REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

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OK, Jocund. You called me out so lets cut to the chase!
You, tell me what are the reasons for Jesus Second Coming? List them I dare you!

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Paul is an example of a Christian that represents the tribe of Benjamin. There are no saved NonChristian Jews. There are no saved NonChristian Israelites.
I don't think you really understand what this is about. We are talking about events AFTER the Second Coming of Christ.
 
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This is true and there are many who call themselves Christians that God spews out of His mouth and Jesus says He never knew!

Matthew 7:21-23
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21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
If the Lord does this to 'christians' how much more does He spew out the jews who completely reject the only Name that can save them.

This Jesus is ‘the stone you(jews) builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 4
 
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I don't think you really understand what this is about. We are talking about events AFTER the Second Coming of Christ.
If scripture says that Israelites from each tribe are saved, why would we assume that this is talking about NonChristian Jews as opposed to Christians that descended from the tribes?

Those considered children of God, seeds of the promise, and Israel are explained in Romans 9. Why would we reject scripture in favour of an antiChristian interpretation of OT prophesy?

I welcome any explanation that makes sense without contradicting scripture.
 

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If the Lord does this to 'christians' how much more does He spew out the jews who completely reject the only Name that can save them.

This Jesus is ‘the stone you(jews) builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 4

And YET as Paul writes in Romans 11!

Romans 11
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11 I ask then: Has God totally rejected and disowned His people? Of course not! Why, I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin!
2 No, God has not rejected and disowned His people [whose destiny] He had marked out and appointed and foreknown from the beginning. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 Lord, they have killed Your prophets; they have demolished Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.
4 But what is God’s reply to him? I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal!
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant (a small believing minority), selected (chosen) by grace (by God’s unmerited favor and graciousness).
6 But if it is by grace (His unmerited favor and graciousness), it is no longer conditioned on works or anything men have done. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace [it would be meaningless].
7 What then [shall we conclude]? Israel failed to obtain what it sought [God’s favor by obedience to the Law]. Only the elect (those chosen few) obtained it, while the rest of them became callously indifferent (blinded, hardened, and made insensible to it).
8 As it is written, God gave them a spirit (an attitude) of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, [that has continued] down to this very day.
9 And David says, Let their table (their feasting, banqueting) become a snare and a trap, a pitfall and a [a]just retribution [[b]rebounding like a boomerang upon them];
10 Let their eyes be darkened (dimmed) so that they cannot see, and make them bend their back [stooping beneath their burden] forever.
11 So I ask, Have they stumbled so as to fall [to their utter spiritual ruin, irretrievably]? By no means! But through their false step and transgression salvation [has come] to the Gentiles, so as to arouse Israel [to see and feel what they forfeited] and so to make them jealous.
12 Now if their stumbling (their lapse, their transgression) has so enriched the world [at large], and if [Israel’s] failure means such riches for the Gentiles, think what an enrichment and greater advantage will follow their full reinstatement!
13 But now I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I lay great stress on my ministry and magnify my office,
14 In the hope of making my fellow Jews jealous [in order to stir them up to imitate, copy, and appropriate], and thus managing to save some of them.
15 For if their rejection and exclusion from the benefits of salvation were [overruled] for the reconciliation of a world to God, what will their acceptance and admission mean? [It will be nothing short of] life from the dead!
16 Now if the first handful of dough offered as the firstfruits [Abraham and the patriarchs] is consecrated (holy), so is the whole mass [the nation of Israel]; and if the root [Abraham] is consecrated (holy), so are the branches.
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, while you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them to share the richness [of the root and sap] of the olive tree,
18 Do not boast over the branches and pride yourself at their expense. If you do boast and feel superior, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root [that supports] you.
19 You will say then, Branches were broken (pruned) off so that I might be grafted in!
20 That is true. But they were broken (pruned) off because of their unbelief (their lack of real faith), and you are established through faith [because you do believe]. So do not become proud and conceited, but rather stand in awe and be reverently afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches [because of unbelief], neither will He spare you [if you are guilty of the same offense].
22 Then note and appreciate the gracious kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s gracious kindness to you—provided you continue in His grace and abide in His kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off (pruned away).
23 And even those others [the fallen branches, Jews], if they do not persist in [clinging to] their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

24 For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and against nature grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier will it be to graft these natural [branches] back on [the original parent stock of] their own olive tree.
25 Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits), I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has [temporarily] befallen a part of Israel [to last] until the [c]full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in,
26 And so all Israel will be saved. As it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will banish ungodliness from Jacob.
27 And this will be My covenant (My agreement) with them when I shall take away their sins.
28 From the point of view of the Gospel (good news), they [the Jews, at present] are enemies [of God], which is for your advantage and benefit. But from the point of view of God’s choice (of election, of divine selection), they are still the beloved (dear to Him) for the sake of their forefathers.
29 For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. [He never withdraws them when once they are given, and He does not change His mind about those to whom He gives His grace or to whom He sends His call.]
30 Just as you were once disobedient and rebellious toward God but now have obtained [His] mercy, through their disobedience,
31 So they also now are being disobedient [when you are receiving mercy], that they in turn may one day, through the mercy you are enjoying, also receive mercy [that they may share the mercy which has been shown to you—through you as messengers of the Gospel to them].
32 For God has consigned (penned up) all men to disobedience, only that He may have mercy on them all [alike].
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unfathomable (inscrutable, unsearchable) are His judgments (His decisions)! And how untraceable (mysterious, undiscoverable) are His ways (His methods, His paths)!
34 For who has known the mind of the Lord and who has understood His thoughts, or who has [ever] been His counselor?
35 Or who has first given God anything that he might be paid back or that he could claim a recompense?
36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it).

 

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I'm still waiting for your reply Jocund to the challege you issued to me and I returned to you. Are you afraid or do not know the answers?
You called me out so lets cut to the chase!

You, tell me what are the reasons for Jesus Second Coming? List them I dare you!

I'm still waiting.

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VARIOUS FORMS OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY by Michael J. Vlach, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Theology - 13 page PDF- https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj20d.pdf

What is Replacement Theology? - Scholars Crossing- Liberty University- https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1105&context=pretrib_arch

The Evil History of Replacement Theology: An Illustrated History of the Church's Dark and Shameful Treatment of the Jews by J. P. Sloane PHD, ‎ 276 pages.

As a student of history and theology, J.P. Sloane, has researched not only the diversity of Christianity but he has also explored the various other religions, sects and cults in order to understand how they interact, challenge, and influence each other. It was because of his quest for knowledge that he embarked upon over 30 years of higher education taking advantage of several scholastic opportunities afforded him which includes enrollment at the following schools from which he has since graduated: Purdue University through a program sponsored by The Indiana Council of Churches, The Institute of Charismatic Studies at Oral Roberts University, The Moody Bible Institute, and The Institute of Jewish-Christian Studies. He earned a B.A., Summa Cum Laude, from The Master's College where he also studied at their IBEX campus in Israel. While at The Master's College he likewise earned a M.A. in Biblical Counseling. At Trinity Theological Seminary he earned a Doctorate of Ministry as well as a Ph.D., With Distinction, in Religious Studies. Throughout the years Dr. Sloane has appeared on such television programs as The 700 Club, The PTL Club, Lester Sumrall Today, Richard Roberts Live, LeSea Broadcasting's Harvest, and Trinity Broadcasting Network's Praise the Lord, to name a few. Publications that Dr. Sloane appears in include, "Who's Who in the World" and "Who's Who in America." He is also featured in "2000 Outstanding Intellectuals of the 21st Century" (Cambridge, England) and the "Dictionary of International Biography" (Cambridge, England).



Our Hands are Stained with Blood: The Tragic Story of the Church and the Jewish People
by Michael L. Brown PhD, 312 pages.

The pages of church history are marked by countless horrors committed against the Jewish people.

From the first persecutions of the Jews in the fourth century to the horrors of the Holocaust, from Israel-bashing in today's press to anti-Semitism spouted from the pulpit, this painful book tells the tragic story that every Christian must read.

In a freshly updated and expanded edition of this pivotal work, Dr. Michael Brown exposes the faulty theological roots that opened the door to anti-Semitism in Church history, explaining why well-meaning believers so often fall into the trap of hate... and showing how you can bring an end to the cycle of violence.

This generation can make a difference. Now is the time for change! Discover the important role you play in helping to shape a Church that will bless Israel rather than curse Israel.
 
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kaylagrl

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VARIOUS FORMS OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY by Michael J. Vlach, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Theology - 13 page PDF- https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj20d.pdf

What is Replacement Theology? - Scholars Crossing- Liberty University- https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1105&context=pretrib_arch

The Evil History of Replacement Theology: An Illustrated History of the Church's Dark and Shameful Treatment of the Jews by J. P. Sloane PHD, ‎ 276 pages.

As a student of history and theology, J.P. Sloane, has researched not only the diversity of Christianity but he has also explored the various other religions, sects and cults in order to understand how they interact, challenge, and influence each other. It was because of his quest for knowledge that he embarked upon over 30 years of higher education taking advantage of several scholastic opportunities afforded him which includes enrollment at the following schools from which he has since graduated: Purdue University through a program sponsored by The Indiana Council of Churches, The Institute of Charismatic Studies at Oral Roberts University, The Moody Bible Institute, and The Institute of Jewish-Christian Studies. He earned a B.A., Summa Cum Laude, from The Master's College where he also studied at their IBEX campus in Israel. While at The Master's College he likewise earned a M.A. in Biblical Counseling. At Trinity Theological Seminary he earned a Doctorate of Ministry as well as a Ph.D., With Distinction, in Religious Studies. Throughout the years Dr. Sloane has appeared on such television programs as The 700 Club, The PTL Club, Lester Sumrall Today, Richard Roberts Live, LeSea Broadcasting's Harvest, and Trinity Broadcasting Network's Praise the Lord, to name a few. Publications that Dr. Sloane appears in include, "Who's Who in the World" and "Who's Who in America." He is also featured in "2000 Outstanding Intellectuals of the 21st Century" (Cambridge, England) and the "Dictionary of International Biography" (Cambridge, England).


Our Hands are Stained with Blood: The Tragic Story of the Church and the Jewish People
by Michael L. Brown PhD, 312 pages.

The pages of church history are marked by countless horrors committed against the Jewish people.

From the first persecutions of the Jews in the fourth century to the horrors of the Holocaust, from Israel-bashing in today's press to anti-Semitism spouted from the pulpit, this painful book tells the tragic story that every Christian must read.

In a freshly updated and expanded edition of this pivotal work, Dr. Michael Brown exposes the faulty theological roots that opened the door to anti-Semitism in Church history, explaining why well-meaning believers so often fall into the trap of hate... and showing how you can bring an end to the cycle of violence.

This generation can make a difference. Now is the time for change! Discover the important role you play in helping to shape a Church that will bless Israel rather than curse Israel.

What's the red x for? I'm one of the few in this thread that agree with what you're saying? lol
 
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I'm still waiting for your reply Jocund to the challege you issued to me and I returned to you. Are you afraid or do not know the answers?
You called me out so lets cut to the chase!
Which challenge? The question about what Romans 9:6 says about who counts as Israel? Yes please, direct me to the post where you replied to this. I must have missed it in all of your forum sliding.
 
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And YET as Paul writes in Romans 11!

Romans 11
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition


11 I ask then: Has God totally rejected and disowned His people? Of course not! Why, I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin!
2 No, God has not rejected and disowned His people [whose destiny] He had marked out and appointed and foreknown from the beginning. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 Lord, they have killed Your prophets; they have demolished Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.
4 But what is God’s reply to him? I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal!
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant (a small believing minority), selected (chosen) by grace (by God’s unmerited favor and graciousness).
6 But if it is by grace (His unmerited favor and graciousness), it is no longer conditioned on works or anything men have done. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace [it would be meaningless].
7 What then [shall we conclude]? Israel failed to obtain what it sought [God’s favor by obedience to the Law]. Only the elect (those chosen few) obtained it, while the rest of them became callously indifferent (blinded, hardened, and made insensible to it).
8 As it is written, God gave them a spirit (an attitude) of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, [that has continued] down to this very day.
9 And David says, Let their table (their feasting, banqueting) become a snare and a trap, a pitfall and a [a]just retribution [[b]rebounding like a boomerang upon them];
10 Let their eyes be darkened (dimmed) so that they cannot see, and make them bend their back [stooping beneath their burden] forever.
11 So I ask, Have they stumbled so as to fall [to their utter spiritual ruin, irretrievably]? By no means! But through their false step and transgression salvation [has come] to the Gentiles, so as to arouse Israel [to see and feel what they forfeited] and so to make them jealous.
12 Now if their stumbling (their lapse, their transgression) has so enriched the world [at large], and if [Israel’s] failure means such riches for the Gentiles, think what an enrichment and greater advantage will follow their full reinstatement!
13 But now I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I lay great stress on my ministry and magnify my office,
14 In the hope of making my fellow Jews jealous [in order to stir them up to imitate, copy, and appropriate], and thus managing to save some of them.
15 For if their rejection and exclusion from the benefits of salvation were [overruled] for the reconciliation of a world to God, what will their acceptance and admission mean? [It will be nothing short of] life from the dead!
16 Now if the first handful of dough offered as the firstfruits [Abraham and the patriarchs] is consecrated (holy), so is the whole mass [the nation of Israel]; and if the root [Abraham] is consecrated (holy), so are the branches.
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, while you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them to share the richness [of the root and sap] of the olive tree,
18 Do not boast over the branches and pride yourself at their expense. If you do boast and feel superior, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root [that supports] you.
19 You will say then, Branches were broken (pruned) off so that I might be grafted in!
20 That is true. But they were broken (pruned) off because of their unbelief (their lack of real faith), and you are established through faith [because you do believe]. So do not become proud and conceited, but rather stand in awe and be reverently afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches [because of unbelief], neither will He spare you [if you are guilty of the same offense].
22 Then note and appreciate the gracious kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s gracious kindness to you—provided you continue in His grace and abide in His kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off (pruned away).
23 And even those others [the fallen branches, Jews], if they do not persist in [clinging to] their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

24 For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and against nature grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier will it be to graft these natural [branches] back on [the original parent stock of] their own olive tree.
25 Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits), I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has [temporarily] befallen a part of Israel [to last] until the [c]full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in,
26 And so all Israel will be saved. As it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will banish ungodliness from Jacob.
27 And this will be My covenant (My agreement) with them when I shall take away their sins.
28 From the point of view of the Gospel (good news), they [the Jews, at present] are enemies [of God], which is for your advantage and benefit. But from the point of view of God’s choice (of election, of divine selection), they are still the beloved (dear to Him) for the sake of their forefathers.
29 For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. [He never withdraws them when once they are given, and He does not change His mind about those to whom He gives His grace or to whom He sends His call.]
30 Just as you were once disobedient and rebellious toward God but now have obtained [His] mercy, through their disobedience,
31 So they also now are being disobedient [when you are receiving mercy], that they in turn may one day, through the mercy you are enjoying, also receive mercy [that they may share the mercy which has been shown to you—through you as messengers of the Gospel to them].
32 For God has consigned (penned up) all men to disobedience, only that He may have mercy on them all [alike].
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unfathomable (inscrutable, unsearchable) are His judgments (His decisions)! And how untraceable (mysterious, undiscoverable) are His ways (His methods, His paths)!
34 For who has known the mind of the Lord and who has understood His thoughts, or who has [ever] been His counselor?
35 Or who has first given God anything that he might be paid back or that he could claim a recompense?
36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it).
AMEN to all the Scripture you posted = Scripture cannot lie

And those pictures you posted of the Natzis and those who pose as christians = they're satanists.

Now, in your own words, tell me what you see in the Scriptures pertaining to the Jews A.) right now /Today and B.) when Christ Returns
 

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well, Replacement Theology is just a silly idea. :)

it's not a replacement, it an ingrafting. (yes, i made up that word, lol)
one Savior, one Gospel, one tree, one people of God made up of Jews and gentiles, right?

the promise of the New Covenant is to the Jew first (which happened), and that God always intended to save gentiles. read Isaiah, you can't miss it! :giggle:

there's one covenant going by which people can be saved, i think we can all agree on that. the Lord has never stopped saving the remnant of Jews, and i believe (and pray for) many, many Jews being saved before Christ returns in power and glory to judge the living and the dead. glory to God!
 

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If scripture says that Israelites from each tribe are saved, why would we assume that this is talking about NonChristian Jews as opposed to Christians that descended from the tribes?
Not "non-Christian Jews" but saved Jews. And the difference is that during the Church Age, God sees no distinction between Jew and Gentile within the Church. But after the Rapture of the Church, God will resume His direct dealings with the Jews.

The Tribulation will be "the time of Jacob's trouble", Moses and Elijah will come to earth to preach primarily to the Jews, and after the Second Coming of Christ God will gather all Jews from around the world to Israel to face their true Messiah. But not all will be saved at that time, even though every tribe will be represented among the redeemed.

EZEKIEL 36: GOD BRINGS THE JEWS TO ISRAEL FROM AROUND THE WORLD
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

What was the "land that I gave to your fathers"? Under the Abrahamic Covenant it was the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. Which is about ten times the size of modern Israel. This land will of possessed by the saved twelve tribes.
 
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Not "non-Christian Jews" but saved Jews. And the difference is that during the Church Age, God sees no distinction between Jew and Gentile within the Church. But after the Rapture of the Church, God will resume His direct dealings with the Jews.

The Tribulation will be "the time of Jacob's trouble", Moses and Elijah will come to earth to preach primarily to the Jews, and after the Second Coming of Christ God will gather all Jews from around the world to Israel to face their true Messiah. But not all will be saved at that time, even though every tribe will be represented among the redeemed.

EZEKIEL 36: GOD BRINGS THE JEWS TO ISRAEL FROM AROUND THE WORLD
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

What was the "land that I gave to your fathers"? Under the Abrahamic Covenant it was the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. Which is about ten times the size of modern Israel. This land will of possessed by the saved twelve tribes.
I still don't see why the timing would be assumed to be after a theoretical rapture. I don't see why those with a new spirit would not be interpreted as Jews that accepted the covenant of Christ (Christians). Even the OT speaks of the coming of a new covenant written on the hearts and minds.

The land given in Genesis 17:8 could be considered just Canaan, but I'm sure someone somewhere has interpreted this to be the entire world based on the phrasing. In the NT it is explained that the seed of the promise is counted only in Christ and those in Christ. It would be contrary to scripture to claim that any land promised would go to NonChristian Jews by right of that promise.

I imagine each of the three main Abrahamic religions, based on their religious texts, would have the ability to claim rights to whatever lands promised (if we indeed this is a description of a literal physical place).

If the interpetation is that the geographical location considered Canaan is the birthright of NonChristian Jews by the sake of the promise to Abraham, that interpretation contradicts scripture and is therefore incorrect. It is possible to claim it for other reasons but not by that cited OT scripture.

I imagine the interpetaton of post-rapture saved Jews (those that become Christian) requires a very specific model and interpretation of rapture. Rapture in itself is a can of worms that many don't agree on. What manner of rapture interpretation and second coming of Christ is being used in this case?
 

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I am going to lay out something most in the Christian faith today have not considered. Today, biblical prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes as God has called His people back to their land as the Hebrew prophets predicted in the Old Testament. Isaiah and Ezekiel.speak about their Messiah's return for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Upon Jesus Second Coming, the Rature has alreadyoccured so Jesus has recieved His Bride, the Church to Himself so that the marriage supper has been fullfilled. Revelations 19 says upon Jesus Second coming He will lead the army of Heaven and His Saints with Him. Some within Christian Denominations try to spirtualize the verses below saying it is happening now as Jesus is reigning in Heaven however THAT IS NOT WHAT THE VERSES SAY!!! Look at the condition of the world today and tell me Satan id bound. Tell me these verses have in TRUTH been fulfilled.

Revelation 19

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19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


Revelation 20

New King James Version

Satan Bound 1,000 Years
20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [j]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Second part coming