do not believe in the Actual God that exists.. The God of Abraham.. The God of the OT and the NT.. You believe in your own created god..