Yes, it's likely that Solomon was the editor of the Proverbs instead of the one who wrote them all. Daniel and the other captives were not allowed to keep their Hebrew names in Babylon. But it's his book so he chose to identify himself as a Hebrew over a Babylonian. And the chronicles of most ancient civilizations were written by men employed by the rulers so naturally their versions are somewhat skewed. Esther is the history of a national celebration and contains the incredibly important phrase "for such a time as this."
Rules of Biblical Interpretation
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Logic is just a process of reasoning. It's not man's logic or God's logic; it's simply logic. The process is the same. The input of data is what changes it. Something that God does may seem illogical because we do not have access to the the same information as He does, nor do we have identical priorities. People use logic to come to different conclusions because it is inevitably tainted with emotions and colored by our experiences.
I attended a seminar recently in which a point was made that is very profound. What we see going on around us is like shining a spot light on an area. We can see that area clearly (usually). Outside of the spotlight we can see very little or nothing. God, on the other hand, can see all that is going on out in the dark that we do not see.
There is more going on than meets the eye.
There is more going on than meets the eye.
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This thread is better off being deleted. All that seems to be goin on is a bunch of unfruitful arguing and certain people promoting heresy. This is unacceptable behavior for people who claim to be brothers and sisters in Christ. What we need to be doing is expelling the false believers from our midst! Not continue to let them breed heresy around us,..
That's right. Excommunicate them. If you guys actually studied the words of Jesus, rather than spouting out drivel based on prejudice, ignorance and propaganda, you would see that Jesus only ever used the "the law, the prophets and the psalms" from the Old Testament.
Sirach writing circa 200 BC only knows three major prophets and the 12 minor ones.
The reference to the book of Daniel in the gospels was not necessarily spoken by Jesus, as the context allows it an explanation of Daniel by the gospel writer. However we can live with "Daniel" being a prophet, but in a rather different category to the other three - a theological category.
Sirach writing circa 200 BC only knows three major prophets and the 12 minor ones.
The reference to the book of Daniel in the gospels was not necessarily spoken by Jesus, as the context allows it an explanation of Daniel by the gospel writer. However we can live with "Daniel" being a prophet, but in a rather different category to the other three - a theological category.
RED: I must say I'm having difficulty with this statement after looking at your avatar.
Blue: Logic is man's wisdom.
Isaiah 55:6-9 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: [SUP]7 [/SUP]Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. [SUP]9[/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
1 Corinthians 2:4-5 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: [SUP]5 [/SUP]That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11-16 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
This is quoted from a preterist website:The Eight Rules of Bible Interpretation
1 Cor 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1 Tim 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1 Tim 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
I like to look at it from the perspective of when it was given. I.E. I try to understand the N.T. from a 1st century perspective and look heavily to the history, type, pictures, shadows etc. that come from the O.T. to tie it all together. I agree with first post as well about interpreting the scriptures.
Thanks so much, Misty, for the thread. It is something I have often pondered, I like your comments. Mine are somewhat different, I hope it will make bible students consider and think. I am sorry about some of these posts, they don't seem to me to be from Christ directed thinking.
Usage: I think that when Alexander the Great ushered in Greek type thinking, the way we think today, we need to know that lots of bible was written with how people thought before he came along. It means that when we expect such as the first chapter of Genesis to tell us how God created, and the time frame, it wasn't written to do that but to people who thought like early Hebrews, it is written to tell that God did it, now a manual on how. As an illustration. If we refuse to learn the difference between Hellenized thinking and Hebrew thinking, we have a hard time with the OT.
Context: I think the first thing to understand is that all scripture tells of the one God so if one scripture says God is cruel and another says God is loving, we are reading something wrong and we need to understand what scripture is really saying.
Historical: When scripture says something happened, and we see it is not a parable, then that thing happened, although the goal of all scripture is to illustrate God principles. If we see only history or we see only spiritual, both are not seeing correctly. Over and over, the bible shows the connection between what we do and what the spiritual meaning of that act is.
Logical: I think this gets a lot of people into errors about God when taken too far. It becomes listening to our minds and not reaching for the mind of God. It is like everything of God, there is a balance. No logic and all logic both leads wrong.
But this is really analyzing what could be summed up with that reading scripture is trying to understand the mind of God. Without God involved it could not be done.
Usage: I think that when Alexander the Great ushered in Greek type thinking, the way we think today, we need to know that lots of bible was written with how people thought before he came along. It means that when we expect such as the first chapter of Genesis to tell us how God created, and the time frame, it wasn't written to do that but to people who thought like early Hebrews, it is written to tell that God did it, now a manual on how. As an illustration. If we refuse to learn the difference between Hellenized thinking and Hebrew thinking, we have a hard time with the OT.
Context: I think the first thing to understand is that all scripture tells of the one God so if one scripture says God is cruel and another says God is loving, we are reading something wrong and we need to understand what scripture is really saying.
Historical: When scripture says something happened, and we see it is not a parable, then that thing happened, although the goal of all scripture is to illustrate God principles. If we see only history or we see only spiritual, both are not seeing correctly. Over and over, the bible shows the connection between what we do and what the spiritual meaning of that act is.
Logical: I think this gets a lot of people into errors about God when taken too far. It becomes listening to our minds and not reaching for the mind of God. It is like everything of God, there is a balance. No logic and all logic both leads wrong.
But this is really analyzing what could be summed up with that reading scripture is trying to understand the mind of God. Without God involved it could not be done.