"replacement theology" - what is it?

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i wouldn't say 'most'...

the Bible isn't just one book,
it's 66 books with different literary genres.
law, history, poetry, wisdom literature, prophecy, Gospel, epistles and apocalyptic.
(i think that about covers it :))

not all genres in the Bible are written the same way, and aren't meant to be understood the same way.
some are quite literal, and some are not. :)
ran out of time in my edit

I NEVER said most...I said SOME people believe this:




some some some some some some

got it?
I'm pretty sure notmyown's got it. The question is : do you ?
 

notmyown

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and then, so I recently learned in another thread, some believe the Bible is a story book with most of it being written in figurative language...
ran out of time in my edit

I NEVER said most...I said SOME people believe this:




some some some some some some

got it?

lol got it! :)

i was referring to that 'most' i bolded above.
most of the Bible is what i thought you meant, not most of the people.

sorry for the misunderstanding. still sisters? ♥
 
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Question: "What is replacement theology / supersessionism?"

Answer: Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel. Among the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel are the church has replaced Israel (replacement theology), the church is an expansion of Israel (covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).

https://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html
According to those definitions, I believe in covenant theology

( yeah I am late to the party, going to read the rest of the thread)
 
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LaurenTM

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I'm pretty sure notmyown's got it. The question is : do you ?

hey...

her and I do not have a problem

so you can quit trying to hide behind her while throwing rocks at me
 
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LaurenTM

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lol got it! :)

i was referring to that 'most' i bolded above.
most of the Bible is what i thought you meant, not most of the people.

sorry for the misunderstanding. still sisters? ♥

sorry

you know, I just get upset with these people who think most of the Bible is just stories and these preterists and partials who have to ...basically HAVE to believe they are just stories or their preterism does not make the sense they need to believe...it makes no sense anyway...but don't tell them that

I don't know what some folks believe in, but sure is not the God of the Bible

I think I took it out on you...I apologize

hugs...I'm sorry
 
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hey...

her and I do not have a problem

so you can quit trying to hide behind her while throwing rocks at me
Not ...

hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding

got it ? :cool: ... lol

Now smarten up and send me a friend request :p. You'll have the distinction of being my first :eek:
 
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I see. You're going to play hard to get. I accept this challenge :cool:
 
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Not ...

hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding

got it ? :cool: ... lol

Now smarten up and send me a friend request :p. You'll have the distinction of being my first :eek:



All Canucks hang together here,whether we agree all the time or not.
 
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kaylagrl

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So here I go with my hip waders with this subject again, other than my belief that God still has His hand on the Jews and Israel. In the middle east Israel is surrounded by her enemies on every side and owns a mere 1% of the land. And yet she stands by the grace of God. That in itself is a miracle.

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Over 300 years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher, to give him proof of the supernatural. Pascal answered: "Why, the Jews, your Majesty ― the Jews." http://www.aish.com/h/iid/48964091.html

The Jewish people have been flung out of more than 100 countries down through history.

LeoTolstoy said of the Jews,

"The Jew is the emblem of eternity. He who neither slaughter nor torture of thousands of years could destroy, he who neither fire, nor sword, nor Inquisition was able to wipe off the face of the earth. He who was the first to produce the Oracles of God. He who has been for so long the Guardian of Prophecy and has transmitted it to the rest of the world. Such a nation cannot be destroyed. The Jew is as everlasting as Eternity itself.

The problem with Replacement Theology and its many names is that it is anti-semetic. And that is against Gods chosen of who He said were both the "apple of His eye" and His chosen people. We Christians are "co-heirs" with the Jews,we have not replaced them. God still has a place for the Jews. Replacement Theology wants the Jews to have all the curses and Christians to have all the blessings. The doctrine is a false one,and dangerous at that. It was not Hitler who was the first to make the Jews wear a star to identify them,nor was the first to come up with ghettos. It was in fact,the Catholics.

Lets listen to the church Fathers to see what they had to say...

St. Augustine-
Jews deserved death but were destined to wander the earth to witness the victory of the Church over the synagogue.”

The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ, and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them.

John Crysostom - "The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the Jews for the same reason."

Peter the Venerable -
Yes, you Jews. I say, do I address you; you, who till this very day, deny the Son of God. How long, poor wretches, will ye not believe the truth? Truly I doubt whether a Jew can be really human… I lead out from its den a monstrous animal, and show it as a laughing stock in the amphitheater of the world, in the sight of all the people. I bring thee forward, thou Jew, thou brute beast, in the sight of all men.

Martin Luther -First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of His Son and His Christians.

[FONT=&quot]Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed. For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of incessantly before God with bitter wailing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews...
Let them stay at home...If you princes and nobles do not close the road legally to such exploiters, then some troop ought to ride against them, for they will learn from this pamphlet what the Jews are and how to handle them and that they ought not to be protected. You ought not, you cannot protect them, unless in the eyes of God you want to share all their abomination...

To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews...

Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews, who for these fourteen hundred years have been and still are our plague, our pestilence, and our misfortune.
I have read and heard many stories about the Jews which agree with this judgment of Christ, namely, how they have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnapped children...next to the devil, a Christian has no more bitter and galling foe than a Jew.

John Calvin -
[The Jews’] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.
This is the foundation of the Replacement Theology. The Jews were falsely accused of kidnapping and murdering children, poisoning wells and blood libels. All this from Christians, so called. This is just an opener on the subject. We'll see how nasty the comments go on this post to see whether its worth the bother to continue.

http://messiahsmandate.org/part-two-replacement-theology-always-leads-to-anti-semitism/[/FONT]
 
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Ariel82

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Wow that is a lot of hate quotes Kaylagirl. They definitely sound antisemitic.

Covenant theology says God loves both Jews and gentiles, slave and free, men and women. He allows His sun to shine on good and evil men alike.

Replacement theology? Not sure what they teach.

Not the third option: which goes along the lines that God isn't done with Israel yet.
 
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kaylagrl, it looks like some of the reformers who used to be Catholic priests, carried over the Roman Catholic antisemitism with them. Among other things wrongfully continued from the RCC by some of the reformers, this is one of the worst ones.
 
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kaylagrl, it looks like some of the reformers who used to be Catholic priests, carried over the Roman Catholic antisemitism with them. Among other things wrongfully continued from the RCC by some of the reformers, this is one of the worst ones.
Yes,
that is true.Replacement theology was begun with the Catholics,but it did pass on to the Protestants unfortunately. But after the Holocaust both renounced replacement teaching and the teaching that the Jews are Christ killers. Yet it still has reared its ugly head even with its anti-semetic history. A pity to say the least.
 
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LaurenTM

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Not ...

hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding

got it ? :cool: ... lol

Now smarten up and send me a friend request :p. You'll have the distinction of being my first :eek:


I don't follow whatever gig it is you have going on

you're first friend?

you must like my off beat and sometimes sarcastic sense of humor....:rolleyes:


I see. You're going to play hard to get. I accept this challenge :cool:
not really

I like smarts and if you can't be smart...then kind will have to do...:p

I may be being facetious again
 
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I would offer that theology was not replaced as in replacement theology it was reformed.Its I believe why it was called a reformation.

The same to those who say the church does not replace Israel putting a some hope in their Jewish flesh as if there was two brides.

Christian is simply the new name he promised to name His people. Just the name he named them Israel in the Old testament , the other side of the 1st century reformation.

Reformations restore the order to another time period, not replace it. From my experience its just ignored today because it would seem some don't know what to do with the outward Jews seeing because of the reformation God is not using any people that way anymore as types and shadows used in parables.

For the outward unconverted Jews that had a hope in their own flesh, it was the beginning of time for Jacobs trouble. It marked the beginning of the last days, indicated by the renting the veil . The old order was a figure used as parable.The word figure in Hebrews is "parabole" in the Greek, our word "parable" .

The kingdom of God is not of this world of corruption, never was, never will be.And is the reason why I believe we must walk by faith and not be sight. He used the Jews outwardly as a living parable in that sense. in respect to the eternal land called the married land. Which speaks of the new heavenly Jerusalem prepared as His pride made up of all the kingdoms of as nations of the world.

One of the things that I believe the Spirit of Christ teaches us in order to understand how to hear the spiritual meaning in parable.When looking at the outward temporal things that concern ceremonial law as shadows of the good things to come.The new heaven and earth.

By parables and through parables was the way God designed something what I would call his perfect form of communing with the creature, as the same spirit of faith, according as it is written .You could say his voice signature.Without parables Christ spoke not.

Some would teach a literal interpretation, as in first sense makes the sense. It apposes the need for parables.again i would offer as Gods' signature he has spoke . those who were not given the understanding waled away in unbelief.(no faith)

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The things seen are everything used in a ceremonial law(that seen) point ahead the demonstration a suffering savoir before hand . On this side of the reformation we look back, it was about God's timing .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure for the "time" then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, "imposed on them" until the "time" of reformation.Heb 9:8
 
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kaylagrl, it looks like some of the reformers who used to be Catholic priests, carried over the Roman Catholic antisemitism with them. Among other things wrongfully continued from the RCC by some of the reformers, this is one of the worst ones.



it's my understanding that Martin Luther hated Jews to his dying day, even though he broke the back of confess to a priest and all the indulgences etc

so much history

ignorance is not bliss ...
 

zone

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sorry

you know, I just get upset with these people who think most of the Bible is just stories and these preterists and partials who have to ...basically HAVE to believe they are just stories or their preterism does not make the sense they need to believe...it makes no sense anyway...but don't tell them that

I don't know what some folks believe in, but sure is not the God of the Bible

I think I took it out on you...I apologize

hugs...I'm sorry
is the story of Jesus' Incarnation just a story?
does He have to be physically born into every generation for his story to be relevant?
why does it have to be about us? the stories of our Christian brothers and sisters in Acts for example: are they just stories - do they matter if we weren't there?
is there any power in the "story" to save men? the bible says yes.
 
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LaurenTM

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I would offer that theology was not replaced as in replacement theology it was reformed.Its I believe why it was called a reformation.


worst summation of the reformation...EVEH!!
 
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LaurenTM

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here is a VERY brief synopsis of what the reformation, aka Martin Luther started...it's about the RCC...NOT a change in God's policies...which have NOT changed


a 16th-century movement for the reform of abuses in the Roman Catholic Church ending in the establishment of the Reformed and Protestant Churches.
 

zone

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worst summation of the reformation...EVEH!!
huh?
you didn't read it. he was posting what Hebrews said - the new covenant and the jews' repentance being the "reformation"

New International Version
They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

New Living Translation
For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies--physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established.

English Standard Version
but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

Berean Study Bible
They consist only in food and drink and special washings--external regulations imposed until the time of reform.

- Hebrews 9:10
 

zone

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here is a VERY brief synopsis of what the reformation, aka Martin Luther started...it's about the RCC...NOT a change in God's policies...which have NOT changed


a 16th-century movement for the reform of abuses in the Roman Catholic Church ending in the establishment of the Reformed and Protestant Churches.
oh stop.
you missed his point, which means you haven't got enough scripture planted in your mind.
stay at it:)