Sabbath

[Skgrim]

Then why does God say, if you love me keep my commandments
so your saying your so weak minded you can't refrain from stealing, and lying, committing adultery, you have to worship other gods, ? There hard but not impossible to live by. The only one most people have a problem with is keeping Gods Sabbath. They have no problem going every Sunday. God is not a liar and he plainly says keep My Sabbath or "you" shall surely die! And He does not contradict Himself. Man does but not God. Make any excuse u want to not keep it but your the one that will not be around unless you repent and ask God for forgiveness to following Satan. I know I should not be so blunt. But ignortness is hard for me to deal with. When you see scripture that are so simple to understand, and people say they don't mean you have to do it. Some scriptures like John 1:1 I can see how you guys don't grasps that one. But a scripture that days hey you Joe if you don't keep my Sabbath your going to die! Pretty self explanatory do it or die! Just saying.

 

[Skgrim]

No Fridayschild that sounds like catholic, it's a struggle to do what God wants, but if you do your very best and you know what your best is, the reward is so worth it, I get down on my knees and pray for God to guide me and. To forgive me and give me strength to do better.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

True Sabbath Rest is found in Christ's Completed work on the tree.. see there he goes again. bringing up that Cross and His Sacrifice, Sorry it all revolves around that.. thus the offense of the Cross is MANIFESTED today as many modern day Judaizers present their 'case' as they attempt to draw many into their 'Error' by confessing Christ, yet wanting them to fulfill the Law at the same time.. however close or 'right' their case may be.. even using God's Word to subtily decieve those Walking in Grace.. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.. Christ's Work on the tree, His completed Work is a Genuine Convert's Sabbath Rest, God knows your heart.. indeed. if Your His elect, ye will 'KNOW ' THIS.. 'Let no man judge you in meat, or drink, or in any Holy Day.......... mmmmmmmmmm Modern Day Judaizers ABOUND today..wow.. some of you have Started in the Spirit but have fallen from Grace, may God grant you Repentance back to the truth.. some of have been sown by their father, the other sower, those will continue in darkness and error unto destruction. indeed!

 

[Skgrim]

GandalfTheWhite
He's breaking the Sabbath, but Jesus healed on the Sabbath and did not break the Sabbath. I could give you so many scriptures on the Sabbath.
You would still come up with a reason
Not to keep it. Until God opens your eyes to the truth, you won't see it. You have to have a open mind, you go by what you are taught not what you read for yourself. You never stick to the same topic, you never give scriptures to back up what your saying!

 

[eyesonly]

Then why does God say, if you love me keep my commandments
so your saying your so weak minded you can't refrain from stealing, and lying, committing adultery, you have to worship other gods, ? There hard but not impossible to live by. The only one most people have a problem with is keeping Gods Sabbath. They have no problem going every Sunday. God is not a liar and he plainly says keep My Sabbath or "you" shall surely die! And He does not contradict Himself. Man does but not God. Make any excuse u want to not keep it but your the one that will not be around unless you repent and ask God for forgiveness to following Satan. I know I should not be so blunt. But ignortness is hard for me to deal with. When you see scripture that are so simple to understand, and people say they don't mean you have to do it. Some scriptures like John 1:1 I can see how you guys don't grasps that one. But a scripture that days hey you Joe if you don't keep my Sabbath your going to die! Pretty self explanatory do it or die! Just saying.

Would you kindly quote the scripture in the new testament where after Christ died on the cross it is written that God says to keep the Sabbath or die.
Our covenant only begins after the death and resurrection of Christ.
If anyone can show me that our covenant starts anywhere before that, please enlighten me.
thank you

God bless

 

[eyesonly]

Exactly what law is dead, your saying the Ten Commandments is dead so we can kill, steal, worship idols have other, gods, we don't have to honor our parents, whooping lets get drunk Sunday and have an orgie then murder the babies, it'd ok. I can have sex with anyone your husband, even your wife. Why not the minister too. Hey the Law is dead!!!!!!!

I'd like you to answer this question from the purity of your heart please.
If i told you that yes, you can do all or any of those things and still be forgiven under grace, WOULD you go out and do them.
would you go kill babies, have orgies, murder people.

thank you
God bless

 

[Skgrim]

Many people, however, think that Paul, the other apostles and the early Church changed the Sabbath day. But what does the record of the New Testament really say?
"Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" (Romans:7:12).
We have seen that Jesus Christ did not change God's Sabbath day. On the contrary, throughout His ministry He showed the true purpose and intent of the Sabbath. Jesus often showed that the Sabbath, and particularly His teachings and actions on that day, prefigured the coming messianic age—the time of the Kingdom of God—as one of healing, freedom and restoration for all humanity.
Jesus was a Sabbath-keeper. At the time of His death, His closest followers clearly observed the Sabbath, waiting until it was past to prepare His body for burial (Matthew:28:1; Mark:16:1-2


; Luke:23:56; 24:1). Fifty days from Christ's resurrection, many gathered for the Day of Pentecost, one of God's seven annual Sabbaths or feasts observed in addition to the weekly Sabbath (Leviticus 23), and it was on that day that the New Testament Church was founded by the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts:2:1-4






).
The Bible shows no evidence of any change at Christ's death and resurrection concerning God's Sabbaths. We see only a continuation of Christ's followers observing them just as He had done—despite the assertions of some to the contrary.

 

[Skgrim]

Bow hunter
maybe you should read this and the scriptures:


If the Sabbath, or any part of God's law, was abolished or changed in the early New Testament Church, we should find clear evidence of such a dramatic shift in the New Testament writings. After all, the books of the New Testament were written in the first century over a period of decades ending in the 90s, more than 60 years after Jesus' death and resurrection.
Many who argue that the Sabbath was abolished in the New Testament point to the apostle Paul's writings to justify their view. But is this opinion correct? They commonly cite three passages to support that claim—Romans:14:5-6


, Colossians:2:16-17


and Galatians:4:9-10


.
To properly understand these passages we must look at each in context, both in the immediate context of what is being discussed and in the larger social and historical context influencing the author and his audience at the time. We must also be careful not to read our preconceived notions into the text. With that in mind, let's examine these passages and see if Paul indeed annulled or abolished Sabbath observance in his writings.
First, let's consider Paul's own statements about God's law. More than 25 years after the death of Jesus Christ, he wrote in Romans:7:12, "Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good." In Romans:2:13 he stated, "For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified." In Romans:7:22 he said, "For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man."
Many assume that once we have faith in Jesus Christ, we have no more need to keep the law. Paul himself addressed this concept in Romans:3:31: "Do we then make void [Greek katargeo, meaning 'destroy' or 'abolish'] the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish [Greek histemi, meaning 'erect' or 'make to stand'] the law." Faith does not abolish the law, said Paul; it establishes and upholds it.
In Acts 24 he defended himself before the Roman governor Felix against charges of dissension and sedition brought by Jewish religious leaders. Replying to the accusations against him, he said, "I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets" (verse 14).
Two years later he again defended himself against such accusations, this time before another Roman governor, Festus. "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all," he responded to the charges against him (Acts:25:8).
Here, some 25 to 30 years after Jesus Christ's death and resurrection, Paul plainly said he believed "all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets" (terms used for the books of the Old Testament) and had done nothing against the law!
In light of these clear statements, we should expect to find equally clear instructions regarding abolition of the Sabbath, if that had been Paul's understanding and intent. But do we?

 

[Skgrim]

In Romans:14:5-6. For eyes only


, Paul wrote: "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks."
From this statement, it could appear to some that Paul is saying that whatever day one chooses to rest and worship is irrelevant so long as one is "fully convinced in his own mind" and "observes it to the Lord." Does this mean that the Sabbath is no different from any other day or that we are free to choose whatever day we wish to observe?
To come to that conclusion, one must read it into the verse, because the Sabbath is nowhere mentioned here. In fact, the word Sabbath or references to Sabbath-keeping are not found anywhere in the book of Romans. The reference here is simply to "days," not the Sabbath or any other days of rest and worship commanded by God.
Keep in mind that Paul, earlier in this same epistle, had written that "the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good," that "the doers of the law will be justified," and that he found "delight in the law of God" (Romans:7:12; 2:13; 7:22). If he were saying in Romans 14 that Sabbath observance is irrelevant, such an assertion would be completely inconsistent with his other clear statements in this same letter.

 

[Skgrim]

What are the days Paul mentions here? We must look at the context to find out.
The passage in question about days in Romans:14:5-6


is immediately between references to eating meat and vegetarianism in verses 2, 3 and 6. There is no biblical connection between Sabbath observance and vegetarianism, so these verses must be taken out of context to assume Paul was referring to the Sabbath.
The Expositor's Bible Commentary explains that "the close contextual association with eating suggests that Paul has in mind a special day set apart for observance as a time for feasting or as a time for fasting" (Everett Harrison, 1976, Vol. 10, p. 146). It is apparent that Paul wasn't discussing the Sabbath but, rather, other days during which feasting, fasting or abstaining from certain foods was practiced.
Paul was writing to a congregation composed of both Jewish and gentile believers in Rome (Romans:1:13; 2:17). Eating and fasting practices that were not clearly addressed in the Scriptures had become a point of contention.
The Talmud records that many Jews of that time fasted on Mondays and Thursdays. They also had other traditional fast days (compare Zechariah:7:3-5




). Since some of the Jewish Christians in Rome self-righteously criticized others (Romans:2:17-24














), perhaps they had become like the Pharisee who boasted, "I fast twice a week" (Luke:18:12), and set themselves up as more righteous than others who were not fasting at these times.
Possibly members of the church at Rome were trying to enforce fasting on particular days on other Christians there, prompting Paul's pointed question, "Who are you to judge another's servant?" (verse 4). Paul appears to be setting the record straight by emphasizing that fasting is a voluntary exercise of worship not limited to particular days. Therefore, one person's fasting on a particular day when another is eating does not make him more righteous.

 

[Skgrim]

In Romans:14:2-3


Paul discussed vegetarianism ("he who is weak eats only vegetables") and continued this theme in verse 6 ("he who eats . . . and he who does not eat").
The context shows us that some members of the congregation there were eating meat, and others were abstaining from eating meat. The vegetarians were likely members who "feared lest they should (without knowing it) eat meat which had been offered to idols or was otherwise ceremonially unclean (which might easily happen in such a place as Rome), that they abstained from meat altogether" (W.J. Conybeare and J.S. Howson, The Life and Epistles of St. Paul, 1974, p. 530).
In 1 Corinthians 8 and 10, Paul addressed the issue of eating meat that may have been sacrificed to idols and consequently could have been viewed by some members as improper to eat. Paul's point in that chapter was that unknown association of food with idolatrous activity did not make that food unsuitable for eating.
Paul was evidently addressing the same issue with both the Romans and the Corinthians, namely whether members should avoid meats that may have been associated with idolatrous worship. This is indicated by Paul's reference to "unclean" meat in Romans:14:14. Rather than using the Greek word used to describe those meats listed in the Old Testament as unclean, he used a word meaning "common" or "defiled," which would be appropriate in describing meat that had been sacrificed to idols.
Paul's advice in 1 Corinthians 8 was the same as his conclusion in Romans:14:15: Be especially careful not to offend a fellow Christian, causing him to stumble or lose faith over the issue of meats.
In no way was this related to Sabbath observance, as the Sabbath is nowhere associated in Scripture with abstaining from eating meat or any food. The Sabbath is nowhere mentioned in Paul's letter to the Romans; it simply wasn't the issue.
Those who look to Paul's letter to the Romans for justification for their view that he abrogates keeping Old Testament laws face the added burden of explaining why, if his purpose is to argue that those laws are done away, Paul quotes from that same Old Testament more than 80 times in this same epistle as authority for his teaching. This simple fact alone confirms Paul's view that "the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" (Romans:7:12).

 

[Skgrim]

Galatians:4:9-10


is another passage from Paul's epistles that some see as condemning Sabbath observance. In these verses Paul wrote: "But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years."
Those who argue against Sabbath observance typically see Paul's reference to "days and months and seasons and years" as pointing to the Sabbath, festivals and sabbatical and jubilee years given in the Old Testament (Leviticus 23, 25). They see these God-given observances as the "weak and miserable principles" (NIV) to which the Galatians were "turn[ing] again" and becoming "in bondage" (verse 9).
Is this Paul's meaning? There is an obvious problem with viewing these verses as critical of the Sabbath. As with Romans 14, the Sabbath is not even mentioned here. The term "Sabbath," "Sabbaths" and any related words do not appear anywhere in this epistle to the Galatians.
Again, to argue against keeping the Sabbath, some assume that the "years" referred to in Galatians:4:10 are the sabbatical and jubilee years described in Leviticus 25. However, the jubilee year was not being observed anywhere in Paul's day, and the sabbatical year was not being observed in areas outside the land of Israel ( Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 14, p. 582, and Jewish Encyclopedia, "Sabbatical Year and Jubilee," p. 666). The fact that Galatia was in Asia Minor, far outside the land of Israel, makes it illogical to conclude that Paul could have been referring here to the sabbatical and jubilee years.
The Greek words Paul used for "days and months and seasons and years" are used throughout the New Testament in describing normal, civil periods of time. They are totally different from the precise terms Paul used in Colossians:2:16 specifying the Sabbaths, festivals and new-moon observances given in the Bible. He used exact terminology for biblical observances in Colossians, but used very different Greek words in Galatians—a clear indication that he was discussing altogether different subjects.
To understand what Paul meant, we must be sure to carefully examine both the historic and immediate contexts of these verses.

 

[Skgrim]

It is true that there was a Judaizing faction trying to introduce to the Galatians the need to be circumcised and take up the entire ritual system of the Mosaic law—which Paul strongly opposed. But this was new to the people here. For the Galatian churches were composed mostly of members from a gentile, rather than Jewish, background. Paul made it clear that they were physically uncircumcised (Galatians:5:2; 6:12-13), so they could not have been Jewish.
This background is important in understanding this controversial passage. In Galatians:4:9-10


, Paul said that the Galatians were "turn[ing] again to the weak and beggarly elements," which included "days and months and seasons and years." Since Paul's readers were from a gentile background, it is difficult to see how the "days and months and seasons and years" they were turning back to could be the Sabbath and other biblical festivals, since they could not turn back to something they had not previously observed.
This is made even clearer by the immediate context. In verse 8, Paul said, "When you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods." By this Paul referred "clearly to the idols of paganism, which, in typical Jewish idiom, Paul termed 'not gods'" (James Boice, The Expositor's Bible Commentary, 1976, Vol. 10, p. 475).

 

[Skgrim]

Is it possible that these "weak and beggarly elements" they were returning to (verse 9) could be God's laws, Sabbaths and festivals? The word translated "elements" here is the Greek word stoicheia, the same word translated "elements" earlier in verse 3. There Paul described his readers as having been "in bondage under the elements of the world." For this to refer to God's law in verse 9, it would also have to refer to His law in verse 3, since the same word is used.
To say that verse 3 refers to biblical law is insupportable, because these Galatians were gentiles, not Jews, and thus had no history of keeping the biblical laws. Also, "it does not explain why or how Paul could add the phrase 'of the world' to the term stoicheia. All Jewish thought would emphasize the other-worldly character of the law resulting from its divine origin" (ibid., p. 472).
Far more reasonable is to understand "elements of the world" as designating either fundamental principles of false human religion or the specific pagan concept of elemental spirits controlling natural forces. The Expositor's Bible Commentary continues: "It would seem that in Paul's time this exceedingly early and primitive view had been expanded to the point at which the stoicheia also referred to the sun, moon, stars, and planets—all of them associated with gods or goddesses and, because they regulated the progression of the calendar, also associated with the great pagan festivals honoring the gods. In Paul's view these gods were demons. Hence, he would be thinking of a demonic bondage in which the Galatians had indeed been held prior to the proclamation of the gospel . . .
"In the verses that follow, Paul goes on to speak of these three crucial subjects in quick succession: (1) 'those who by nature are not gods,' presumably false gods or demons; (2) 'those weak and miserable principles,' again stoicheia; and (3) 'days and months and seasons and years' (vv. 9, 10). No doubt Paul would think of these demons in ways entirely different from the former thinking of the Galatians . . . Thus, this whole issue takes on a cosmic and spiritual significance. The ultimate contrast to freedom in Christ is bondage to Satan and the evil spirits" (ibid.).
In any case, astrology was probably a major aspect of this. In Deuteronomy 18, God calls pagan fortune-tellers "observers of times" (verses 10, 14, KJV). While God gave the heavenly bodies "for signs and seasons, and for days and years" (Genesis:1:14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years, the pagan nations had succumbed to attributing power and influence to these objects and the times they marked. God warned, "Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the Gentiles are dismayed at them" (Jeremiah:10:2).

 

[Bowhunter2394]

It is true that there was a Judaizing faction trying to introduce to the Galatians the need to be circumcised and take up the entire ritual system of the Mosaic law—which Paul strongly opposed. But this was new to the people here. For the Galatian churches were composed mostly of members from a gentile, rather than Jewish, background. Paul made it clear that they were physically uncircumcised (Galatians:5:2; 6:12-13), so they could not have been Jewish.
This background is important in understanding this controversial passage. In Galatians:4:9-10


, Paul said that the Galatians were "turn[ing] again to the weak and beggarly elements," which included "days and months and seasons and years." Since Paul's readers were from a gentile background, it is difficult to see how the "days and months and seasons and years" they were turning back to could be the Sabbath and other biblical festivals, since they could not turn back to something they had not previously observed.
This is made even clearer by the immediate context. In verse 8, Paul said, "When you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods." By this Paul referred "clearly to the idols of paganism, which, in typical Jewish idiom, Paul termed 'not gods'" (James Boice, The Expositor's Bible Commentary, 1976, Vol. 10, p. 475).

the Judaizing Faction is ALIVE AND WELL on this forum. oh indeed.. one does not need to look at History or the Nation of Israel in the flesh.. no they are ALIVE AND WELL right here.. lolz.. I've been in the wilderness too long.. and been off the chat room scene.. but coming back.. and OBSERVING THE doctrine and what is taught.. yikes.. America, the new Galatia!

 

[Skgrim]

Bowhunter:
you sound like your running scared, scared of the truth back up with history and scriptures in the KIng James Bible
you remind me of a parrot repeat what you were taught

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Bowhunter:
you sound like your running scared, scared of the truth back up with history and scriptures in the KIng James Bible
you remind me of a parrot repeat what you were taught

Scared and running.. oh YOU greatly Error..lolz... King James Bible.. Oh I have many King James Bible's that are worn and torn from the 'use' of using them to Study the Word.. translating the Hebrew and Greek... indeed.... what I was Taught? I dont follow the doctines and commandments of Men.. sorry.. neither from my youth or any modern day 'man made theologies' thrown out there by those who cut up Christ into many different parts.. sorry.. your Error # 2.. better get ur discernment 'beam' going. if there is any there.. In Truth..-------->

But I Certify you, Brethren, that the Gospel which was Preached of me is not after man.

For I neither Received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1 Indeed


sorry, you'll have to try HARDER with your pin point discernment.. because from what I've seen you type and what you 'say'.. you miss the mark and are still in error... but it doesnt suprise.. for the 'weeds-tares' are coming to their full blossom here shortly.. but those are bound for the Fire and every Tree which does not bear good fruit.. the axe is laid to its base.. and it is hewn down and thrown into the fire'.. indeed this Christ I speak of and TEstify of? Oh He is Eternal Life, God manifest in the flesh.. Indeed. ALIVE today.. I 'know' that .. careful....

 

[Blain]

Are you kidding me ppl? are we not Christians? do Christians go out be mean to each other because of a heated debate? I seriously wonder the point of debates if in the end we just end up being rude to each other

 

[wincam]

if you mean go by what the false church has promoted when the false church under hasatan authorized the
supposed change to sun-god-worship day,
then you are absolutely and totally and forever wrong.

not at all - before passing judgement you should have checked you calendar to see if the week started on a Monday - wincam

 

[Skgrim]

I can not wait for Jesus Christ to return, there will be one faith one way to worship God and if anyone follows Satan they will be as if they never lived . No more corruption and false worship. Satan is so slick you don't even know he controls you and I'm letting him drag me into his world. I will pray for the ones that a truly searching for the truth. He said when he comes back there would be few if any when he returns.