Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

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ladylynn

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Hi Ben,

I use to run with the Grace crowd but have had a slight change. I can tell you from experience there are a lot of Hyper Grace people who do believe you can do whatever you want because they are covered no matter what. I'm not saying it is this way with all but a number of them do believe this.

I don't see anything wrong with confessing our sins to God. Yes he has already forgiven us but for me I feel if I don't confess them then I might start feeling insensitive to my sins, if that makes any sense.


I will always walk and then run in the grace of God or I would die. I don't believe in sinning in grace. That's like beating up Jesus. Who would do that on purpose and then justify themselves? A person with a proper concept of God's love (grace) will be learning how to be taught by grace., not be led astray by grace. Proper grace and truth will not lead us astray. Those people you knew who believe they can do whatever they want because they are covered by grace are not being taught by grace.

When I find I've done something wrong OR when I'm weak and was not loving someone like I should, I tell God I'm so sorry Lord! Help me be more like you and love them with your grace too. Then He gives me a revelation of His love for me and uses my circumstances to teach how He loves me and it brings me up high again so loving them is real because I know God loves them!!. Grace is a very strange yet amazing thing.
 
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This is kind of scary when you consider that gluttony is probably the most-mentioned specific sin in the Bible... and most of us are overweight......................... and don't seriously plan to change that. LOL
I think deep down most people who over eat feel some sort of remorse for that area in their life. I could be wrong but I know when I started gaining more weight I didn't feel it was right and still don't.

I also feel Gluttony means more than being over weight. It is over indulgence of something so it can be anything not necessarily food.
 
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How do we so consistently spell, "RATIONALIZE?" LOL
 
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This is kind of scary when you consider that gluttony is probably the most-mentioned specific sin in the Bible... and most of us are overweight......................... and don't seriously plan to change that. LOL
Really, I never knew that! Don't be too hard on yourself with so much of our food being modified like the wheat, it is much easier to put on weight. At least that is what I have been told. LOL
 
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That is the difference though. You knew you were sinning and wanted to stop but couldn't. The only way to truly stop sinning is fighting it spiritually and physically. We can't do it on our own. I will give an example of what I am talking about.

I was on a Facebook page for Andrew Wommack. I was in a discussion on sin and turning from it and a gentleman I was speaking with said he was a Christian and believed in the hyper grace theology. He was supporting others in the discussion that no matter what we do we are covered if we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. I agreed that people make mistakes and sins and they are covered by the blood of Jesus. He then went on to say a Christian could live in continuous sin and felt it was ok to do so. Well to make a long story short this gentleman was an active homosexual who lived with his partner and they were both (claiming to be) born again Christians. They felt no shame for what they were doing and felt it was totally ok to be the way they are because no matter what they did they were covered under Grace.

This is the type of nonsense I don't agree with and believe the bible specifically says these type of Christians are not Christians but have fallen in the false conversion area.
I don't know. This has the ability to tie me up in knots if I let it.
It seems this man was saying he knew it was a sin but that Gods grace meant he could keep sinning anyway. I think it would be better to believe it wasn't a sin than to think it was a sin but didn't matter...

As I showed with my experience, I didn't know defending myself was a sin at first. Then I did know it was a sin but couldn't stop it even though I did know...but I didn't ever say to myself, well, it's a sin but it doesn't matter that I am sinning.

But just because I never went through that particular reasoning doesn't mean I'm willing to condemn that homosexual man. Am I going to condemn him for not being given the grace to see that I've been given? That would be arrogance to me and I can't do it.

Yeah, big knots. It's best for me to not worry about his sin and stick to my own...I don't agree with the thought that Gods grace is license to go on sinning. Of all the accusations of this that fly back and forth, this example you gave is the only actual case of it I have seen. He verbally expressed that it was okay to go on sinning because grace covered it...
 
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We, as Christians, should repent whenever the Holy Spirit convicts us to do so; sincerely and many times, if necessary.
Didn't Jesus say to forgive our brothers " seventy times seven times? "

BUT the power of repentance is when we realize OUR WHOLE WAY OF INDEPENDENT LIVING needs to die; not just little things, one-by-one, which we sense are wrong.
Example: A person driving down the highway of life realizes he is going in the wrong direction: he's been driving south from New York when he should have been going north. He's passed Philly, Washington DC, then Atlanta.
It does him little good to feel sorry he's passed Philly, Washington and Atlanta; his emotional distress about this will effect nothing, change nothing. What he NEEDS to do is to simply realize the truth : he's been driving the TOTALLY WRONG WAY. He needs to make the decision to turn around and DRIVE NORTH! He needs to realize the ENTIRE DIRECTION of his driving has been wrong; then simply get on the right road, in the opposite direction, and go north.

"Whatsoever is not of faith is sin ( Ro 14: 23b ) "

ALL INDEPENDENT LIVING DONE APART FROM A CONNECTION WITH GOD IS SINFUL.

Independent living began in the garden of Eden when we chose to act independently of God by deciding for ourselves - apart from God - those actions which we considered to be good or evil. We ate from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

As a result of so doing we died to our connection with God, the Tree of Life. Consequently, ALL of our subsequent actions were sinful, irregardless of whether they appeared to be good or evil.
Even an altruistic philanthropist is sinning if what he does is not arising from a connection with God ( faith ).
" all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags ( Is 64:6 ) " if they are done apart from faith.
OUR WHOLE LIFE of deciding for ourselves what is good or evil apart from a connection from God needs repentance.
When we are given a revelation of this truth - THEN our repentance will have true power.
 
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Really, I never knew that! Don't be too hard on yourself with so much of our food being modified like the wheat, it is much easier to put on weight. At least that is what I have been told. LOL
You're a good speller, too. LOL
 
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I don't know. This has the ability to tie me up in knots if I let it.
It seems this man was saying he knew it was a sin but that Gods grace meant he could keep sinning anyway. I think it would be better to believe it wasn't a sin than to think it was a sin but didn't matter...

As I showed with my experience, I didn't know defending myself was a sin at first. Then I did know it was a sin but couldn't stop it even though I did know...but I didn't ever say to myself, well, it's a sin but it doesn't matter that I am sinning.

But just because I never went through that particular reasoning doesn't mean I'm willing to condemn that homosexual man. Am I going to condemn him for not being given the grace to see that I've been given? That would be arrogance to me and I can't do it.

Yeah, big knots. It's best for me to not worry about his sin and stick to my own...I don't agree with the thought that Gods grace is license to go on sinning. Of all the accusations of this that fly back and forth, this example you gave is the only actual case of it I have seen. He verbally expressed that it was okay to go on sinning because grace covered it...
To me the bible is pretty specific on this subject. We aren't condemning this person the Word of God is. Grace provided this scripture earlier in this thread 1 Corinthians 5.
 
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To me the bible is pretty specific on this subject. We aren't condemning this person the Word of God is. Grace provided this scripture earlier in this thread 1 Corinthians 5.
I'm okay with the word of God condemning him. I'm not okay with me doing it though, because I would be where he was if not for Gods' mercy toward me. I can't use that mercy to then condemn anyone else. I find that I am literally not capable of it...
 
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I'm okay with the word of God condemning him. I'm not okay with me doing it though, because I would be where he was if not for Gods' mercy toward me. I can't use that mercy to then condemn anyone else. I find that I am literally not capable of it...
And there is nothing wrong with that. All we have to do is point ourselves and others toward scripture. The Word of God will do the rest.
 
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I will still be on my knees.. Because I will see him as he is,, And see myself as I am (and I will see a far more sinful person than I think I am even now)

Jesus will come tell me to get up. Like he did Daniel and John.. But I can't see me walking forward..

Then I am going to partake in the greatest party mankind has ever seen!!


It is interesting to read how different Christians see this truth EG and I understand what you mean. For myself, I struggle with always remembering minute by minute and being REALLY cognoscente about who God declares I am now IN Christ. I see how really awful I am in the flesh because it is right before my face. How weak and even beggarly I feel at times.

And it is at those times my faith is low and my walk is weak. (what good is that?) During those 'dips' I'm basically a worthless Christian wherever I go because I'm thinking of ME ME ME ME.
:confused: When I go to work in that sort of mind set I have nothing to offer anyone. My faith is weak so I'm not declaring how mighty the Lord is and how great His power is to save and transform... Since I'm not walking in His transforming power at those times. I'm walking in my weakness and my own self doubt and assessment of me and the world around me. (let not that man think he shall receive any thing from God because without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.)

I see what a WASTE those emotions are and come to find out it is the good fight of faith to stay out of that fleshy worthless mindset. Because let me say., when I'm thinking about what Jesus did and what He says I am and not what I see I am., all those rotten self condemning thoughts go away and truly in my weakness I am strong because I see His assessment of the situation, and His assessment of me (loved and cared for,safe and secure and beautiful) and wow I'm lifted up and able again. That verse in Psalms about mounting up with wings like an eagle is a reality., I know what that means! We can run and not be weary and not faint!

So based on His ability to lift me up up up and out of dead works and into His living works I know this is the way to go. Forgetting those things which ARE BEHIND (our flesh and it's dead works) and pressing on, stretching forward to the High calling.,the UPWARD CALL of God in Christ.

Don't have my Amplified Bible with me tonight but those verses come to mind. There is no way I could stand to go back to being the Christian I was before getting a revelation of the grace of God in Christ. Never measuring up and living day in and day out in condemnation begging God to forgive me., when all along He did already IN Christ when I first believed., but I was not walking in the truth so I was missing it.

It isn't God's fault when we don't believe and take Him at His word for good and amazing things. When He promises something in His Word, He is good for it. I am walking in unbelief when I don't stand on the promises. And I know many many believers live like this. Having no power at all and no joy in the Holy Spirit.

"Teach me.,show me Thy Word, Thy Word is truth" There is power in believing Him. I'm often shocked how that transforming power actually causes the rooms atmosphere to change where people are. God is evident in our faces and our actions as sons. We ARE a blessing where we go when we allow Jesus to live through us. And we are totally aware of our own weakness when we are walking in His strength - yet NOT condemned OR ashamed anymore. His power working IN us sees we who we are on the one hand but sees who we really are on the other., The righteousness of God IN Christ.

That is a BOLD statement that many believers still can't say yet. It sounds blasphemous without the right context of grace and the knowledge of truth. But those who know about it know what I'm saying.
 
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I agree. I heard on the radio that an old preacher received a letter from a blind listener stating that someone said to her that if she had more faith, she wouldn't be blind. The preacher responded: If you use a cane to get around, the next time you meet that person, hit them with the came. When they yell "ouch" tell them if they had more faith that it wouldn't have hurt.
Not a good idea, but point well made.
 
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So then there are some sins that are not covered? Jesus only did half a job?

Just trying to understand this from a biblical perspective?



The Greek tenses are,
"Our past repented sins have been forgive, and our present and future sins will be forgiven upon repentance".

Jesus died to forgive all the world, [Everyone], 2 Cor 5: 19. 1 Jn 2: 1--2. But it's upon repentance that we receive the remission of sins, Lk 24: 47. Acts 2: 38. 1 Jn 1: 9.

The trouble with you false grace teachers, Is, You quote half truth, which is just as bad as erroneous teachings.
 
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Simply a lie. We are dead to sin. Grace frees us from sinning it doesn't give us license to sin more. Your statement is false and your hatred sad. I know you are not to blame as your ego prevents you from accepting the truth.

What I said wasn't a lie. I have heard them say they can live however they want to, because grace covers all their sins.

One leading hyper grace teachers said,
"When I sin, I'm blessed, because God doesn't count my sins against me, All my sins, past, present and future, HAVE been forgiven".
[End quote].

Grace gives us the power to stop sinning, If grace frees us from sinning, Why do Christians sin??.
The hyper grace teaching, does give people the licence to sin, But when they are challenged about it, They tell lies and say,
"We're not saying that".

They are just like the Catholics, as the Catholic doctrines say one thing, but when challenged, they say, "We're nor saying that"
 
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Nonsense...that is a "construct" of your own mind. I have never heard anyone say to go out and live how you ant because you are under grace. I have listened to over a thousand different messages from believers in the grace of Christ from all different denominations. At least a hundred different teachers and I have never heard one say what you are saying. In fact they say the "complete opposite" of what you are making a false accusation about.



I have heard hyper grace teachers say it,
One leading HG teacher said,
"When I sin, I am blessed, because God isn't counting my sins against me", then he said,
"All my sins, past present and future, have been forgiven".
 
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License to sin is distorted human reasoning, it is basically saying let us do evil that good may come.

Paul had lot to say about people who defamed that message of grace.

Roman 8
:3 Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say,“ - Let us do evil that good may result?” Their condemnation is deserved!

To avoid the truth of grace or defame the message by saying that it may give a person the right to sin is to support the truth which is opposite of grace – which is that the law justifies and Jesus' work was in vain!

This is unbelief in the finished work of Jesus.

Read what Paul says about those who do such…….their condemnation is deserved!

So it is either grace or law it cannot be both.


You are telling that to the wrong person, You should be telling it to the Hyper grace teachers.
 
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Saying that grace through Christs sacrifice for us covers all of our sins is NOT saying God is okay with us sinning. I realize you think that's the end result, but saying the blood covers our sins is not saying sin is AOK.

The Good News is that through Christ there is forgiveness for our sins I don't understand how it is possible to hear that and then say if it is preached, it gives license to sin all you want...the Good News is that through Christ we have forgiveness of our sins and access to God in every time of need. How does that equate in your mind to: your teaching that it's OK to sin all you want to...?

You are telling the wrong person, It's the hyper grace teachers you should be telling.
Their doctrines give people the licence to sin, But when challenged, they say, "We're not saying that".

They are just like the Catholics, as their doctrines say one thing, but when challenged, they say, "We're not saying that".
 
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If GOD has forgivin the person and the person Is born again of the Spirit of GOD and the spirit was made perfect,why would they need to keep asking forgiveness???

I think the person that thinks that by confessing sin after GOD has forgiven them Is asking for forgiveness of things they have done In the flesh, I think thats okay as long as they are In the process of renewing their minds and their focus Is on being conscious of their right standing before GOD and presenting their bodies a living sacrifice,holy,acceptable to GOD,so that they can prove what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.



Amen.



I understand what you are trying to say,but the most powerful part of our make-up Is the spirit.

The spirit gives us life,the flesh does not give life.

Paul said In
Romans 7:20-23
King James Version(KJV)

20.)Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21.)I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22.)For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23.)But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


It's when one repents and confesses their sins, Is when their sins are remitted, Lk 24: 47. Acts 2: 38.

Our spirit will only do what our mind dictates, So our souls, [Mind] is the most powerful part of us.
Our spirit tries to tell us not to do wrong things, Or do right things, But it's our soul, [Will mind and emotions], That does the descending.
 

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I have a simple question for you who think repentance is simply a turning from sin. VVhen you pray to the Lord and tell Him, "Lord I'm sorry for what I've done. I won't do it again, ever. I am so so sorry." are you capable of fulfilling this promise? This oath? Or is it empty? How often have you repented of a particular sin but you continue to repeat it again and again? So then, tell me, what good does your form of repentance serve you when you're still stuck in the same sin over and over again? VVhere is the power in this repentance? VVhat good are the tears, sulking, and show when you are incapable in your flesh to fulfill this promise to God?

That is the way I see your repentance. People have been attacking hyper-grace and saying that its a license to sin (which is false) and also disagreeing with its presentation of repentance ("a change of mind"). Yet, my question is, what good is your repentance? Hasn't history shown the fruit of the traditional concept of repentance? It is void of confidence before the Lord, assurance in salvation, and the love of God (and the grace of God). In some ways it actually completely ignores what Jesus accomplished at the cross. Confession of sin for the sake of forgiveness? Has Christ died in vain? Did not His shed blood give you the remission of your sins?

There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to repentance. It is tainted with religion and self righteousness. It tries to acknowledge Jesus, but treats His blood as if common. Incapable of doing that which God set out to do. Granting us forgiveness, taking our sins away and justifying us before God. Jesus being able as our High Priest to save us completely. All of this is tossed aside for a concept of repentance that deals with sin confession as if it maintains salvation. That is where people should truly repent. Change your mind about sin confession for forgiveness because it misses the mark that is Christ Jesus on that cross paying for your sins. You are forgiven, it is not something you seek. It is found in Christ.

This could go on for another couple paragraphs to define repentance, but I will keep it short. Repentance happens daily, it is through mind renewal. It is, after all, a change of mind. It is coming into agreement with God (yes, even about your sins) and then coming into the reality that Jesus has set you free from sin because you're a new creation. Also too, under grace sin's dominion is broken. So the accusation of licentiousness (license to sin) is unfounded because people are explicitly stating that we are set free from it and are dead to it. VVe don't ignore sin. VVe turn to God for His strength. VVe repent in that of growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. In Him is victory found.
You are such a denier of The Holy Spirit by teaching that falseness above.

And those in the false Hyper-Grace movement that would think saying The Lord's Prayer is to condemn oneself is a high marker of Satanism.
 

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This is kind of scary when you consider that gluttony is probably the most-mentioned specific sin in the Bible... and most of us are overweight......................... and don't seriously plan to change that. LOL
There is a real cruel streak that runs deep through your being........NOW COME OVER HERE AND CLEAN OUT ALL THAT COFFEE YOU JUST MADE ME SPIT OUT ONTO MY LAPTOP!

.......sigh.......