Repost: beware of the Hebrew Roots Movement

[Elin]

hey hermanodaniel
we certainly hear a variation of this a lot from the little gapper-gang that could....

"Those who pursue the observance of Old Covenant Law often tell Christians that once they become aware that they should be ‘keeping’ the Law (according to Law keeping teachings), that they are then accountable to that ‘truth’, and if they choose to not keep Feasts, Days, and dietary laws, that they are in willful disobedience to God, because sin is the transgression of the Law. Then they will throw out Hebrews 10:26-27 as a passage to convince believers in Christ that willful sin, whether it be not keeping Feasts, days, or dietary laws or just run-of-the-mill regular sins . . . well, there is no sacrifice left for you, right? They rarely will come right out and tell you that unless you keep Old Covenant Law that you’ll either lose your salvation or you’re not really saved, but that is the clear implication"

thank for keeping this issue up front.
what seems harmless leads right to the very thing Heb 6 warns about.
amazing.
severed from Grace!
zone

Why don't you step outside of your accusatory rhetoric and SPECIFICALLY CITE an example of where something I write pertains to being made righteous by the law? Please cite this "variation" that you allude to?

The following of yours is just such an example--righteousness by faith that works, which is law keeping.

Righteousness is found via abiding in Jesus Christ and not through any external work or works done apart from a faith that works by love (ie. walking in truth). The faith of Christ is that of a faith that is fully yielded to God via which the righteousness of God is manifested through a believer. Faith in Christ is being fully persuaded in who He is whereby one thus abides (walking in the light).

That's a fail.

You have twisted the Scriptures.

"Abraham believed the LORD and he credited it to him as righteousness." (Gen 15:6)

You are adding your personal additional requirements to receive the gift of righteosness from God, which is apart from works of law keeping (Ro 3:21, 5:17).

Abraham was persuaded in his mind and thus trusted and yielded to God. Noah was persuaded in his mind and thus trusted and yielded to God. This was the faith by which God reckoned them both as righteous. They both did the right thing because they truly believed God.

That's Skinski talking, that's not Scripture talking.

No doing was attached to the gift of righteousness which God gave Abraham simply because he believed the promise (Ge 15:6).

Likewise we who call Jesus "Lord, Lord" truly believe in Him and His teachings and are thus doers of His words as opposed to be hearers only.

Which has nothing to do with the gift of righteousness from God because of faith, apart from law keeping (Ro 3:21; 5:17).

Obedience is the result of righteousness by faith, and not the cause of either faith or righteousness.

"You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures." (Mt 22:29)

"Go and learn what (the gift of righteousness from God, apart from works of law keeping) means." (Mt 9:13)

 

[carey]

I could only read a portion of this, the blatant lies had me dropping my jaw!

Hebrew Roots/Hebraic Roots/Messianic Movements

Seek God - Hebrew Roots/Messianic Movement < click

Hebrew Roots FAQS & Myths

Seek God - Hebrew Roots/Messianic Movement < click

 

[Angela53510]

Isn't it interesting that this movement is trying to deny Paul, when Paul dealt with this very issue of salvation by the law in his letter to the Galatians?

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [SUP]7 [/SUP]not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you,let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Gal 1:6-9

If you read into chapter 2 of Galatians Paul goes on to say, after his fight in Antioch with Peter over the same issue.

"yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." Gal. 2:15-16

On the other hand, if you wanted salvation by works, it would be expedient to get rid of Paul's writings, because they clearly lay waste to this movement.

 

[Angela53510]

Oh, I attended an Orthodox Synagogue a few weeks ago for a school assignment. They had the Bible with the Talmud interpretations. It SHOCKED me to death!! They were all rationalizations and twisted Scripture. Yet that text is sacred to the Jews. I always thought they followed the Torah and the Haftorah.

This makes sense in terms of using the Talmud, which is the writings of men, rather than the inspiration of God. This movement is just being honest with its Hebrew roots.

I have many good friends who are Jewish and I love them dearly, but this religion is far from the words of inspiration given to the prophets of old, in my humble estimation.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

alittle yeast works through the whole dough...

by this standard you could reject pretty much every christian group imaginable...

 

[tovrose]

You're so right. this is why Jewish people need people like you to pray for them and loving exemplify the life of a Believer in Jesus so that they become jealous of your faith in a God who is real.
Romans 11
The New Messianic Version of the Bible

Oh, I attended an Orthodox Synagogue a few weeks ago for a school assignment. They had the Bible with the Talmud interpretations. It SHOCKED me to death!! They were all rationalizations and twisted Scripture. Yet that text is sacred to the Jews. I always thought they followed the Torah and the Haftorah.

This makes sense in terms of using the Talmud, which is the writings of men, rather than the inspiration of God. This movement is just being honest with its Hebrew roots.

I have many good friends who are Jewish and I love them dearly, but this religion is far from the words of inspiration given to the prophets of old, in my humble estimation.

 

[RedTent]

I could only read a portion of this, the blatant lies had me dropping my jaw!

The Pharisees reacted to Christ with lies about Him, too.

 

[zone]

The Pharisees reacted to Christ with lies about Him, too.

they still do.


Pharisees

The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple. All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.

Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[crossnote]

Rabbinic Judaism?
No Temple
No Priest
No Sacrifices
No Forgiveness of sins
No Yeshua...

Moralism?... That's all.

 

[zone]

Rabbinic Judaism?
No Temple
No Priest
No Sacrifices
No Forgiveness of sins
No Yeshua...

Moralism?... That's all.

and didnt Shaul already make it clear what happens when ppl think they are right under the Law.

sin....sin and more sin

dressed up as righteousness.