Remarriage Bibically
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L
Not sure what you are saying here..."Grace is not getting what you deserve like eternal life." We don't deserve eternal life.
All we have is undeserved. Grace is being unconditionally accepted based on Jesus Christ. That gives us a totally different standing before God. 1 John 4:17 "By this, love is perfected with us, that we may have confidence in the day of judgment because as He is, so are we in this world. " Please read this.... As HE IS so are WE IN THIS WORLD. Not only later when we get to heaven, but right now in this world. 1 Cor.13:11-12
Grace doesn't work only if we deserve it. And no one who understands grace is setting out to sin but when we do sin, Jesus gave us His righteousness., we are the righteousness of God IN Christ. No one is advocating to sin who truly understands grace.
Cupid I have no clue where you get your information from but to say 73% of black women are on welfare and single mothers? Really????
I wonder what made you look at black people and not all people. Are you implying that more black people attend church than all the other races? Or that black people have more single women on welfare that any other race? I am just trying to get where the quote you made came from.
I wonder what made you look at black people and not all people. Are you implying that more black people attend church than all the other races? Or that black people have more single women on welfare that any other race? I am just trying to get where the quote you made came from.
What I mean is that Grace says what you do not deserve I give to you anyway such as eternal life.
If we are made righteous then we must also live that way.
Question, I stole something and I keep it does that make it mine because I have repented?
Or if I stole and repented and stole again am I already forgiven because I asked for forgiveness one time?
The reason I used the same sex marriage earlier is because God said same sex are not to have sex.
God also said adultery is wrong
Now if the same sex couple is wrong and must depart even if they have kids and been together for many years, how can the adulterer be any different??
If we are made righteous then we must also live that way.
Question, I stole something and I keep it does that make it mine because I have repented?
Or if I stole and repented and stole again am I already forgiven because I asked for forgiveness one time?
The reason I used the same sex marriage earlier is because God said same sex are not to have sex.
God also said adultery is wrong
Now if the same sex couple is wrong and must depart even if they have kids and been together for many years, how can the adulterer be any different??
K
Sinning is never acceptable or allowed...................
True repentance means you no longer commit that sin/s....................
All sins accept for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is forgivable.................
If we go and start making forgivable sins unforgivable then we have strayed from the truth, as it comes to remarriage if the sin of fornication/adultery/sexual immorality was the cause for the divorce that relieves both parties from committing sin if they remarry or marry another.
True repentance means you no longer commit that sin/s....................
All sins accept for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is forgivable.................
If we go and start making forgivable sins unforgivable then we have strayed from the truth, as it comes to remarriage if the sin of fornication/adultery/sexual immorality was the cause for the divorce that relieves both parties from committing sin if they remarry or marry another.
L
He remembers our sin NO MORE. Grace doesn't work ONLY when we deserve it. Grace by it's very definition is for when we mess up and we mess up all the time if not outwardly we do not always have perfect thinking. The gift of grace is needed in order to live soberly righteously and godly in this present age... So understanding how we have it is essential.
The way you describe grace iwant2serve is not grace. We need grace every day of our lives even as born again believers. God has given us grace to live and move in. No condemnation when we deserve condemnation., no judgment when we deserve judgment. Jesus took those penalties already. Now we must learn to rest in Him. We now work to REST.
If you are righteous., you will seek to do righteously. if you stole you will seek to steal no more. That will be your goal. Before we were born again, we were guilty of our sins. We had to carry the guilt and penalty of our sins outwardly and inwardly. But when we were born into the family of God., by the redemption Jesus gave us., we are now IN the family and under GRACE not law. You live and move in the ARK of safety. If you sin, you sin in the ark. You're not splashing around on the outside of the ark with the unsaved un-redeemed who do not have the righteousness of Jesus. Provision has been made for us.
Yes, we are already and fully forgiven for every sin past - present and future. All covered. Thank You Jesus.
G
Reading these posts all hold much validity. The sanctity of marriage is vital especially when God is placed in the center. I come sharing my own personal story over ten years ago of marrying a devote atheist. Keeping it brief: I became spiritually exhausted with his lies, stealing and immortals of all sorts. The more I tried to force the communication of a solid relationship, the more he fought in anger.
On one fateful day; my Holy Spirit came upon me: 'you have two choices, stay and you will grow old yet still more miserable; or leave and you will die young yet happy.'
I was of course sceptical so that night I asked my then husband: do you know my favourite colour? He did not know. Do you know my birthday? He did not know. Do you EVEN know my middle name? He could only remember it started with an 'M'. That week I left him with no regrets. After a week of separating from him he was already dating someone else.
For months I felt like a failure, like a huge black mark upon my chest! Worthless and unwanted! But guess who came to me in those times of darkness, GOD!!! HE reminded me that I was still valuable and still held a purpose.
So pray in these times!! What reminded me was the whole chapter ISAIAH 59; The Lord's arm is not too weak to save you. (I was literally sinning being with a man against God.)
God has completely blessed my life now; remarried with a man God placed into my path, three beautiful children and a most Gracious relationship with God!!! HIS promptings fill me with such joy and amazing friends. God bless!!
On one fateful day; my Holy Spirit came upon me: 'you have two choices, stay and you will grow old yet still more miserable; or leave and you will die young yet happy.'
I was of course sceptical so that night I asked my then husband: do you know my favourite colour? He did not know. Do you know my birthday? He did not know. Do you EVEN know my middle name? He could only remember it started with an 'M'. That week I left him with no regrets. After a week of separating from him he was already dating someone else.
For months I felt like a failure, like a huge black mark upon my chest! Worthless and unwanted! But guess who came to me in those times of darkness, GOD!!! HE reminded me that I was still valuable and still held a purpose.
So pray in these times!! What reminded me was the whole chapter ISAIAH 59; The Lord's arm is not too weak to save you. (I was literally sinning being with a man against God.)
God has completely blessed my life now; remarried with a man God placed into my path, three beautiful children and a most Gracious relationship with God!!! HIS promptings fill me with such joy and amazing friends. God bless!!
Here's the link which I found interesting because it means 3 out of 4 black kids are bastard kids.
And they fill our inner cities which is a dangerous place today.
How the Welfare State Has Devastated African Americans - Discover the Networks
The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution.
The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty.
Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.7% of all arrests for homicide, 31.8% of arrests for forcible rape, 33.5% of arrests for aggravated assault, and 55% of arrests for robbery. Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (about 3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.
(Bill Cosby got me to look up this stuff because he telling the Black families that they were messin up.)
And they fill our inner cities which is a dangerous place today.
How the Welfare State Has Devastated African Americans - Discover the Networks
The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution.
The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty.
Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.7% of all arrests for homicide, 31.8% of arrests for forcible rape, 33.5% of arrests for aggravated assault, and 55% of arrests for robbery. Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (about 3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.
(Bill Cosby got me to look up this stuff because he telling the Black families that they were messin up.)
L
I'm very glad that you found forgiveness and that your life is blessed now with a man God placed in your life and gave you 3 beautiful children. I'm confused however about what you said about getting 2 choices..."stay and you will grow old yet still more miserable; or leave and you will die young yet happy" ???
L
Yes, we will all stand before God and those of us who have Jesus Christ will know we have been forgiven. The things we did or didn't do will determine what rewards we get or don't get. But God's love is ours and we can meet Him with full confidence because Jesus righteousness has been imputed to us. And the HolySpirit has sealed us and been teaching us how to walk in the grace of God while we were here on earth growing in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Each one of us come from different backrounds and have been through different circumstances when it comes to family and marriage. We can be so thankful each day for His grace and forgiveness in our lives and how Jesus met every single holy requirement when He lived and died and rose again.
I'm not looking for you to change your stance on divorce and remarriage iwant2serve. I'm thankful for what Jesus has done for us and that no sin is too big for Jesus to forgive.
G
Well you've posted quite an interesting topic and I believe the more people communicate, the more you see people as humans that are unfortunately driven to sin. Everyday I thank Jesus for His divine salvation and His immense love!!
In the book of Samuel we have to remember; King Saul was chosen as the first king by prophet Samuel for the people. God thought Saul would make a good king; although good traits he succumbed to ego and jealousy. Why did he fall prey to arrogance, because Saul was too perfect. He was not humble, and he couldn't relate to others struggles. Saul did as he wanted and suffered because of it. God turned from King Saul.
We we have to be mindful we live in a sinful world and many fall to temptation. Matthew 18:12-14 Parable of the Lost Sheep: Even if a man have one hundred sheep and one of them have gone stray, does he not leave the 99 and go into the mountains to find which have strayed? And if he finds it, verily he rejoices more of that sheep than of the 99 that did not stray.
May you find peace iwant2serve, and remember God knows His sheep. Many blessings to you!!
In the book of Samuel we have to remember; King Saul was chosen as the first king by prophet Samuel for the people. God thought Saul would make a good king; although good traits he succumbed to ego and jealousy. Why did he fall prey to arrogance, because Saul was too perfect. He was not humble, and he couldn't relate to others struggles. Saul did as he wanted and suffered because of it. God turned from King Saul.
We we have to be mindful we live in a sinful world and many fall to temptation. Matthew 18:12-14 Parable of the Lost Sheep: Even if a man have one hundred sheep and one of them have gone stray, does he not leave the 99 and go into the mountains to find which have strayed? And if he finds it, verily he rejoices more of that sheep than of the 99 that did not stray.
May you find peace iwant2serve, and remember God knows His sheep. Many blessings to you!!
B
It clearly says... divorce for sexual immorality is acceptable. If a man divorces his wife without cause HE bears the guilt for her subsequent marriage. A woman is not supposed to leave her husband... if she does she is to reconcile to him. A woman who divorces her husband has usurped God's order and a man should not marry her as she is to be reconciled back to her husband or remain unmarried.
The patriarchal order is written into the scriptures if you will LOOK at it and stop reading the scriptures as if men and women are equal in authority. A man who puts away a wife without cause bears the guilt... the woman is not the covenant breaker... the husband is. Christians are NOT BOUND to unbelievers... and a man who breaks covenant with his wife by divorce without cause IS NOT A BELIEVER, he is an adulterer <in his heart>!
Women BELIEVERS are told NOT to leave the husband unless it is to be RECONCILED (sometimes there are real safety and abuse reasons for separation period) or remain UNMARRIED (exiled widowhood)... a woman who divorces to seek another husband IS AN ADULTERER <in her heart>.
There is NO forbidding of a man to take another wife if his wife LEAVES HIM and desires to not be reconciled and remain unmarried. God doesn't FORCE you to stay married... but he gives CLEAR instructions about if, how and to whom.
Jesus dealt with the HEART OF THE MATTER in the teaching and you are missing the "SPIRIT" of the scripture and only reading the "LETTER"... do you understand that?
While marriage is a HOLY institution I suggest you reflect on the purpose and intent of the creator and not make marriage an IDOL over the principals it is the arena for in the kingdom.
The patriarchal order is written into the scriptures if you will LOOK at it and stop reading the scriptures as if men and women are equal in authority. A man who puts away a wife without cause bears the guilt... the woman is not the covenant breaker... the husband is. Christians are NOT BOUND to unbelievers... and a man who breaks covenant with his wife by divorce without cause IS NOT A BELIEVER, he is an adulterer <in his heart>!
Women BELIEVERS are told NOT to leave the husband unless it is to be RECONCILED (sometimes there are real safety and abuse reasons for separation period) or remain UNMARRIED (exiled widowhood)... a woman who divorces to seek another husband IS AN ADULTERER <in her heart>.
There is NO forbidding of a man to take another wife if his wife LEAVES HIM and desires to not be reconciled and remain unmarried. God doesn't FORCE you to stay married... but he gives CLEAR instructions about if, how and to whom.
Jesus dealt with the HEART OF THE MATTER in the teaching and you are missing the "SPIRIT" of the scripture and only reading the "LETTER"... do you understand that?
While marriage is a HOLY institution I suggest you reflect on the purpose and intent of the creator and not make marriage an IDOL over the principals it is the arena for in the kingdom.
I think that determining what is right concerning divorce should not be done using a rule book; any more than concerning any other issue of life. Jesus teachings give us principles to guide our decision making. The indwelling Holy Spirit gives us additional guidance. Because Jesus has said: John 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
KJV
and John 15:11-12
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
KJV
We may conclude that when the principles and ideals of Jesus' teachings are not applied to promote joyous abundant life; they are misapplied.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
KJV
and John 15:11-12
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
KJV
We may conclude that when the principles and ideals of Jesus' teachings are not applied to promote joyous abundant life; they are misapplied.