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geaux4it

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What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
 

JaumeJ

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What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
For starters our Father gave it to us as a gift.

It symbolizes the seventh millennium for me............so yes, I opt to keep the Sabbath separate as a special day.........whether I have been scheduled to work my mundane work as employment or not........it is still a separate day.
 

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What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
it was a command for the nation of Israel only. it was never commanded for gentiles. we are to take a day of rest, as God the father instituted in the Creation, but non-jews were never under the Sabbath command.
 

Dino246

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What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
There are two meanings for "Sabbath". One is the seventh-day rest, instituted by God at the end of the creation week. This was reinforced in Exodus 20 as a commandment for Israel. They were to rest from all labour.

The other meaning is the eternal rest, into which we enter by trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation. We rest from all effort at attaining our salvation by works.
 
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Fulfilling the righteousness demanded by the 4th commandment is seeking first the kingdom of GOD and his righteousness so that we may know GOD.
 

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it was a command for the nation of Israel only. it was never commanded for gentiles. we are to take a day of rest, as God the father instituted in the Creation, but non-jews were never under the Sabbath command.
Yes, it was established at creation. I imagine that people were keeping the Sabbath long before there even was a Jew. What makes you think that God didn't share with Adam His intent on Sabbath worship? The law given at Sinai/Horeb didn't establish the Sabbath, it said remember the Sabbath. God made the seventh day holy and man cannot make it unholy.

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Grandpa

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People focus on the wrong things.

Its not the seventh day that was established at creation.

It was Rest that was established at creation.

That's what Sabbath means. It means Rest.


What it doesn't mean is worship Saturdays by doing whatever it is you think you need to do on Saturdays.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
 

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People focus on the wrong things.

Its not the seventh day that was established at creation.

It was Rest that was established at creation.

That's what Sabbath means. It means Rest.


What it doesn't mean is worship Saturdays by doing whatever it is you think you need to do on Saturdays.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Gen. 2:2, 3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

It looks like it was the day that was sanctified and not the rest period. in-deep-thought-smiley-emoticon.gif
 

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“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:17-19 NKJV

Jeremiah 31:33-34
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, said the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

“I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them” (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

Source: The following passages in the New Testament confirm, either explicitly or by example, that Jesus and the apostles viewed the Ten Commandments as necessary for true Christian living.
First Commandment: Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:37-38.
Second Commandment: 1 John 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:7-14; Ephesians 5:5.
Third Commandment: Matthew 5:33-34; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 11:2; 1 Timothy 6:1.
Fourth Commandment: Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14-44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-9.
Fifth Commandment: Matthew 15:3-6; Matthew 19:17-19; Ephesians 6:2-3.
Sixth Commandment: Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.
Seventh Commandment: Matthew 5:27-28; Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:8; Ephesians 5:5; Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.
Eighth Commandment: Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 4:28.
Ninth Commandment: Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:25.
Tenth Commandment: Luke 12:15; Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 5:3-5.
 

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Gen. 2:2, 3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

It looks like it was the day that was sanctified and not the rest period. View attachment 185905
Hebrews 4:1-11
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


You can't do both. You are either given Rest and cease from your work or you continue to look to the law and work at that to try and gain Righteousness before God.

We are told explicitly that it is not by working at the law that makes us righteous. Even though it seems like a contradiction to the natural man.
 

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The holy spirit filled Christian has God's wisdom guiding them into all truth every day of their life.

What fault is there to be found if someone takes the Sabbath day that Christ tells us was made for us and rests from their worldly labors. Work, paying bills, etc... So as to grow in peace and quiet in relationship with creator?

Especially if one arguing against that Sabbath day goes to church themselves on Sunday.
 

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Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.
 

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Hey! Everyone... PTL!
Gal 4:9-11 "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain."
In context these days, months, times, and years are referring to the keeping of the law as seen in Gal 4:21 "Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?"
As I see it:
Since I am a temple of the living God and holy because the Holy Spirit within me is holy, just as the tabernacle in the wilderness was holy or Solomon's temple as are all who are born of the Spirit. Everyday is holy unto the Lord and a good day to worship the Father in Spirit and in truth and a good day to do good.
Maranatha!
 

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The holy spirit filled Christian has God's wisdom guiding them into all truth every day of their life.

What fault is there to be found if someone takes the Sabbath day that Christ tells us was made for us and rests from their worldly labors. Work, paying bills, etc... So as to grow in peace and quiet in relationship with creator?

Especially if one arguing against that Sabbath day goes to church themselves on Sunday.
What fault is there to be found if someone starts sacrificing animals to God again? So as to grow in peace and quiet in relationship with creator?

Especially if one arguing against animal sacrifice eats meat themselves.

What fault is there in building a tent and having shewbread and a menorah inside with a curtain going down to separate the mercy seat? What fault is there in sitting on that mercy seat so as to grow closer to God?

Especially if one arguing is working at the 10 commandments themselves to Love God and Love their neighbor?


Are we saved Christians? Did we go to Christ to receive Rest? I suppose we have to keep in mind what we are resting from.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 

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What fault is there to be found if someone starts sacrificing animals to God again? So as to grow in peace and quiet in relationship with creator?

Especially if one arguing against animal sacrifice eats meat themselves.

What fault is there in building a tent and having shewbread and a menorah inside with a curtain going down to separate the mercy seat? What fault is there in sitting on that mercy seat so as to grow closer to God?

Especially if one arguing is working at the 10 commandments themselves to Love God and Love their neighbor?


Are we saved Christians? Did we go to Christ to receive Rest? I suppose we have to keep in mind what we are resting from.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
That's not an argument worthy of more than this observation.
 

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Hebrews 4:8-11

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You can't do both. You are either given Rest and cease from your work or you continue to look to the law and work at that to try and gain Righteousness before God.
We are told explicitly that it is not by working at the law that makes us righteous. Even though it seems like a contradiction to the natural man.

The last four verses in Hebrews says that there is a future rest we must yet enter. What labors have we ceased from? Verse eleven states we must keep working until that rest is a reality. Nobody here suggested we are made righteous by doing things, we are all under grace. We still do things for God.

What fault is there to be found if someone starts sacrificing animals to God again? So as to grow in peace and quiet in relationship with creator?

Especially if one arguing against animal sacrifice eats meat themselves.

What fault is there in building a tent and having shewbread and a menorah inside with a curtain going down to separate the mercy seat? What fault is there in sitting on that mercy seat so as to grow closer to God?

Especially if one arguing is working at the 10 commandments themselves to Love God and Love their neighbor?


Are we saved Christians? Did we go to Christ to receive Rest? I suppose we have to keep in mind what we are resting from.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Again, you claim we think doing certain things contained in His ordinances to attain salvation. We don't think that, we are saved by grace. :)
 

Dino246

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What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
...Which is now practiced spiritually instead of physically.
If someone goes to church on Sunday they've refuted that argument.
Respectfully, that doesn't follow. Attending a "worship service" (for lack of a better term) is neither resting nor observing Sabbath. I don't see how it refutes the argument that Sabbath is practiced spiritually.
 

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Respectfully, that doesn't follow. Attending a "worship service" (for lack of a better term) is neither resting nor observing Sabbath. I don't see how it refutes the argument that Sabbath is practiced spiritually.
Being indwelt by God's holy spirit we're always in relationship with the most high.
The argument that really doesn't comport with scripture is that which condemns observation of the Sabbath, while the one making that argument knows themselves to be one who goes to church on Sunday. That's observing what is the spirit of the Sabbath on a day the Lord did not identify as the day of rest.

There is that argument that repeatedly argues, we are not under the law. And yet, if that is believed they would then be arguing they don't abide nor respect the ten moral commands, or laws of God, that Jesus did not abolish at all. The law and the prophets , he said, hang on two commandments. Love the Lord your God with all your heart. And love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The ten commandments encompass that very thing. Are we to disavow those? Thou shalt not steal. Murder. Take the Lord's name in vain. Etc...

Up to the Book of Revelation we read that the Sabbath, this well after Jesus returned to the father, was observed and by the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.
How is it argued to be something wrong, that we observe God's Sabbath on the day he designed for us to? We Gentiles, or Christians, are grafted into the olive tree an are nourished by its root. Ezekiel 37 & Romans 11.

And how does someone condemn resting on the Bible's Sabbath day, per those scriptures, and worship God in church on a Sunday? Thinking that much better and more in keeping with God's will?
They can't.