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You are the victim of some really bad teaching that told you every time you read "the day of the lord" in the bible, it means the last day of judgment when the lord returns. GOD help you to get untangled from that lie.
FWIW, I just looked at every instance "the day of the lord" appears in the writings of the prophets in the King James bible (your welcome), and I found that the phrase "the day of the lord" does not occur in those verses in the Hebrew. Your whole eschatology is built upon a bad translation of the Hebrew.
FWIW, I just looked at every instance "the day of the lord" appears in the writings of the prophets in the King James bible (your welcome), and I found that the phrase "the day of the lord" does not occur in those verses in the Hebrew. Your whole eschatology is built upon a bad translation of the Hebrew.
actually, they were post-mill. The period they referred to occurred AFTER the second coming of Christ. Pre-,mill is before the Second Coming of Christ.
Never denied it. I pointed it out long time ago, but no one has yet shown any evidence that the Church held this view ever or any related to it. As I pointed out also, the Church would not have condemned it if it was actually teaching of the Church.
Never denied it. I pointed it out long time ago, but no one has yet shown any evidence that the Church held this view ever or any related to it. As I pointed out also, the Church would not have condemned it if it was actually teaching of the Church.
H
It has to come to our minds, that God is the one author of the whole Bible; Therefore there can NOT be any contradictions in the whole Bible. All the Bible must be correlated together as a whole. The new Bible books must interpret the old books. The last book, Revelation of Jesus Christ, beautifully pulls all the prophesies together. Unfortunately, not many persons follow the outline in Rev. 1:19. Love to all. Hoffco
That's funny, because in those later Church father's writings, they proclaim the early father's belief in Christ's thousand years reign after His second coming was the majority held view by those directly associated with Apostle John.
What actually happened per that evidence in their writings is the opposite of what you say. The 1st/2nd century Church fathers had the pre-mill doctrine prior to later ideas like amillennialism creeping in. One of the major enemies the 1st/2nd century Church fathers rebuked and pronounced as heresy were the Gnostics that tried to mix their Neo-Platonist ideas in with NT Christian doctrine. So early on the corruptors began creeping into the Church by the 3rd and 4th centuries and changing what the majority of 1st/2nd century Church fathers held to.
What actually happened per that evidence in their writings is the opposite of what you say. The 1st/2nd century Church fathers had the pre-mill doctrine prior to later ideas like amillennialism creeping in. One of the major enemies the 1st/2nd century Church fathers rebuked and pronounced as heresy were the Gnostics that tried to mix their Neo-Platonist ideas in with NT Christian doctrine. So early on the corruptors began creeping into the Church by the 3rd and 4th centuries and changing what the majority of 1st/2nd century Church fathers held to.
DP,
You can try to rationalize it to make it say what you want them to say but the historical fact is that the Church never held it as a belief from the beginning.
Corrupters consistantly tried to change the Gospel but were never successful. Man has tried valiantly to change it but the Gospel has remained unified and unchanged from the beginning. If it had not you might as well be a Mormon or Muslin since the Holy Spirit would have failed in His mission to preserve the Gospel unchanged as He promised as well as the Church over which Christ rules.
God's Revelation was not given to individual men or that individual men have authority over His Revelation as you practice. Which is why you have no authority but your own intellectual ability to determine what the Book means that was never written for individual man. God's Revelation was given to the Church, the Apostles as the foundation, and thus the Church, because Christ is its Head and the Holy Spirit enlivens that Body is the source of that Truth, the guardian of that Truth, not individual men.
One would need to assume that the Holy Spirit got it wrong and then corrected Himself by having the teaching declared heretical thus changing His mind. The Holy Spirit does not work as sola scripturist proclaim and the consequence is such a vast confusion, chaos and division that the Bible becomes nothing more than a source of ideas from which man can devise his own sectarian religion.
Why would you even attempt to rationalize the modern view with a few Church Fathers that is not even close to anything being espoused today. The fact that it is so different, and yet not a consensus can hardly be thought of as part of God's unchanging Revelation that was given once. Jude 3, as well as the fact that the Holy Spirit does not give revelation to individual men in the Messianic era. He gave it once, complete, and has guarded it ever since by His authority not individual men.
If you can actually show that the Church ceased to exist and the Revelation corrupted, then Satan has succeeded and the Holy Spirit failed. But history has manifested clearly that neither is true. Outside of the authority of Christ and the Holy Spirit working in and through His Body, man has become the supreme authority over a Book. Man's authority has run amuck and virtually made the Bible null and void because it has been smashed by the thousands of personal interpretations. You cannot tell Truth from fiction. If a man disagrees with another, just set up a whole new sectarian religion according to his own dictates. Personal opinion passes as Truth and the consequence is all becomes tolerable and viable as Truth since the actual Truth cannot be determined. The contrast between the work of the Holy Spirit and that of man is stark as history is the testament to both authorities.
You can try to rationalize it to make it say what you want them to say but the historical fact is that the Church never held it as a belief from the beginning.
Corrupters consistantly tried to change the Gospel but were never successful. Man has tried valiantly to change it but the Gospel has remained unified and unchanged from the beginning. If it had not you might as well be a Mormon or Muslin since the Holy Spirit would have failed in His mission to preserve the Gospel unchanged as He promised as well as the Church over which Christ rules.
God's Revelation was not given to individual men or that individual men have authority over His Revelation as you practice. Which is why you have no authority but your own intellectual ability to determine what the Book means that was never written for individual man. God's Revelation was given to the Church, the Apostles as the foundation, and thus the Church, because Christ is its Head and the Holy Spirit enlivens that Body is the source of that Truth, the guardian of that Truth, not individual men.
One would need to assume that the Holy Spirit got it wrong and then corrected Himself by having the teaching declared heretical thus changing His mind. The Holy Spirit does not work as sola scripturist proclaim and the consequence is such a vast confusion, chaos and division that the Bible becomes nothing more than a source of ideas from which man can devise his own sectarian religion.
Why would you even attempt to rationalize the modern view with a few Church Fathers that is not even close to anything being espoused today. The fact that it is so different, and yet not a consensus can hardly be thought of as part of God's unchanging Revelation that was given once. Jude 3, as well as the fact that the Holy Spirit does not give revelation to individual men in the Messianic era. He gave it once, complete, and has guarded it ever since by His authority not individual men.
If you can actually show that the Church ceased to exist and the Revelation corrupted, then Satan has succeeded and the Holy Spirit failed. But history has manifested clearly that neither is true. Outside of the authority of Christ and the Holy Spirit working in and through His Body, man has become the supreme authority over a Book. Man's authority has run amuck and virtually made the Bible null and void because it has been smashed by the thousands of personal interpretations. You cannot tell Truth from fiction. If a man disagrees with another, just set up a whole new sectarian religion according to his own dictates. Personal opinion passes as Truth and the consequence is all becomes tolerable and viable as Truth since the actual Truth cannot be determined. The contrast between the work of the Holy Spirit and that of man is stark as history is the testament to both authorities.
That's actually what happened, whether you care to believe it or not. The word 'premillennialism' itself wasn't coined until the 19th century, and that's what you're confused on, because of heeding men's seminary traditions.
Furthermore, in the early Church father's writings that the Antichrist would come first to persecute the Church, they understood Jesus would come to destroy that false one and take reign with His saints, which is how God's Word is actually written. So to assume they were not intelligent enough to grasp that order when they revealed it in their writings is how one reveals their own stupidity.
Furthermore, in the early Church father's writings that the Antichrist would come first to persecute the Church, they understood Jesus would come to destroy that false one and take reign with His saints, which is how God's Word is actually written. So to assume they were not intelligent enough to grasp that order when they revealed it in their writings is how one reveals their own stupidity.
H
The replacement theologians are so destructive to the clear teaching of the new Testament on Jesus 2nd coming. But the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ pulls it all together beautifully. The Reformers were so blink to eschatology. But, praise God they got most of salvation right ,but a little loop sided. Even on salvation the lost the balance of the whole word. Hoffco.
H
The Reformers all destroy the 2nd ch. of Romans. they think it is Hypothetical, where as
God says ,this is the way it is ,folks. God is not partial, If one was to be saved, they must be GOOD. born of God, Heart circucised as the saved Gentile was in 2: 10-13 persons ,obeying God's words, laws of the N.T. of Jesus. As the last verse ,29 says The saved Jew is circumcised in the heart not the flesh, born of God in the O.T. as well as in the N.T.. John Pipper has a great message on the literal reality of good works for salvation in Rom.ch.2. ORDER in sal.: GRACE, FAITH, GOOD WORKS.
God says ,this is the way it is ,folks. God is not partial, If one was to be saved, they must be GOOD. born of God, Heart circucised as the saved Gentile was in 2: 10-13 persons ,obeying God's words, laws of the N.T. of Jesus. As the last verse ,29 says The saved Jew is circumcised in the heart not the flesh, born of God in the O.T. as well as in the N.T.. John Pipper has a great message on the literal reality of good works for salvation in Rom.ch.2. ORDER in sal.: GRACE, FAITH, GOOD WORKS.