Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017
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In post seventy five, I was trying to describe the movement of this comet alongside Jupiter and really the rarity of the whole thing. Why would it matter? Just because it's rare, would that mean that the end of the world is here? Maybe not.
I'm measuring with a tape measure that reads in days from the third moon of the tetrad, until a sun that is "darkened" and a moon that will not give her light. That measurement is a fit for the three prophetic time periods from Daniel 12.
The Revelation 12 sign has Jupiter exiting the body of Virgo and then being joined in a conjunction with Venus. That day measures 420 days until the "darkened" sun.
It starts to look like the appointed time of the end is split into three divisions of 420 days. Three "watches" of the night. This seems to be pointing to the setting of the third and final watch within a span of 1260 days.
"If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third, and finds them awake,
blessed are those servants!
Peaceful Sabbath.
I'm measuring with a tape measure that reads in days from the third moon of the tetrad, until a sun that is "darkened" and a moon that will not give her light. That measurement is a fit for the three prophetic time periods from Daniel 12.
The Revelation 12 sign has Jupiter exiting the body of Virgo and then being joined in a conjunction with Venus. That day measures 420 days until the "darkened" sun.
It starts to look like the appointed time of the end is split into three divisions of 420 days. Three "watches" of the night. This seems to be pointing to the setting of the third and final watch within a span of 1260 days.
"If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third, and finds them awake,
blessed are those servants!
Peaceful Sabbath.
Some of the letter is applicable for learning, this is an occasional letter addressing the Thessalonians concerns. Your error is in not recognizing this fact and superimposing a dispensational "theological" view into Paul's letter which only exists in the minds of those following dispensationalism.
There is no "universal application" of the word generation, another dispensational misnomer.
We can all see who's barking up the wrong tree here...
You need to be more consistent in applying this:
There is no "universal application" of the word generation, another dispensational misnomer.
We can all see who's barking up the wrong tree here...
You need to be more consistent in applying this:
Some of the letter is applicable for learning, this is an occasional letter addressing the Thessalonians concerns. Your error is in not recognizing this fact and superimposing a dispensational "theological" view into Paul's letter which only exists in the minds of those following dispensationalism.
There is no "universal application" of the word generation, another dispensational misnomer.
We can all see who's barking up the wrong tree here...
You need to be more consistent in applying this:
There is no "universal application" of the word generation, another dispensational misnomer.
We can all see who's barking up the wrong tree here...
You need to be more consistent in applying this:
WE which are alive and REMAIN unto the Parousia of JESUS..........wake up to the truth
1 Thess 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;
Paul in the above is stating that "the day" would not overtake them - and in his letter to the Romans Paul is stating that the same day is at hand:
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Only by ignoring the overall consistency of Paul's message and replacing you with "we" and "us" (with no valid reason to do so) can the day be arbitrary projected past the lifetime of the recipients of his letters as Mr. Barker is attempting to do.
Paul in the above is stating that "the day" would not overtake them - and in his letter to the Romans Paul is stating that the same day is at hand:
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Only by ignoring the overall consistency of Paul's message and replacing you with "we" and "us" (with no valid reason to do so) can the day be arbitrary projected past the lifetime of the recipients of his letters as Mr. Barker is attempting to do.
The 2 witnesses are only sent to Israel,not the Gentiles,for at that point in time salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and God is only working with Israel.
Israel is blinded in part,for they accept the Old Testament majority wise,but do not accept Jesus,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,for the nation of Israel accepts Christ,and physical Israel became spiritual,and Jesus will save the Jews when the world attacks them at the battle of Armageddon.
The Bible says there is only 2 resurrections.One before the millennial reign of Christ,and one after the millennial reign of Christ.
Blessed is he that has part in the first resurrection,for the second resurrection has no hold on them.Whoever misses the first resurrection will go to the second resurrection after the millennial reign of Christ.
Jesus said those who claim Him,but are hypocritical will miss out on the resurrection,and have their portion with the hypocrites,and when the resurrection happens,and Jesus shuts the door,nobody else can enter of the Gentiles.
God will allow the world to have their way for 7 years to cause all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so He can end this sin business on earth.
If the resurrection happens before that,then no Gentile can be saved after that,which means that there is no saints of the Gentiles during the 7 years period,but there is a problem with that.
When the world takes the mark of the beast,halfway the 7 years period,then salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.
The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews,and the Gentiles,will be separated.
The Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,and try to solve establish peace on earth.
The Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians,and will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and since they are blinded in part will go back to animal sacrifices.
The world will operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,for three and one half years.
Repentance,and salvation,is still offered to the world during the first three and one half years,so the resurrection did not happen yet,because the saints will remain on earth as long as salvation is available to the world.
And the 2 witnesses are not sent to the nation of Israel yet.
During the first three and one half years,salvation is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth.
After the three and one half years,the man of sin steps in to the Jews temple,and claims to be God,and their Messiah,and addresses the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and has the best solution for peace on earth,and when the people who do not love God take the mark of the beast,then salvation is no longer available to them,and the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
The ten horns failed at providing peace for the world,and the 6th trumpet was a terrible war in which one third of the population of the world dies,for nuclear weapons devastated the Arab nations,and the ten horns hand their power over to the beast,and that is how he gets control of the world.
God will send the nation of Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth,for the last three and one half years.
At the midway point of the 7 years period,the nation of Israel has not turned to Jesus yet,and before the world takes the mark,the beast blasphemes against God,and His tabernacle,and His people,which he would not do that if the saints were still not on earth,for if the truth were not on earth by way of the saints he would not have to go against Christianity,which would be Gentile saints on earth.
So the resurrection could of not happened before the 7 years period,for then there would not be any Gentile saints on earth during the 7 years period,and the beast would not blaspheme God,and His people,unless the Gentile saints were on earth,for he is telling the world to not give heed to the pesky Christian religion,for their God is not real,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,and they do not have the answer for peace,and spirituality,on earth.
Then all who do not love God will take the mark,and then salvation is no longer available to them.
Now the saints can be resurrected.
Israel is protected from physical attack during the 7 years period,for God has the plan to restore the kingdom on earth to the,and turn them to the truth,and the world cannot hinder that.
The saints are not resurrected at the midway point,for the beast makes war against the saints,and prevails against them,and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years,and he shall destroy the mighty and holy people,and when he scatters their power then the resurrection shall happen.
At the end of the last three and one half years the resurrection happens,and Israel as a nation accepts Christ.
God pours out His wrath on the world,and the world will attack Israel,and Jesus will come with the saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.
There is no resurrection before the 7 years period as some people believe,for Paul stated the resurrection shall not happen until the man of sin appears halfway through the midway point,and that he makes war against the saints,and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
Salvation is still available to the Gentiles during the first three and one half years,so the saints will remain on earth to be the witness to them,and represent the truth,when the world takes the mark,no salvation for the world,and 2 witnesses to Israel.
Israel is blinded in part,for they accept the Old Testament majority wise,but do not accept Jesus,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,for the nation of Israel accepts Christ,and physical Israel became spiritual,and Jesus will save the Jews when the world attacks them at the battle of Armageddon.
The Bible says there is only 2 resurrections.One before the millennial reign of Christ,and one after the millennial reign of Christ.
Blessed is he that has part in the first resurrection,for the second resurrection has no hold on them.Whoever misses the first resurrection will go to the second resurrection after the millennial reign of Christ.
Jesus said those who claim Him,but are hypocritical will miss out on the resurrection,and have their portion with the hypocrites,and when the resurrection happens,and Jesus shuts the door,nobody else can enter of the Gentiles.
God will allow the world to have their way for 7 years to cause all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so He can end this sin business on earth.
If the resurrection happens before that,then no Gentile can be saved after that,which means that there is no saints of the Gentiles during the 7 years period,but there is a problem with that.
When the world takes the mark of the beast,halfway the 7 years period,then salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.
The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews,and the Gentiles,will be separated.
The Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,and try to solve establish peace on earth.
The Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians,and will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and since they are blinded in part will go back to animal sacrifices.
The world will operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,for three and one half years.
Repentance,and salvation,is still offered to the world during the first three and one half years,so the resurrection did not happen yet,because the saints will remain on earth as long as salvation is available to the world.
And the 2 witnesses are not sent to the nation of Israel yet.
During the first three and one half years,salvation is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth.
After the three and one half years,the man of sin steps in to the Jews temple,and claims to be God,and their Messiah,and addresses the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and has the best solution for peace on earth,and when the people who do not love God take the mark of the beast,then salvation is no longer available to them,and the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
The ten horns failed at providing peace for the world,and the 6th trumpet was a terrible war in which one third of the population of the world dies,for nuclear weapons devastated the Arab nations,and the ten horns hand their power over to the beast,and that is how he gets control of the world.
God will send the nation of Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth,for the last three and one half years.
At the midway point of the 7 years period,the nation of Israel has not turned to Jesus yet,and before the world takes the mark,the beast blasphemes against God,and His tabernacle,and His people,which he would not do that if the saints were still not on earth,for if the truth were not on earth by way of the saints he would not have to go against Christianity,which would be Gentile saints on earth.
So the resurrection could of not happened before the 7 years period,for then there would not be any Gentile saints on earth during the 7 years period,and the beast would not blaspheme God,and His people,unless the Gentile saints were on earth,for he is telling the world to not give heed to the pesky Christian religion,for their God is not real,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,and they do not have the answer for peace,and spirituality,on earth.
Then all who do not love God will take the mark,and then salvation is no longer available to them.
Now the saints can be resurrected.
Israel is protected from physical attack during the 7 years period,for God has the plan to restore the kingdom on earth to the,and turn them to the truth,and the world cannot hinder that.
The saints are not resurrected at the midway point,for the beast makes war against the saints,and prevails against them,and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years,and he shall destroy the mighty and holy people,and when he scatters their power then the resurrection shall happen.
At the end of the last three and one half years the resurrection happens,and Israel as a nation accepts Christ.
God pours out His wrath on the world,and the world will attack Israel,and Jesus will come with the saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.
There is no resurrection before the 7 years period as some people believe,for Paul stated the resurrection shall not happen until the man of sin appears halfway through the midway point,and that he makes war against the saints,and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
Salvation is still available to the Gentiles during the first three and one half years,so the saints will remain on earth to be the witness to them,and represent the truth,when the world takes the mark,no salvation for the world,and 2 witnesses to Israel.
No actually we are biblically applying it to any generation that is alive when it takes place....ok so....let's apply your fallacy to the word....
Was Paul alive when the Parousia of Jesus took place....oooops has not taken place yet.....so...we can now rule out....ALL alive in ROME, Phillipi, Thessalonica, Corinth, Ephesus etc....heck...by your view....most of the bible is past dated and has no practical application whatsoever at all.....Scratch Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, The words describing the resurrection to the Corinthian and Thessalonian assemblies....
Your logic does not bear up.....but a practical application of the word applies unto any and all generations that will be alive and remaining when the end comes.....no wonder you miss the mark so much.....
Was Paul alive when the Parousia of Jesus took place....oooops has not taken place yet.....so...we can now rule out....ALL alive in ROME, Phillipi, Thessalonica, Corinth, Ephesus etc....heck...by your view....most of the bible is past dated and has no practical application whatsoever at all.....Scratch Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, The words describing the resurrection to the Corinthian and Thessalonian assemblies....
Your logic does not bear up.....but a practical application of the word applies unto any and all generations that will be alive and remaining when the end comes.....no wonder you miss the mark so much.....
You can apply it to any generation you want Mr. Barker - I'll take Jesus' definition over the definition of men any day:
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
It should be more than obvious to any one that the generation that saw Jerusalem desolated when it was compassed by armies in the war of 66-70 AD is the one that Jesus said would not pass away until they saw it.
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
It should be more than obvious to any one that the generation that saw Jerusalem desolated when it was compassed by armies in the war of 66-70 AD is the one that Jesus said would not pass away until they saw it.
Can you give the scripture that says we must bark please? rofl
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[SUP]10[/SUP]His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. (also see Romans 11:8 KJV)
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11 [/SUP]Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
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12 [/SUP]Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.
BLAH blah blah.....oblivious to dual prophecy as applied unto the end....ALL means ALL....so when did the Parousia of JESUS take place and the saved gathered and the resurrection of the dead in Christ take place.....fairly confident that ALL has not been fulfilled which means your interpretation is lacking....has the heaven been rolled up as a scroll, have the sun, moon and stars gone black, do you see the beast sitting on a throne claiming to be God working all signs and lying wonders....NOPE...your view falls apart rather quickly..
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As most of you already know, I'm a total skeptic of this kind of unbiblical nonsense, using astrology and incorrect astronomy to predict the end. This whole conspiracy plot just smacks of playing on people's fears, because of bad eschatology. It is an embarrassment for Christ, and believers everywhere!
I found this article on my FB feed.
Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23, Christian numerologists claim | Fox News
I will be seeing you all here on September 35, as per usual. And trying to debunk the next sensationalist lie to come out!
I found this article on my FB feed.
Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23, Christian numerologists claim | Fox News
I will be seeing you all here on September 35, as per usual. And trying to debunk the next sensationalist lie to come out!
All does mean All in Jesus' statement - he does not say all except this prophecy, or all but that prophecy does he?
You because of unbelief have to modify His statements like you did with your you to we/us conversion in Thessalonians - nothing new with dispensationalism where we end up reading a Textus Deceptus....
Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Peter in the above is also claiming that the prophecies Jesus spoke of were being fulfilled in "his days" - he did not say these centuries.
He also stated Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled in the last days he was living in - not last centuries:
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Notice he did not stop at "pour out my spirit" but continued with quoting the full prophetic context
"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood"..
This kind of metaphoric language is typical of prophetic speech:
Ezek 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
The above is describing the judgment on Egypt.
Do you notice any similarity with the judgement on 1st century apostate Judah/Israel in the war of 66-70 AD:
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
This is too easy.
You because of unbelief have to modify His statements like you did with your you to we/us conversion in Thessalonians - nothing new with dispensationalism where we end up reading a Textus Deceptus....
Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Peter in the above is also claiming that the prophecies Jesus spoke of were being fulfilled in "his days" - he did not say these centuries.
He also stated Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled in the last days he was living in - not last centuries:
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Notice he did not stop at "pour out my spirit" but continued with quoting the full prophetic context
"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood"..
This kind of metaphoric language is typical of prophetic speech:
Ezek 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
The above is describing the judgment on Egypt.
Do you notice any similarity with the judgement on 1st century apostate Judah/Israel in the war of 66-70 AD:
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
This is too easy.
Shabbat Shalom!
I see, enough to go back and skim through the video with an ability to somewhat follow, and Isaiah 66 comes to mind, "Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons..."
I think it is mostly the rapture doctrine as its known that throws me off, mostly not understanding that the Lord will gather His Church, and drop them off somewhere while He and His [others marked?] chosen pour out wrath upon the ungodly, even though "...And so will always be with the Lord" [1Thess 4:17].
Why couldn't, or wouldn't, we stick around for the grand finale?
Not being able to see any good reason why not, this is why I do believe this is a sign of significance, albeit no sign of any 'disappearance' of the Church. Maybe of the wicked dropping off the face of the earth, tho...Going along with the reasoning that Leo inseminates the virgin crowned with twelve stars and her/His children are birthed, and if it is to be a day like Purim culminating with the hanging of Haman and his 10 sons, and where the descendants of the Amalekites are wiped out by those that. up to that point, had persecuted them.
As it is written of these particular feast, that it will be celebrated even in the olam habah (the world to come).
I see, enough to go back and skim through the video with an ability to somewhat follow, and Isaiah 66 comes to mind, "Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons..."
I think it is mostly the rapture doctrine as its known that throws me off, mostly not understanding that the Lord will gather His Church, and drop them off somewhere while He and His [others marked?] chosen pour out wrath upon the ungodly, even though "...And so will always be with the Lord" [1Thess 4:17].
Why couldn't, or wouldn't, we stick around for the grand finale?
Not being able to see any good reason why not, this is why I do believe this is a sign of significance, albeit no sign of any 'disappearance' of the Church. Maybe of the wicked dropping off the face of the earth, tho...Going along with the reasoning that Leo inseminates the virgin crowned with twelve stars and her/His children are birthed, and if it is to be a day like Purim culminating with the hanging of Haman and his 10 sons, and where the descendants of the Amalekites are wiped out by those that. up to that point, had persecuted them.
As it is written of these particular feast, that it will be celebrated even in the olam habah (the world to come).
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Ahwatukee:
I don't have anything against you, brother. It just seems like sometimes you "jump the gun" when you post. And, it is not a matter of forgiving you for anything ( if it were - you are forgiven already - but, it really is not ) - I am not really even accusing you of anything. I just wonder about the way you think sometimes. That's all there really is to it. I don't mean to insult or belittle you, or anything like that.
I am not making an apology for what I have said - because, I don't think I need to or should; however, I do want you to know that it is not my intent to "attack" you - or any such similar thing.
There really is a lot we agree on. The rapture is not one of them. But, I think we are definitely in agreement about the 'literal' nature of the millenium - whereby, Jesus will rule and reign on the Earth for 1000 years. And, I believe there are other things also.
Think about what I have said, for the sake of what good may come out of it. However, don't let yourself be [ too ] offended by it -- to the point of restlessness or anxiety. Relax. I don't hate you or anything. We may sometimes disagree. But, I am not holding any grudges.
"Peace..."
I don't have anything against you, brother. It just seems like sometimes you "jump the gun" when you post. And, it is not a matter of forgiving you for anything ( if it were - you are forgiven already - but, it really is not ) - I am not really even accusing you of anything. I just wonder about the way you think sometimes. That's all there really is to it. I don't mean to insult or belittle you, or anything like that.
I am not making an apology for what I have said - because, I don't think I need to or should; however, I do want you to know that it is not my intent to "attack" you - or any such similar thing.
There really is a lot we agree on. The rapture is not one of them.
But, I think we are definitely in agreement about the 'literal' nature of the millenium - whereby, Jesus will rule and reign on the Earth for 1000 years. And, I believe there are other things also.Think about what I have said, for the sake of what good may come out of it. However, don't let yourself be [ too ] offended by it -- to the point of restlessness or anxiety. Relax. I don't hate you or anything. We may sometimes disagree. But, I am not holding any grudges.
"Peace..."