Respecting your parents.

[MrMike85]

Hello everyone,

Looking though the bible it appears imperative that children should obey and bring honor to their parents..

Ephesians 6:1-4
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
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Colossians 3:20
Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
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Exodus 20:12
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
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Ephesians 6:1
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
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Proverbs 1:8
Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and forsake not your mother's teaching,
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Proverbs 30:17
The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.


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what if the parents teach their children to follow in their footsteps,
should the children still obey their father and follow even if it is wrong ?​

 

[dcontroversal]

It is the 1st commandment with promise...long life that is if we honor our parents...

To answer your last question.....NO!

God's word overrides any and all ungodly instruction...and once you reach maturity you are bound by your own decisions....

Jesus said the time was coming when your enemies would be they of your own house....as He brought a sword and did not come to bring peace.

 

[JDecree]

what if the parents teach their children to follow in their footsteps,
should the children still obey their father and follow even if it is wrong ?​

Nope. Case in point, we are told to obey authority figures, yet we see Paul and co disobeying the command by the rulers to stop preaching about Jesus.

 

[MrMike85]

Thank you guys, your responses are much appreciated.

 

[KohenMatt]

what if the parents teach their children to follow in their footsteps,
should the children still obey their father and follow even if it is wrong ?​

I think it depends on the level of "wrongness".
If it's illegal, don't obey.
If it goes against preference or tradition, obey.
If it defiantly goes against Scripture? Don't obey.
If it goes against an interpretation of a debate-able Biblical topic? Probably obey.
Anything in between? That's a Holy Spirit call.

On a related side note...

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them,19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his hometown.20 They shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.’21 Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear."

Now, I'm not advocating that we keep this physical practice alive today, but if this standard were to be upheld even once, how many children would disobey? I'd venture to say not too many.

 

[Nautilus]

I kind of hold an age limit on this one too. Like as a child sure, but once Im out and on my own as an adult, my parents dont know enough about whats going on to advise anyways. Im not saying ignore them completely but you do get to be your own man eventually.

 

[cornerstone7]

Hello everyone,

Looking though the bible it appears imperative that children should obey and bring honor to their parents..

Ephesians 6:1-4
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
​

Colossians 3:20
Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
​

Exodus 20:12
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
​

Ephesians 6:1
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
​

Proverbs 1:8
Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and forsake not your mother's teaching,
​

Proverbs 30:17
The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.


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what if the parents teach their children to follow in their footsteps,
should the children still obey their father and follow even if it is wrong ?​

The Lord gives commandments to each of us depending of our positions ( kids , parents , husband , wifes , sisters , brothers , slave, boss etc)
We can't treat with the rules and the laws and commandments that the Lord has establish on his powerful word to have blessing ,so here what is the most important is the position in the heart, even if the dad teaches wrong things the children obei first to the Lord to this :Colossians 3:20
Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. and Ephesians 6:1
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.and “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.
because there is a promise too following this kind of obedience to the Lord he will definatly bless and lead this person to know him
now there is something very incoherant in this thread :
the lLord says this :
Proverbs 1:8
Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and forsake not your mother's teaching,

But it's the mother that has the responsability of the teaching and the dad has the instruction ....
so here is the point the dad has to choose the right woman ( loving God and fearing the Lord the woman in proverbes 31.10 ) and if he does this then she will raise her kids with wisdom and rightness.....so the house and family will be blessed
and why does our God gives the mom the teaching ???
because she has love and a heart for her children
GBU

 

[MrMike85]

a child will trust in their parents naturally. Remember when your parents were telling you about Santa?
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Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 18:3-4)

 

[blueorchidjd]

I'm not going to lie here, but I think there are parents out there that make it really hard for their children to respect them.
Some intentionally don't want their children to do well because they never really had it easy, or don't really support them emotionally. So to say 'oh go ahead and try to have the best relationship as you can, it is easy' is an absolute lie. Especially if their parent is of the world and persists in putting down their child all the time. If anything maybe it is best for the child to cut off all ties with the parent once they move out.
Respect- Yes.
Punching bag- No.

 

[RedTent]

We are not to obey anything God tells us in a legalistic way, we are to obey in spirit and truth. If this case, we are to know that we owe are very existence to God using our parents to create us, and we are to honor them for that, no matter what they do or who they are.

That does not mean that we aren't to honor God and His commands first, that we must honor parent's teaching if they are against the teaching of God. It simply means honoring them as instruments of God in their birth.

 

[jamie26301]

We are not to obey anything God tells us in a legalistic way, we are to obey in spirit and truth.

I'm not meaning to stir anything unpleasant up, but how do we tell the distinction, in our souls, minds, and hearts, if we are obeying in spirit and truth as opposed to legalism? Is there any kind of thought process, some external factor that indicates we're on the right path, should we look for any kind of emotion?

The reason I ask is because Paul teaches about the Old Adam. He talks about the war between the Spirit and the flesh. It seems to me that at times, it would be hard to distinguish between the two. For example, you may give $10 to a homeless person. But, it could've been Spirit or it could've been flesh. It would depend on your motive. That's what I mean that sometimes it's hard to tell, because often we do things out of pride, even when thinking we are being humble. Does that make sense?

 

[RedTent]

I'm not meaning to stir anything unpleasant up, but how do we tell the distinction, in our souls, minds, and hearts, if we are obeying in spirit and truth as opposed to legalism? Is there any kind of thought process, some external factor that indicates we're on the right path, should we look for any kind of emotion?

The reason I ask is because Paul teaches about the Old Adam. He talks about the war between the Spirit and the flesh. It seems to me that at times, it would be hard to distinguish between the two. For example, you may give $10 to a homeless person. But, it could've been Spirit or it could've been flesh. It would depend on your motive. That's what I mean that sometimes it's hard to tell, because often we do things out of pride, even when thinking we are being humble. Does that make sense?

You have put your finger on exactly what I have prayed about. When people say they only follow the Holy Spirit, and yet they tell me things that are against scripture, it seems to me they are deluding themselves.

We are told that John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

We are in the flesh, it is very important that we go to the word to check ourselves. If the word says you are to obey something, it means we are to obey. The word specifies that all obedience must be from love, not from the letter of the law. We are to listen. We are told to pray, and given an outline for effective prayer. We are to listen.

We are also to know that God loves us, and when we do our best, but still miss the mark, through Christ it can be wiped absolutely clean from our record and we can start absolutely new from that moment.

 

[jamie26301]

You have put your finger on exactly what I have prayed about. When people say they only follow the Holy Spirit, and yet they tell me things that are against scripture, it seems to me they are deluding themselves.

We are told that John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Thank you for that insight.

We are in the flesh, it is very important that we go to the word to check ourselves. If the word says you are to obey something, it means we are to obey. The word specifies that all obedience must be from love, not from the letter of the law. We are to listen. We are told to pray, and given an outline for effective prayer. We are to listen.

In other words, we are to obey because we WANT to, not to receive an reward. That's easier said than done. I have been familiar with this concept for a long time, and I find myself flip-flopping back and forth between doing it just to please God, and doing it for God's blessing (which is under the Law - as Deut. promises blessings for those who obey). It's a life-long pursuit, and it's quite clear that we will never research perfection in this life.

We are also to know that God loves us, and when we do our best, but still miss the mark, through Christ it can be wiped absolutely clean from our record and we can start absolutely new from that moment.

I tend to think it is ALWAYS clean. Yes, I sin, but if God sees Jesus when He sees me (because Jesus traded His righteousness for my sinfulness, and thus stands where sin once did) then I always have a clean slate. And that's the only way to ensure salvation when I die. I am simultaneously sinner and saint.

 

[RedTent]

amie26301; I tend to think it is ALWAYS clean. Yes, I sin, but if God sees Jesus when He sees me (because Jesus traded His righteousness for my sinfulness, and thus stands where sin once did) then I always have a clean slate. And that's the only way to ensure salvation when I die. I am simultaneously sinner and saint.

That would say we have no responsibility. Even in our instructions on how to pray, when we ask for forgiveness it is "as we forgive others". We are given a part to play in our forgiveness.

The word repent is repeated in the New Testament many times, and it says we are to turn our back on sin. I think we have a part to play to have God see only the Christ in us.
Act_2:38 "Repent," Peter said to them, "and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act_3:19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be wiped out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

 

[guestno2]

you are mixing two different command here, honoring and obeying (and maybe also third thing -following)


When it comes to honour, its simple:


God didn’t say

Honour thy father but just until you’re 18

honour thy father but not the drunk one

honour thy father but not the cruel one

honour thy father but not if you are smarter than him

honour thy father, but if he make mistake than not

honour thy father, but if he beats you that your back is blue-greenish than not



or did God say



honour thy mother, but not if she is an alcoholic?

honour thy mother, but not if she is drug addict?

honour thy mother, but if she fell in love with strange man than not?
honour thy mother, but if is she JW than not?



NO, God didn’t said that. He said Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.




So, it is "honor thy father and thy mother", there is no an exception (that proves the rule), no good adverb added, no describe how your parents supposed to be perfect or even mediocritic for you to can honor them and no excuse for you to not honor your parents no matter what they’re do or who they are.


But, one thing is honoring, and the other thing is obeying.


SO you can honor your “bad” parents and same time not follow their example (ez 20,19-18) and also the same time not obey them but rather obey your God.


We know, what levi’s tribe did this, we know, what Peter said or what even Jesus said to his earthy parents and siblings, when they stood in the way of him obeying God…etc etc

....We ought to obey God rather than men..(acts5)


But it is not excuse for not honoring your parents.


This first command with Lord promise is hard and also have lifetime durability.

You are never free from honoring your parents no matter what is your age.


That’s I have been told, that’s how I rule..

I don’t know … Im kinda tired of your west way view of looking at things, it seems to be like you have no respect, no persistence, lack of morale. I do not wander now, why are family institution so broken over there…

anyway..sorry fro eng and..

...be blessed

 

[jamie26301]

That would say we have no responsibility. Even in our instructions on how to pray, when we ask for forgiveness it is "as we forgive others". We are given a part to play in our forgiveness.

The word repent is repeated in the New Testament many times, and it says we are to turn our back on sin. I think we have a part to play to have God see only the Christ in us.
Act_2:38 "Repent," Peter said to them, "and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act_3:19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be wiped out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

I can concur to this. But how would you link this with Sola Fide? Or do you hold to that doctrine?