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That doesn't really make any sense, does it?

The Law still applies but we are not under it? If it still applies then we ARE still under it.

Only if it DIDN'T apply would we NOT be under it.

This is why it is called the Ministry of Death and Condemnation,
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.


Under the Law means you think it still applies to you. If it still applies to you then every jot and tittle applies. Not one jot or one tittle will fall from the Law until All is fulfilled.
Again... Physical covenant... Physical penalties. The Messiah's body paid those penalties.... hence... no more sacrifices. Spiritual covenant has spiritual penalties hence this verse:


Matthew 5:19

19 So whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven.

We are no longer under the physical... no physical earthly penalties. Yet we still are under the spiritual... and occur penalties that we will face after judgement.


You ignore the verses that call the law good... and a blessing... and freedom, and only speak on the verses that talk about the curse of the law. You only think of the law within one box as a whole package.... scripture doesn't talk about it that way.

Paul speaks a lot about the curse side of the law... the sin.... the penalties. That is the debt that the messiah paid. That debt was "fulfilled".



Isaiah 65:17-25

17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.


Was that passage fulfilled???


The Messiah said:

Luke 24:44

44 Then he told them, “These are the words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled.”
 

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What sabbath are you referring to that we are commanded to keep???
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This is the new covenant.

Ecc 12:13 KJV Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

It has been proven in History and the word that Christians kept the sabbath after Jesus died.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Rev 14:12 KJV Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

No one rejects any of the other 9 commandments but the Sabbath is only for the Jews.
 

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Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This is the new covenant.

Ecc 12:13 KJV Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

It has been proven in History and the word that Christians kept the sabbath after Jesus died.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Rev 14:12 KJV Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

No one rejects any of the other 9 commandments but the Sabbath is only for the Jews.
There is only One Sabbath we must find Rest in. It is not Saturday and it is not Sunday and it is not any other day of the week.

All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
Come to Me
, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Matthew 11
 

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Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

If you look to the law to try and keep it that is what happens. Because you don't keep it. All you can do is pretend that you keep it. And your pretending doesn't fool anyone.


We don't make the law void through our faith in Christ. We are Gods Workmanship. He produces the fruit of righteousness in our lives. This fruit of Righteousness is what establishes the Law. Not pretending to keep it in your own strength and knowledge.

Pretending to keep it in my own strength.???

Bless you,

If you agree we keep the Law through faith?? Faith is knowing we are already justified. Keeping the law is a sign of faith as James points out>>

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
 

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There was a change to the Law. No one could keep the "moral" law.

Could you find ONE place in scripture where anyone refers to the 10 commandments as the "moral" law? From what I've seen its a construct invented by legalists to continue their worship of the Law.


I can't find the word moral anywhere in the Bible.

But it has been explained many times the difference between the laws that define sin and the laws that were given because of sin.

JESUS gave many laws and commands to people in the old testament to point them to His ministry and His way of saving mankind. Added because of sin.
A law must be in place to define sin or we are not sinners.

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The perfect Law doesn't need to be taken away.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 

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There is only One Sabbath we must find Rest in. It is not Saturday and it is not Sunday and it is not any other day of the week.

All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
Come to Me
, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Matthew 11
I agree that our rest is found in Jesus.
But do we disobey Christ because He wants us to find rest in Him.

True peace and rest comes when we surrender our wills to Jesus. True peace is found when we come close to Jesus.

When i sin i find unrest, and i have only one way to restore that peace = repentance. By faith i can be forgiven.
The Sabbath was made for man = it is a wonderful gift that can help everyone grow closer to Jesus.
 

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I agree that our rest is found in Jesus.
But do we disobey Christ because He wants us to find rest in Him.

True peace and rest comes when we surrender our wills to Jesus. True peace is found when we come close to Jesus.

When i sin i find unrest, and i have only one way to restore that peace = repentance. By faith i can be forgiven.
The Sabbath was made for man = it is a wonderful gift that can help everyone grow closer to Jesus.
Committing adultery against the Lord is sin.

Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death.
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Following the Law will not bear the fruit the Lord desires from you.
 

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Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Its funny how the 4th command is so easily forgotten. Mark 7:13 what many are blind to is a blessing James 2:18

I can understand someone keeping Sunday from tradition, But lets not make the word of God of None effect......
 

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Committing adultery against the Lord is sin.

Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death.
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Following the Law will not bear the fruit the Lord desires from you.
We have been released from the law, we have be freed from the law, we are no longer under it because of what Jesus has done.

How did it bind us? What is paul talking about when he says "released from the law"?

When Jesus paid our penalty for not keeping the law we became free from the curse of death.

Read what paul is saying again and understand that he is not saying we should sin on purpose. The Spirit perfectly obeys Gods law and the flesh desires to disobey the law. If we crucify the flesh and allow the spirit to live in us we don't need to worry about breaking the law.

The law is a curse to the sinful flesh because we are cursed to death.
Past present and future is sorted out by Jesus, by faith in Jesus we are saved from the curse of sin which is defined by the law.
By grace we are freed from the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 

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Committing adultery against the Lord is sin.

Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God......

I'm not married to the law and i do not think the law has any power to save me.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

By obeying the law or the Sabbath will not help me when i am judged.
My salvation is 100% found in what Jesus has done for me, the gift of grace that we gain by faith.

Because i love Him i volunteer to obey the perfect, holy, royal, spiritual law of liberty.
 

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We have been released from the law, we have be freed from the law, we are no longer under it because of what Jesus has done.

How did it bind us? What is paul talking about when he says "released from the law"?

When Jesus paid our penalty for not keeping the law we became free from the curse of death.

Read what paul is saying again and understand that he is not saying we should sin on purpose. The Spirit perfectly obeys Gods law and the flesh desires to disobey the law. If we crucify the flesh and allow the spirit to live in us we don't need to worry about breaking the law.

The law is a curse to the sinful flesh because we are cursed to death.
Past present and future is sorted out by Jesus, by faith in Jesus we are saved from the curse of sin which is defined by the law.
By grace we are freed from the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The Perfect Law of God is JESUS CHRIST - not the old death of the letter of the law.
When we are Born Again and filled with the Holy Spirit, God writes the Law of Christ on our hearts to obey Him.

You are mixing carnal thinking into God's word which is sin - repent from adultery against Christ - it will Save You.

The Lord Jesus gave you two commandments to obey - just Two.
Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
 

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Matthew 5

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Jesus Teaches the People
5 When Jesus saw the crowds of people there, he went up on a hill and sat down. His followers came and sat next to him. 2 Then Jesus began teaching the people. He said,
3 “Great blessings belong to those who know they are spiritually in need.[a]
God’s kingdom belongs to them.
4 Great blessings belong to those who are sad now.
God will comfort them.
5 Great blessings belong to those who are humble.
They will be given the land God promised.[b]
6 Great blessings belong to those who want to do right more than anything else.[c]
God will fully satisfy them.
7 Great blessings belong to those who show mercy to others.
Mercy will be given to them.
8 Great blessings belong to those whose thoughts are pure.
They will be with God.
9 Great blessings belong to those who work to bring peace.
God will call them his sons and daughters.
10 Great blessings belong to those who suffer persecution for doing what is right.
God’s kingdom belongs to them.
11 “People will insult you and hurt you. They will lie and say all kinds of evil things about you because you follow me. But when they do that, know that great blessings belong to you. 12 Be happy about it. Be very glad because you have a great reward waiting for you in heaven. People did these same bad things to the prophets who lived before you.
You Are Like Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its taste, it cannot be made salty again. Salt is useless if it loses its salty taste. It will be thrown out where people will just walk on it.
14 “You are the light that shines for the world to see. You are like a city built on a hill that cannot be hidden. 15 People don’t hide a lamp under a bowl. They put it on a lampstand. Then the light shines for everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, you should be a light for other people. Live so that they will see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.
Jesus and the Old Testament Writings
17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. I have come not to destroy their teachings but to give full meaning to them. 18 I assure you that nothing will disappear from the law until heaven and earth are gone. The law will not lose even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter until it has all been done.
19 “A person should obey every command in the law, even one that does not seem important. Whoever refuses to obey any command and teaches others not to obey it will be the least important in God’s kingdom. But whoever obeys the law and teaches others to obey it will be great in God’s kingdom. 20 I tell you that you must do better than the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. If you are not more pleasing to God than they are, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
Jesus Teaches About Anger
21 “You have heard that it was said to our people long ago, ‘You must not murder anyone.[d] Any person who commits murder will be judged.’ 22 But I tell you, don’t be angry with anyone. If you are angry with others, you will be judged. And if you insult someone, you will be judged by the high court. And if you call someone a fool, you will be in danger of the fire of hell.
23 “So, what if you are offering your gift at the altar and remember that someone has something against you? 24 Leave your gift there and go make peace with that person. Then come and offer your gift.
25 “If anyone wants to take you to court, make friends with them quickly. Try to do that before you get to the court. If you don’t, they might hand you over to the judge. And the judge will hand you over to a guard, who will throw you into jail. 26 I assure you that you will not leave there until you have paid everything you owe.
Jesus Teaches About Sexual Sin
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind. 29 If your right eye makes you sin, take it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than to have your whole body thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Jesus Teaches About Divorce
31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery.
Jesus Teaches About Making Promises
33 “You have heard that it was said to our people long ago, ‘When you make a vow, you must not break your promise. Keep the vows that you make to the Lord.’[g] 34 But I tell you, when you make a promise, don’t try to make it stronger with a vow. Don’t make a vow using the name of heaven, because heaven is God’s throne. 35 Don’t make a vow using the name of the earth, because the earth belongs to him.[h] Don’t make a vow using the name of Jerusalem, because it also belongs to him, the great King. 36 And don’t even say that your own head is proof that you will keep your promise. You cannot make one hair on your head white or black. 37 Say only ‘yes’ if you mean ‘yes,’ and say only ‘no’ if you mean ‘no.’ If you say more than that, it is from the Evil One.
Jesus Teaches About Fighting Back
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i] 39 But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too. 40 If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too. 41 If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two. 42 Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly. 45 If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong. 46 If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that. 47 And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends. 48 What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
 

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Hebrews 3

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Jesus Is Greater Than Moses
3 So, my brothers and sisters, those chosen by God to be his holy people, think about Jesus. He is the one we believe God sent to save us and to be our high priest. 2 God made him our high priest, and he was faithful to God just as Moses was. He did everything God wanted him to do in God’s house. 3 When someone builds a house, people will honor the builder more than the house. It is the same with Jesus. He should have more honor than Moses. 4 Every house is built by someone, but God built everything. 5 Moses was faithful as a servant in God’s whole house. He told people what God would say in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful in ruling God’s house as the Son. And we are God’s house, if we remain confident of the great hope we are glad to say we have.
We Must Continue to Follow God
7 So it is just as the Holy Spirit says:
“If you hear God’s voice today,
8 don’t be stubborn as you were in the past,
when you turned against God.
That was the day you tested God in the desert.
9 For 40 years in the desert, your people saw what I did.
But they tested me and my patience.
10 So I was angry with them.
I said, ‘Their thoughts are always wrong.
They have never understood my ways.’
11 So I was angry and made a promise:
‘They will never enter my place of rest.’”
12 So, brothers and sisters, be careful that none of you has the evil thoughts that cause so much doubt that you stop following the living God. 13 But encourage each other every day, while you still have something called “today.[a]” Help each other so that none of you will be fooled by sin and become too hard to change. 14 We have the honor of sharing in all that Christ has if we continue until the end to have the sure faith we had in the beginning. 15 That’s why the Spirit said,
“If you hear God’s voice today,
don’t be stubborn as in the past
when you turned against God.”
16 Who were those who heard God’s voice and turned against him? It was all the people Moses led out of Egypt. 17 And who was God angry with for 40 years? He was angry with those who sinned. And their dead bodies were left in the desert. 18 And which people was God talking to when he promised that they would never enter his place of rest? He was talking to those who did not obey him. 19 So we see that they were not allowed to enter and have God’s rest, because they did not believe.
 

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Hebrews 4

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4 And we still have the promise that God gave those people. That promise is that we can enter his place of rest. So we should be very careful that none of you fails to get that promise. 2 Yes, the good news about it was told to us just as it was to them. But the message they heard did not help them. They heard it but did not accept it with faith. 3 Only we who believe it are able to enter God’s place of rest. As God said,
“I was angry and made a promise:
‘They will never enter my place of rest.’”
But God’s work was finished from the time he made the world. 4 Yes, somewhere in the Scriptures he talked about the seventh day of the week. He said, “So on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”[a] 5 But in the Scripture above God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.”
6 So the opportunity is still there for some to enter and enjoy God’s rest. But those who first heard the good news about it did not enter, because they did not obey. 7 So God planned another special day. It is called “today.” He spoke about that day through David a long time later using the words we quoted before:
“If you hear God’s voice today,
don’t be stubborn.”
8 We know that Joshua did not lead the people into the place of rest that God promised. We know this because God spoke later about another day for rest. 9 This shows that the seventh-day rest[b] for God’s people is still to come. 10 God rested after he finished his work. So everyone who enters God’s place of rest will also have rest from their own work just as God did. 11 So let us try as hard as we can to enter God’s place of rest. We must try hard so that none of us will be lost by following the example of those who refused to obey God.
12 God’s word[c] is alive and working. It is sharper than the sharpest sword and cuts all the way into us. It cuts deep to the place where the soul and the spirit are joined. God’s word cuts to the center of our joints and our bones. It judges the thoughts and feelings in our hearts. 13 Nothing in all the world can be hidden from God. He can clearly see all things. Everything is open before him. And to him we must explain the way we have lived.
Jesus Christ Is Our High Priest
14 We have a great high priest who has gone to live with God in heaven. He is Jesus the Son of God. So let us continue to express our faith in him. 15 Jesus, our high priest, is able to understand our weaknesses. When Jesus lived on earth, he was tempted in every way. He was tempted in the same ways we are tempted, but he never sinned. 16 With Jesus as our high priest, we can feel free to come before God’s throne where there is grace. There we receive mercy and kindness to help us when we need it.
Footnotes
  1. Hebrews 4:4 Quote from Gen. 2:2.
 

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Again... Physical covenant... Physical penalties. The Messiah's body paid those penalties.... hence... no more sacrifices. Spiritual covenant has spiritual penalties hence this verse:


Matthew 5:19

19 So whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven.

We are no longer under the physical... no physical earthly penalties. Yet we still are under the spiritual... and occur penalties that we will face after judgement.


You ignore the verses that call the law good... and a blessing... and freedom, and only speak on the verses that talk about the curse of the law. You only think of the law within one box as a whole package.... scripture doesn't talk about it that way.

Paul speaks a lot about the curse side of the law... the sin.... the penalties. That is the debt that the messiah paid. That debt was "fulfilled".



Isaiah 65:17-25

17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.


Was that passage fulfilled???


The Messiah said:

Luke 24:44

44 Then he told them, “These are the words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled.”
So which jots and tittles had to be removed from the Law in order for the physical covenant with its physical penalties to no longer apply?


Why is this so difficult for you? It should be extremely simple.

If one jot or one tittle was removed from the Law then what did Jesus do? Starts with an F... Ends with a ulfill...

Not at some distant second coming. When the Lord said He would fulfill it the first time.
 

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So which jots and tittles had to be removed from the Law in order for the physical covenant with its physical penalties to no longer apply?


Why is this so difficult for you? It should be extremely simple.

If one jot or one tittle was removed from the Law then what did Jesus do? Starts with an F... Ends with a ulfill...

Not at some distant second coming. When the Lord said He would fulfill it the first time.
lol x 100 - that was beautiful
 

Grandpa

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Pretending to keep it in my own strength.???

Bless you,

If you agree we keep the Law through faith?? Faith is knowing we are already justified. Keeping the law is a sign of faith as James points out>>

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Nope. Try again.

Galatians 3:11-12
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
 

laymen

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Nope. Try again.

Galatians 3:11-12
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Oh bless you,

Grandpa! Its a sign of love not Justification. <<<<<<<I will highlight this time.
 

Grandpa

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lol x 100 - that was beautiful
Wouldn't you assume that your understanding is lacking before you try to show Christians that the Lord Jesus failed in what He came to do and also mis-spoke or was blatantly wrong about anything?

Some peoples children...:ROFL: