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gotime

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by the way I include context in that also. I am happy for someone to show me that the context of Gen 2 makes it mean something different that what I say. But you have to actually show it not just say "your wrong".
 
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by the way I include context in that also. I am happy for someone to show me that the context of Gen 2 makes it mean something different that what I say. But you have to actually show it not just say "your wrong".
Don't worry mate no one will show you anything because what you are saying is from God's Word. :rolleyes:
 
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The problem is always the same, When it comes down to it none will actually address the texts. They just jump here and there and everywhere and if you try to address the texts they use they continue to jump or rather give their own interpretation. But none just acknowledge what the text says.
I think this is the key point as well. It is only through the Word of God that we can find Jesus and know the truth because he is the Word. You leave the Word of God to follow the teachings of man you are leaving Jesus. It is only by continuing in God's Word that we can know the truth of what God wants us to do.......

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32) This promise is conditional on continuing in God's Word

and further..........

"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." (Isa 55:6-7)

If you do the above God promises.........

"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." (Jer 29:13)

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." (John 16:13)

"If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself." (John 7:17)

If people want to find Jesus and His truth they need to ask him for it and seek him and find him and know him through His Word. We must always point people there so they can find Jesus for themselves.

God bless you
 

JohnTalmid

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You are full of psychological ploys...
You don't believe but I know where you are going with this.
I understand the the doctrine you are trying to push - and I don't agree with it.

Ultimately you would not be pushing this ridiculous doctrine apart from having to justify the ridiculous ramblings of Ellen White.
O my. Do you hear yourself when you speak gracenpeace? You put off more people than you help with your cuts.
 

Grandpa

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by the way I include context in that also. I am happy for someone to show me that the context of Gen 2 makes it mean something different that what I say. But you have to actually show it not just say "your wrong".
You've been shown, over and over and over but you refuse to see.

Same with your cohorts.

It is abundantly obvious that Christians are not under the law. That is a FACT.

You can argue it, just like the pharisees who believed in Acts 15, but I think you are on the wrong side of the argument. The anti-Christian side.
 
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You've been shown, over and over and over but you refuse to see.
Same with your cohorts.
It is abundantly obvious that Christians are not under the law. That is a FACT.
You can argue it, just like the pharisees who believed in Acts 15, but I think you are on the wrong side of the argument. The anti-Christian side.
"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47)

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judges: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." (Rom 2:1)
 

gotime

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You've been shown, over and over and over but you refuse to see.

Same with your cohorts.

It is abundantly obvious that Christians are not under the law. That is a FACT.

You can argue it, just like the pharisees who believed in Acts 15, but I think you are on the wrong side of the argument. The anti-Christian side.
not true. You guys almost always reply in the way you hace now.

You quote acts which is not Gen 2 demonstrate the connection.

You say not under the law. I was addressing Gen 2. Demonstrate the connection.
 

Grandpa

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not true. You guys almost always reply in the way you hace now.

You quote acts which is not Gen 2 demonstrate the connection.

You say not under the law. I was addressing Gen 2. Demonstrate the connection.
Do you want to go over your error in Genesis 2 again?
 

gotime

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Do you want to go over your error in Genesis 2 again?
My first point is simple here it is:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God blessed and sanctified a day the 7th to be exact.

Now please show me the error in that.
 

JohnTalmid

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Don't know who said it first on here, Sabbath is not commanded in the beginning, (Gen) because they where not in rebellion against God they walked with God, (meaning they were in agreement, or one)

This is why we are not saved by the law but through faith by grace. Grace theologically defined is unmerited favor. Grace or favor was given before the sacrifice of the Messiah we know of, not to say it wasn't done before the foundation of the creation. Favor was given to the individuals who are obedient to the Word of God. Nothing has changed since then. Through Faith Abraham believed God and it was credited him for righteousness. In what manner did Abraham believe God? Through keeping the commands, judgments, and rulings of God. It wasn't through the Law Abraham had Faith his belief is faith, just as we too must put our faith in the Messiah to be saved and bare the cross, (instruction of God) in our walk if we really agree with God and the testimony of Messiah.
 
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Don't know who said it first on here, Sabbath is not commanded in the beginning, (Gen) because they where not in rebellion against God they walked with God, (meaning they were in agreement, or one)
This made me smile. As if God didn't know from the first second He started with His creation that there would be a rebellion from the angels and a man named Adam that would fall into sin.
 
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Sometimes we want to analyse God as if He is human.

This might be a newsflash but: If we think God's word is in error and He had to change it to accommodate us... we are wrong... not God. He is God and can never be wrong or change.

His standards are set in stone (literally) and we can choose to embrace them or ignore them :)

God bless friends
 

JohnTalmid

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If you want to quote me I'd appreciate it if you quote all. As I did mention that sacrifice from the beginning
 
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Sure God knew but man did not.
Brother, if we for one minute think that Adam did not keep God's law we are not discussing the same god. The Bible is clear, God does not change. If we don't understand the law or the purpose of the law we are at fault.

I agree with you that the law was never given to us for salvation purposes. The law gives us a glimpse of God's character and once again He is not changing. People who want to enter covenant with God on a "free for all" basis are making a mistake. We have our guidelines and God gave it for a reason.
 

Grandpa

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My first point is simple here it is:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God blessed and sanctified a day the 7th to be exact.

Now please show me the error in that.
That's what the scriptures say. There's no error.
 

Yonah

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I'm amazed at how hard folks work to find excuses not to simply do as the Creator of the universe told us to do.