rock and roll is wicked

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roaringkitten

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"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." John 15:17-19

Rock and roll appeared on the stage in America in the 1950's. Christian rock came on the stage in the 60s and 70s and have increased in popularity(see source, as well as the references used- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_rock). Larry Norman was a popular professing Christian rocker and challenged those Christians who were fiercely opposed to "Christian rock". One of his statements were as follows:

"Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music?"

The one thing Larry admitted, was that rock in roll was of the devil by comparing the "devil" as having "good music". Larry actually thinks this stuff is GOOD! History shows "Christian rock" didn't originate in the church but originated from the world! I will show you what rock and roll looks like to the world and then you can make up your mind as to whether you still believe Christian rock is good stuff. BTW, there are many sources on the web that show what the popular rock and roll stars think about Christianity. This takes some research on your part.

Fanny Crosby is a well known hymn writer of over 9000 hymns!(research this, many references on the web) There was a time before she was saved when she wrote secular music, but after being saved, she sung a whole different tune! Here is a quote from her as a Christian:

"Sometimes I need to reject the music proposed for my songs because the musicians misunderstand that the Fanny Crosby who once wrote for the people in the saloons has merely changed the lyrics. Oh my no. The church must never sing it's songs to the melodies of the world." - Fanny Crosby

Some quotes from famous rock and rollers:

David Bowie- "Rock has always been THE DEVIL'S MUSIC . . . I believe rock and roll is dangerous . . . I feel we're only heralding SOMETHING EVEN DARKER THAN OURSELVES." (Rolling Stone, Feb. 12, 1976)

Marylin Mason- "Hopefully, I'll be remembered as the person who brought an end to Christianity." (Spin, August 1996, p. 34)

Little Richard- “I was directed and commanded by another power. The power of darkness ... that a lot of people don’t believe exists. The power of the Devil. Satan” (Little Richard, cited by Charles White, The Life and Times of Little Richard, p. 206).

Jimmy Henrdrix- "I can explain everything better through music. YOU HYPNOTIZE PEOPLE... And when you get people at their weakest point you can preach into the subconscious what we want to say. That's why the name "electric church' flashes in and out."

Michael Jackson- “It happens subliminally. It’s the music that compels me to do it. You don’t think about it, it just happens. I’m slave to the rhythm’ (Michael Jackson, explaining the reason for some of the filthy sexual gestures during his concerts, during a 1993 Oprah Winfrey interview, The Evening Star, Feb. 11, 1993, p. A10).

Paul McCartney- "We probably seem to be anti-religious. . . none of us believes in God." (Hit Parader, Jan 1970, p.15)

John Lennon- "Christianity will go, it will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and will be proved right. . . .We're more popular than Jesus now." (San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1966, p.26)


There is TONS and TONS of evidence, that rock music is evil. Even the rockers themselves are proud to boast that they hate Christ! Here is a link that shows rock and roll heavily involved in the occult(satanic symbolism)-http://www.av1611.org/666/rock_666.html

The Word frequently warns about satan seeking those he may devour(1 Peter 5:8) and that he came to kill, steal, and destroy(John 10:10). Lucifer was the highest, most beautiful angel in heaven before the fall(Ezekiel 28:13-16). Reading the former passage and this one(Isaiah14:11-12), music was involved in the fall(satan has music abilities). Dont be deceived, satan knows music very well. And rock and rollers testify to a spirit at work in their music as being evil.

I've shown you where rock and roll came from(the world). I've also shown you that "Christian rock and roll" came not from the church, but from the world. Why would we ever want to even be associated with worldly"rock and roll" knowing many rock and rollers were God-haters? I could have listed hundreds of quotes from various rock and rollers that speak true contempt for Christianity. Not only that, many rock and rollers were heavily involved with witchcraft and satanism(eg: Marylin Manson, John Lennon, The Eagles, etc). If you were to do research on Alester Crowley and Anton Lavey you would find MUCH in common with many rock and rollers(who themselves testify to this fact).

Any contemporary Christian rocker could sing about God and love but the majority of the songs I have heard from them are watered down, vague(worldly/carnal), etc.....Just because someone throws a "Christian" label on something does not necessarily make them a Christian. 2 Corinthians 11:12-14 makes it very clear, satan often disguises himself AS the light! Most contemporary Christian rockers water down their music to appeal to the world because they know the world does not love God. The Word is clear about this(1 Corinthians 2:13-15, John 3:18-20). Most Christian rockers love making more money, instead of praising The Lord(1 Timothy 6:10). New Age cults also use "God", "love", etc...but they are cults. Many professing Christian rockers claim they want to reach the world for God but I RARELY find ANY sort of gospel message on their websites. You know a good tree from a bad tree by its fruit(Matthew 7:16-20). I think these articles below give an excellent commentary about Christian rock. Please, at least be open to reading these links. Then make up your mind. Pray that God would reveal this evil that has saturated a bunch of the churches into living and acting like the world.

What's wrong with Christian rock's fruit?-- http://www.av1611.org/crock/jefchap1.html

What's wrong with copying the world? Quotes by prominent Christian rockers with references--
http://www.av1611.org/crock/jefchap6.html

10 frequent excuses Christians make to defend Christian rock and roll-- http://www.av1611.org/crock/jefchp16.html

The number one complaint about me exposing anything is that I only focus on the bad. Have you read my evangelism thread lately? Or the thread about prayer in Christianity? Does those threads sound bad? I dont expose stuff because I only look at the bad. I am obeying the Lord as Ephesians 5:11 and Psalm 94:16 command me to. I have every right to expose false doctrine and warn the body of Christ. Sorry if you cant see that I do this because I care. Want a guideline for music and all aspects of Christian living? Here is one:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8
 

jjkg

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Music is a tool like many things are. It can be used for evil or for good. Any songs with an ability to draw you to Christ and bring you into a focus on Him instead of self and worldly things is a good thing. If you haven't seen it yet, try getting They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll. It's a DVD that CrossTV offers on their website. Very eye opening to the history of many of Rock and Roll's forefather's. Satan most definitely has used the likes of the Beatles, Stones and others to lure and keep people away from the saving truth of Jesus Christ. I enjoy my Christian music. Groups like Casting Crowns, Seventh Day Slumber, Mercy Me help me to continually remember the Christ I serve and the undeserved love constantly being poured into my life.
 
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EmersonWolfe

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Roaring, the concern you have for the way we (as North Americans, especially) accept wordly things is awesome, and I'm glad you have that concern... at the same time, the origins of something shouldn't keep us from choosing to use said thing in a good light. For example (feel free to look this up), the origins of Christmas: the day we choose to celebrate Christ's birthday is actually a pagan holiday (or was, originally). We don't know the exact date of when Jesus was born, but we choose to celebrate it on this day (regardless of the unholy origins)... in the same way, I think we can choose to worship God with rock music if the lyrics reflect a love of our awesome Lord and Saviour. True, some of Christian music is super-washed down. But there's still some good stuff out there... While we definitely should despise the things of the world, I think the thing that shows evil in a song is the lyrics, not the style of music. A collection of notes is neither holy or unholy, but rather the spirit behind it (made more evident through the use of lyrics) Ha, I'm not sure if I'm making sense... it's late. Anyway, I appreciate your passion for upholding a righteous and holy lifestyle... peace out, dude.
 
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EmersonWolfe

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...actually, I think jjkg did a better job of saying it than I did. Good job, jjkg!
 
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kujo313

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Ok. You want to witness to a bunch of people heavily into rap music. How you gonna do it? You gonna invite them to church where a pipe organ is played? I'm for all types of Christian music. Whatever tells people living for this world that there IS some clean music. If you want a beat, we got a beat. If you want guitar solos, we got that, too.
You can't go into a gang-run neighborhood looking like you stepped out of the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" and say "you can be a Christian just like me!"
Sure, the world's version of music is evil. You can't knock Christian music.
 
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Rock music of any kind, is enjoyable , and harmless.
They stopped biting heads off live chickens many years ago.
 

jjkg

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It's not harmless, Mahogony. It's not the act, it's the messages being shared. You can actually watch Sold their Soul for Rock and Roll on YouTube, I bet. The messages (not all, mind you) portray an idea of "Do what you want to do" and offering it to youth who are very susceptible to those types of messages is anything but "harmless". Sorry, but I completely disagree with you.
 
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suaso

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only sentient beings have the capacity for good and evil. Rock and Roll is not a sentiant being. It is a musical genre. I could rewrite the lyrics of "Amazing Grace" without changing the tune to be about slaughtering puppies with a sledgehammer and THEN it would be wicked, but only because of the subject matter, not the actual musical structure. Likewise, the beat/rhythm, vocal style, and instraments used in Rock and Roll in and of itself is neither evil or good...it is simply music. Anyone can make an individual song in the rock and roll genre evil or bad by using lyrics that express themes which can be considred evil/good.
 
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The tune for amazing grace is based on the blues scale which originated from African voo doo. eeeeevil.

I suppose rock music is harmful for people who have weak minds. Most people it doesn't affect. But if you feel like committing mass murder after listening to rock and roll you should probably be locked up in the psychiatric hospital in the first place.
 
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When the bible was written they would have had their own form of secular or pagan music, so can anyone find a bible verse that condemns a particular form or style of music?
 
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So are cats........ Hundreds of years ago people would bury cats in the walls of their houses because they thought it would ward off bad luck, in the 17th century cats were thought to be the devil himself because of their nine lives.. Cats were charished by witches and were treated with the utmost respect, It was also the belief if you boiled a cat in oil when someone was sick, that the sickness would then become transfered to the cat..... In essence your nickname roaringkitten is wicked.
 

jjkg

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So you're telling us, Mahogony, that you, a bible-believing, Christ-following, Holiness-desiring Christian, have no problem singing along with such tunes as 'Hells Bells" or "Running with the Devil" or any other tune that relays a message of the things or paths that your God opposes? Once again, it's not about the beat or the rhythm, some, of which I must admit are rather catchy, but the lyrics themselves. Why in the world would any self-professing christian want to listen or sing along to any anti-christian messages? When does liking something such as a musical beat or a certain 'sound' override the things of God? I myself used to enjoy listening to a lot of rock bands such as Van Halen, Boston and Journey growing up as a teen in the 80's, but I wasn't a Christian until I was in my 30's. Once again, I have to say, there is nothing wrong with a lot of songs (Journey is still one of my favorite bands of all time-finally went and saw them in concert a few months ago after they got their new lead singer...but that's a different story :) ) But as a Christian, it is still vital to really pay attention to what it is we are not only watch, but what we are listening to. To say that you are not affected by anything you allow into your eyes and ears is simply foolish pride. Because even though it may take awhile to fully take affect in one's life, that stuff surely will do so eventually. First in the way one thinks and then becoming evident in the way one lives. Why do you think the Bible is so adamant about "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." - Philippians 4:8 Because that stuff does affect everyone, even the 'strong' christians Paul is directing this statement to.
 
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worldlover

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although most rock music gets infested by evil, there are some rock music which are dedicated to GOD so it depends to whom you preferred it.
 
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suaso

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When I've heard songs like AC/DC's "Hells Bells," I never thought to myself "Oh goody! I get to go to hell with Satan! Tea and crumpets!" It's always been "Huh, this sounds like something I don't want..." The lyrics to me tell a story about the truth: Satan is for evil, satan wants to drag you down, and, "if you're in to evil you are a friend of mine." That is essentially true, is it not? If you like that stuff, then you get it, is what the song tells me. It doesnt say that stuff is good for you. Does AC/DC honestly harbor fond feelings for the Satanic? I don't know, I haven't asked them and they haven't told me. This song may very well be bad and evil, but it is only one song of the rock n roll genre.

There are millions of rock n roll songs that have nothing whatsoever to do with promoting satan or evil. Those are what people ought to go for.
 
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So you're telling us, Mahogony, that you, a bible-believing, Christ-following, Holiness-desiring Christian, have no problem singing along with such tunes as 'Hells Bells" or "Running with the Devil" or any other tune that relays a message of the things or paths that your God opposes? Once again, it's not about the beat or the rhythm, some, of which I must admit are rather catchy, but the lyrics themselves. Why in the world would any self-professing christian want to listen or sing along to any anti-christian messages? When does liking something such as a musical beat or a certain 'sound' override the things of God? I myself used to enjoy listening to a lot of rock bands such as Van Halen, Boston and Journey growing up as a teen in the 80's, but I wasn't a Christian until I was in my 30's. Once again, I have to say, there is nothing wrong with a lot of songs (Journey is still one of my favorite bands of all time-finally went and saw them in concert a few months ago after they got their new lead singer...but that's a different story :) ) But as a Christian, it is still vital to really pay attention to what it is we are not only watch, but what we are listening to. To say that you are not affected by anything you allow into your eyes and ears is simply foolish pride. Because even though it may take awhile to fully take affect in one's life, that stuff surely will do so eventually. First in the way one thinks and then becoming evident in the way one lives. Why do you think the Bible is so adamant about "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." - Philippians 4:8 Because that stuff does affect everyone, even the 'strong' christians Paul is directing this statement to.
Journey and boston... AND chicago rock!!
 
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Baptistrw

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"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." John 15:17-19

Rock and roll appeared on the stage in America in the 1950's. Christian rock came on the stage in the 60s and 70s and have increased in popularity(see source, as well as the references used- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_rock). Larry Norman was a popular professing Christian rocker and challenged those Christians who were fiercely opposed to "Christian rock". One of his statements were as follows:

"Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music?"

The one thing Larry admitted, was that rock in roll was of the devil by comparing the "devil" as having "good music". Larry actually thinks this stuff is GOOD! History shows "Christian rock" didn't originate in the church but originated from the world! I will show you what rock and roll looks like to the world and then you can make up your mind as to whether you still believe Christian rock is good stuff. BTW, there are many sources on the web that show what the popular rock and roll stars think about Christianity. This takes some research on your part.

Fanny Crosby is a well known hymn writer of over 9000 hymns!(research this, many references on the web) There was a time before she was saved when she wrote secular music, but after being saved, she sung a whole different tune! Here is a quote from her as a Christian:

"Sometimes I need to reject the music proposed for my songs because the musicians misunderstand that the Fanny Crosby who once wrote for the people in the saloons has merely changed the lyrics. Oh my no. The church must never sing it's songs to the melodies of the world." - Fanny Crosby

Some quotes from famous rock and rollers:

David Bowie- "Rock has always been THE DEVIL'S MUSIC . . . I believe rock and roll is dangerous . . . I feel we're only heralding SOMETHING EVEN DARKER THAN OURSELVES." (Rolling Stone, Feb. 12, 1976)

Marylin Mason- "Hopefully, I'll be remembered as the person who brought an end to Christianity." (Spin, August 1996, p. 34)

Little Richard- “I was directed and commanded by another power. The power of darkness ... that a lot of people don’t believe exists. The power of the Devil. Satan” (Little Richard, cited by Charles White, The Life and Times of Little Richard, p. 206).

Jimmy Henrdrix- "I can explain everything better through music. YOU HYPNOTIZE PEOPLE... And when you get people at their weakest point you can preach into the subconscious what we want to say. That's why the name "electric church' flashes in and out."

Michael Jackson- “It happens subliminally. It’s the music that compels me to do it. You don’t think about it, it just happens. I’m slave to the rhythm’ (Michael Jackson, explaining the reason for some of the filthy sexual gestures during his concerts, during a 1993 Oprah Winfrey interview, The Evening Star, Feb. 11, 1993, p. A10).

Paul McCartney- "We probably seem to be anti-religious. . . none of us believes in God." (Hit Parader, Jan 1970, p.15)

John Lennon- "Christianity will go, it will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and will be proved right. . . .We're more popular than Jesus now." (San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1966, p.26)


There is TONS and TONS of evidence, that rock music is evil. Even the rockers themselves are proud to boast that they hate Christ! Here is a link that shows rock and roll heavily involved in the occult(satanic symbolism)-http://www.av1611.org/666/rock_666.html

The Word frequently warns about satan seeking those he may devour(1 Peter 5:8) and that he came to kill, steal, and destroy(John 10:10). Lucifer was the highest, most beautiful angel in heaven before the fall(Ezekiel 28:13-16). Reading the former passage and this one(Isaiah14:11-12), music was involved in the fall(satan has music abilities). Dont be deceived, satan knows music very well. And rock and rollers testify to a spirit at work in their music as being evil.

I've shown you where rock and roll came from(the world). I've also shown you that "Christian rock and roll" came not from the church, but from the world. Why would we ever want to even be associated with worldly"rock and roll" knowing many rock and rollers were God-haters? I could have listed hundreds of quotes from various rock and rollers that speak true contempt for Christianity. Not only that, many rock and rollers were heavily involved with witchcraft and satanism(eg: Marylin Manson, John Lennon, The Eagles, etc). If you were to do research on Alester Crowley and Anton Lavey you would find MUCH in common with many rock and rollers(who themselves testify to this fact).

Any contemporary Christian rocker could sing about God and love but the majority of the songs I have heard from them are watered down, vague(worldly/carnal), etc.....Just because someone throws a "Christian" label on something does not necessarily make them a Christian. 2 Corinthians 11:12-14 makes it very clear, satan often disguises himself AS the light! Most contemporary Christian rockers water down their music to appeal to the world because they know the world does not love God. The Word is clear about this(1 Corinthians 2:13-15, John 3:18-20). Most Christian rockers love making more money, instead of praising The Lord(1 Timothy 6:10). New Age cults also use "God", "love", etc...but they are cults. Many professing Christian rockers claim they want to reach the world for God but I RARELY find ANY sort of gospel message on their websites. You know a good tree from a bad tree by its fruit(Matthew 7:16-20). I think these articles below give an excellent commentary about Christian rock. Please, at least be open to reading these links. Then make up your mind. Pray that God would reveal this evil that has saturated a bunch of the churches into living and acting like the world.

What's wrong with Christian rock's fruit?-- http://www.av1611.org/crock/jefchap1.html

What's wrong with copying the world? Quotes by prominent Christian rockers with references--
http://www.av1611.org/crock/jefchap6.html

10 frequent excuses Christians make to defend Christian rock and roll-- http://www.av1611.org/crock/jefchp16.html

The number one complaint about me exposing anything is that I only focus on the bad. Have you read my evangelism thread lately? Or the thread about prayer in Christianity? Does those threads sound bad? I dont expose stuff because I only look at the bad. I am obeying the Lord as Ephesians 5:11 and Psalm 94:16 command me to. I have every right to expose false doctrine and warn the body of Christ. Sorry if you cant see that I do this because I care. Want a guideline for music and all aspects of Christian living? Here is one:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8
Amen... About time someone said it here.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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Personally I don't think the style of music is nearly as important as the purity of worship behind the music. If it's not worship music then what's the point?
 
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Baptistrw

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Personally I don't think the style of music is nearly as important as the purity of worship behind the music. If it's not worship music then what's the point?
Most worship people offer is as profane. God is to be worshiped His way not ours.
 
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carpetmanswife

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Most worship people offer is as profane. God is to be worshiped His way not ours.

thats quite a statement there..care to expound on that?
 
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I don't think you have been given a chance to listen to all Christian music. Yes some bands water it down but not all some bands have a real passion for singing about God and they sound good too! Also Christians have been falling away from the faith, and youth are just not into Christ any more. We need to change that, but we can't change that by blasting a pipe organ at kids. I used to be a member of a church where a pipe organ and our own pipes were the only things allowed. Well that church will probably die out in the next twenty years. Why? Because pipe organs don't attract youth, and make them want to come it sends them away.
 
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