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- Matthew 26:44
And He left them again, and went away and prayed a third time, saying the same thing once more.
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isn't that the passage where HE told them to STAY AWAKE three times and they did not?
the heart of the prayer was the same but the words are different. that is why VAIN repetition where the person repeats over and over again ONE word or phrase is condemned by Jesus in Scripture.
36 Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, “Sit here while I go and pray over there.” 37 And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. 38 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.”
39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”
40 Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
42 Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.” 43 And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy.
44 So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. 45 Then He came to His disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.”
the heart of the prayer was the same but the words are different. that is why VAIN repetition where the person repeats over and over again ONE word or phrase is condemned by Jesus in Scripture.
36 Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, “Sit here while I go and pray over there.” 37 And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. 38 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.”
39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”
40 Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
42 Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.” 43 And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy.
44 So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. 45 Then He came to His disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.”
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Dear Hearer,
Amen, friend. St. Paul said (commanded): "Pray without ceasing."
Strangelove found fault with EO (Eastern Orthodoxy), calling it a temple cult, the "EO cult" (sic).
He cited the Orthodox practice in prayer of praying without ceasing, repeating, several times,
"Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy ..." ETc.
If Christ said something three times, is it wrong for a Christian to say the same thing three times or maybe more?
When is repetition too much?
What is vain repetition.
Christ preached against vain repetition, not against all repetition.
Saying Lord have mercy several times is not vain repetition.
The Lord hears us, no matter how few, or how many, times we pray the prayers, or even the same prayers, Lord have mercy.
When the Lord hears us, He will answer our prayers if it is His will. It's up to Him on whom He will have mercy (Romans 9; Titus 3:5).
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
- Matthew 26:44
And He left them again, and went away and prayed a third time, saying the same thing once more.
Dear Hearer,
Amen, friend. St. Paul said (commanded): "Pray without ceasing."
Strangelove found fault with EO (Eastern Orthodoxy), calling it a temple cult, the "EO cult" (sic).
He cited the Orthodox practice in prayer of praying without ceasing, repeating, several times,
"Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy ..." ETc.
If Christ said something three times, is it wrong for a Christian to say the same thing three times or maybe more?
When is repetition too much?
What is vain repetition.
Christ preached against vain repetition, not against all repetition.
Saying Lord have mercy several times is not vain repetition.
The Lord hears us, no matter how few, or how many, times we pray the prayers, or even the same prayers, Lord have mercy.
When the Lord hears us, He will answer our prayers if it is His will. It's up to Him on whom He will have mercy (Romans 9; Titus 3:5).
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Jesus explaining the parable of the friend at midnight said "I tell you, although he will not rise and give it to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence, he will get up and give him as many as he needs. "I tell you, keep asking, and it will be given you. Keep seeking, and you will find. Keep knocking, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives. He who seeks finds. To him who knocks it will be opened."
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the SAME WORDS applies to what He told His disciples to do: stay awake and pray, instead they fell asleep all three times.
He did NOT pray the same words compare for yourself the prayers. are they the EXACT same words? like I said before the HEART of the prayer is the same but the words are different.
1st one He expressed His wish for the cup to pass but not to have His fleshly will done but God's Heavenly will.
2nd time He acknowledge that it will not pass unless He drinks and accepts that God's will will be done.
3nd time we are not given the words He prays but returns resigned to die on the cross for our sins.
I love this passage of scripture because it shows us that prayer gives Jesus strength to carry out the will of God in His life and how we too can use prayer to gain reassurance and power and comfort to do the hard task God may ask of us to do in His Holy name.
He did NOT pray the same words compare for yourself the prayers. are they the EXACT same words? like I said before the HEART of the prayer is the same but the words are different.
1st one He expressed His wish for the cup to pass but not to have His fleshly will done but God's Heavenly will.
2nd time He acknowledge that it will not pass unless He drinks and accepts that God's will will be done.
3nd time we are not given the words He prays but returns resigned to die on the cross for our sins.
I love this passage of scripture because it shows us that prayer gives Jesus strength to carry out the will of God in His life and how we too can use prayer to gain reassurance and power and comfort to do the hard task God may ask of us to do in His Holy name.
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A person can say the same prayer over and over again and have their heart in it. It only becomes vain when you can no longer put your heart into the prayer. I can say the Our Father with the same devotion and love as when I first learned how to pray it, so does that make it wrong that I still use the same words? Is it wrong that I pray the Psalms since the words never change?
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why do you ask me? why not ask God?
Romans 8
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose
I think to seek wisdom by using shortcuts and illumination of one word by ignoring the context that word is found is a dangerous practice. I think people should study the WHOLE of scripture for wisdom and praying with open hearts but also with minds discerning between truth and lies.
I believe Jesus came to take away our sins not our minds
. Some promote the practice of repeating one word and writing all their thoughts that come and saying ALL those thoughts are from God and should be obeyed like scripture without testing what is revealed to the heart of scripture and God's revealed words. I believe that practice is dangerous and unbibilical.
Romans 8
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose
I think to seek wisdom by using shortcuts and illumination of one word by ignoring the context that word is found is a dangerous practice. I think people should study the WHOLE of scripture for wisdom and praying with open hearts but also with minds discerning between truth and lies.
I believe Jesus came to take away our sins not our minds
. Some promote the practice of repeating one word and writing all their thoughts that come and saying ALL those thoughts are from God and should be obeyed like scripture without testing what is revealed to the heart of scripture and God's revealed words. I believe that practice is dangerous and unbibilical.
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Thats not a Catholic practice that much I can tell you. It sounds like something from one of the liberal Protestant groups. We do things like pray the Psalms or pray prayers that have been written by Saints and others. I personally love praying the Psalms because it's like killing two birds with one stone. I'm praying using the prayerbook God wrote and at the same time through the repetition I'm memorizing the Psalms.
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Yes I found his writings truly wonderful about the importance of prayer. 
Edward McKendree Bounds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Power Through Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Purpose in Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Essentials of Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Necessity of Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Weapon of Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Edward McKendree Bounds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Power Through Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Purpose in Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Essentials of Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Necessity of Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Weapon of Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
- Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]
Matthew 6:6-8 (in Context) Matthew 6 (Whole Chapter)
- Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]
Matthew 6:6-8 (in Context) Matthew 6 (Whole Chapter)
- Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]
Matthew 6:6-8 (in Context) Matthew 6 (Whole Chapter)
There's a difference in reminding God of your prayer as opposed to repeated babel as of rosary beads lets say. Or having a whole church mime in together in what some call the Lords prayer.
None of us heard what the Lord prayed for hours when he talked to his Father none of us.
