"replacement theology" - what is it?

[PeterJens]

If you can't see that then you are blind.

There is a real spiritual blindness where the words in ones head can play a different
way and the meaning not be seen. This is Gods way, and people do make their own
inheritence. I am not sure if this is chosen or just the consequences of closing off
ones heart, but once things are set it is very hard to unset them.

 

[KJV1611]

There is a real spiritual blindness where the words in ones head can play a different
way and the meaning not be seen. This is Gods way, and people do make their own
inheritence. I am not sure if this is chosen or just the consequences of closing off
ones heart, but once things are set it is very hard to unset them.

I came out of that group myself, I used to believe the same thing. It's not chosen and it's not a closed heart. It's simply brain washing and it is very hard to overcome. But your right, if a person has been taught this way and believed it for years and years, it's hard to just throw it away.

 

[garee]

Ya,Im not going through it all over again,I told you why. Look back at any of ours posts and you'll see the answer. The Jews have been thrown out of over 100 countries.They are hated,have been persecuted,hunted down,falsely accused and murdered in cold blood. The fact that Israel stands today IS a miracle. Its too bad you're too blind to see that.

I would think it is a miracle that any nation still exists. God is no respecter of persons never was, never will be.

The scriptures are not about the political kingdoms of this world. Brothers and sister in Christ can be found in any nation.

When two or three persons gather together according to the authority of His word, He is there.

We walk by the faith of Christ .Where we find it as a literal location on this planet has nothing to do with the gospel.

The apostate Jew required signs before they would believe God.We do not walk after our experiences as they did . But do walk by the work of Christ 's faith that works in us.

2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Its not replacement theology its reformed. It has never been about the flesh of a Jew or a gentile.

 

[valiant]

I didn't say it was,I said God keeps them because they are His chosen and the apple of His eye.

only the elect

 

[notmyown]

I came out of that group myself, I used to believe the same thing. It's not chosen and it's not a closed heart. It's simply brain washing and it is very hard to overcome. But your right, if a person has been taught this way and believed it for years and years, it's hard to just throw it away.

me, too

on these very boards i learned, and dispensationalism died a slow and painful death in my mind.

but thanks to some kind members who were patient with my questions...
among whom were Abiding, Tribesman, zone, and this weirdo called UncleFester... (lol)

it did die.

 

[plainguy]

me, too

on these very boards i learned, and dispensationalism died a slow and painful death in my mind.

but thanks to some kind members who were patient with my questions...
among whom were Abiding, Tribesman, zone, and this weirdo called UncleFester... (lol)

it did die.

The same zone that's here now ? She's an intelligent and very well-read lady . I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised to see your age group participate in a forum like this. Not saying your old or anything. It's just that us younger people can learn much from you

 

[notmyown]

The same zone that's here now ? She's an intelligent and very well-read lady . I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised to see your age group participate in a forum like this. Not saying your old or anything. It's just that us younger people can learn much from you

yes, we oldies have learned to use the internet.

(thanks to my kids, and i'm not even joking! lol )

as Abiding once said, zone is quicker and smarter than us when she's asleep on the couch. ♥

young whippersnapper.

 

[zone]

yes, we oldies have learned to use the internet.

(thanks to my kids, and i'm not even joking! lol )

as Abiding once said, zone is quicker and smarter than us when she's asleep on the couch. ♥

young whippersnapper.

I wish abiding was still here...miss him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with some of your thinking but one further point to consider is that Yeshua said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel... I know why I am Israel because He came for me two

I sort of Agree.

He came for the lost sheep of Israel first. Then the gentiles. Just like the OT prophets fortold.

Or as the NT states;
Acts 26:23
that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yes, it has occurred. its absurd to suggest hundreds of millions of "All Israel" have died in sin and unbelief, but ALL ISRAEL will get saved in the last few days/weeks/months/whatever at the "end".

CRAZINESS.

the church was focused entirely on jews for years (remnant called) before it went to the gentiles IN FULLNESS.

Probably a mistake getting back to this But here goes.


this is why no one can talk to you people. (whatever you call yourselves)

Hundreds of millions of "All Israel" have died in sin. Where do you come up with this stuff.

Maybe for once will you just slow down. Stop, listen to what people are saying. and get off this thing you always do, and listen to what people tell you we believe?


Here is the truth...

ZERO of "All Isreal" In the context of the passage will die in sin, IT SAYS THEY WILL ALL BE SAVED.

How can they be "saved" Yet die in sin?

can you kindly explain this to me?

Then kindly explain how you would even THINK I thought otherwise. Because this is getting really old. And I would really like to know where this thinking comes from.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who says they have yet? This is why God has established the Time of Jacob's Trouble for after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Sure you bring up Zionism. I believe that God has established the borders of Israel exactly as stated in the bible. It shall finally be returned to them later, but it is still their land. Am I a zionist?

Or you bring up your opinion that the Jews control the US. Sure there are a few bad eggs who are Jewish who do have power. Why are you attributing the error of these men as a characteristic of all Jewish people? Tread carefully.

If we look at the land God gave them origionally. Alot of people will be mad, Because they will own alot of land that belongs to other countries now..

They are not restored. The things whihc God claims will be true when they are restored are not anywhere to be seen..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Quote"God doesn't violate his word EVER"

Well theres one thing we can agree on.

and I will add.

Forever means forever.

Gen 17: [SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

I guess according to some, God did not mean what he said.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Joshua 21:43-45

43 So the Lord gave Israel all the land He had sworn to give their ancestors, and they took possession of it and settled there. 44 The Lord gave them rest on every side, just as He had sworn to their ancestors. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the Lord gave all their enemies into their hands. 45 Not one of all the Lord’s good promises to Israel failed; every one was fulfilled.

Forever means forever my friend.. Just because God gave it to them in the past does not mean the promose is fulfilled. It is not fulcilled until "forever" is done, or th eland no longer exists.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its not a matter of better,it was first. And according to international law the UN was to uphold what the League of Nations signed and agreed to.


Quote "suckering the world into a Jewish New World Order"

Careful,your slip is showing.

Some peoples fear is showing.

Russia and china are more dangerous than Israel. China prety much owns the US today..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The promise to the Jews is the same promise given to all of us today ... and fulfilled entirely in our Lord Jesus Christ ... whose Kingdom is not of this world.

so why are you not living n the land of canaan, In peace from all your enemies, Having your every needs met?

That is th epromise made to the nation of Israel if they obeyed God and observed his statutes. Is the churhc not doing this? Why are they in danger why are they under attack. Why are they murdered as we speak in nations where they are ungodly?

No my friend, You are not recieving the promises given to Israel Not even close.

Yes you have eternal life, (if your saved) and a future of eternity in the new heavens and earth, But that was "NEVER" a jewish promise, that was always an "ALL NATION" Promise.

"In you (abraham) shall ALL THE NATIONS of the earth be blessed"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

question: if one doesn't believe they are children of the promise - are they children of the promise?

what promise?

did Isreal believing they where children of the promise get them saved, (according to the one promise) or give them peace in the land according to the other promise?

Nope. They believed they were children of the promise, and Through it they crucified Christ, and suffered the final and most extreme form of punishment according to lev 26 in AD 70. .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the sacrificial system where sins were only covered until Messiah paid the price was never meant to carry over past the brief period where both covenants overlapped between 30AD and 70AD

The sacrificial system "NEVER FORGAVE SIN"

so this line of argument means nothing, Even david understood "sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire"

AD 70 happened because of lev 26. Period.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Land promise(s) ?


Joshua 21:43-45

43 So the Lord gave Israel all the land He had sworn to give their ancestors, and they took possession of it and settled there. 44 The Lord gave them rest on every side, just as He had sworn to their ancestors. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the Lord gave all their enemies into their hands. 45 Not one of all the Lord’s good promises to Israel failed; every one was fulfilled.

here we go again. SMH!!

Gen 17:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Has everlasting stopped? If not. the promise STILL STANDS!! and is STILL being fulfilled.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Regardless of Abraham's children. What?

Ethnic Israel as far as seeds (many) has nothing to do with the spiritual seed (one) Christ .

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



God works the same way in all dispensations, by work of His faith as a labor of His love., purifying the hearts of men according to His perfect law. He puts no difference between a Jew and Gentile, never did never will .He simply is not a respecter of the color of one’s skin.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Act 15:8

Looking for a living hope in the flesh of Abraham as if it was the spiritual seed of Christ by which all men are born again was the downfall of the outward Jews .(no Spirit of Christ)

Not all Israel is born again Israel. Seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ then neither is he known by Christ.

Because His promise are two fold the temporal as that seen (flesh) an that not seen , the eternal.( Spirit)

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
A distinction must be made between the seeds of Abraham (many) according to his flesh and the spiritual seed of Christ according to the spirit of Christ.


Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The spiritual seed was NEVER promised land. It was Never given the land of canaan as an eternal possession.

Replacement theology tries to replace this promise with the church. It is false

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You know my sister went to Uganda on a missions trip last month. Trust me America is blessed.

Amen, the poorest person in amareical is considered to be on the top ten in wealth in the word

America is spoiled with her blessing, and will suffer for it.