sabbath

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
You say that usernames typically indicate what the person focuses upon. For instance, my focus is on union with Christ, because it is, in essence, a summary of salvation. This statement is not always truth, what is truth is when it comes to a belief, people do exactly what you are saying.

Your statement "Regarding the Sabbath, typically the claim by Sabbathkeepers is that a particular section of time is made holy, and the rest of time is not made holy" is in correct. The sabbath we are to rest and that day that God tell her to rest is to be keep holy, but we are to pursue God holiness everyday of our lives. Just because one keeps the Sabbath does not mean that they should not worship any other day. If they want to go to a congregation on a Sunday or any day of the week they can. God gave a specific day and nowhere in the Scriptures does it say of show that he changed it, if so, where?

About New Year, I am using your argument to show that the question you ask was not an appropriate question.

God created and set time and season. Within our 24 hours, we know what is meant from sundown to sundown, right? Again, he said keep the Sabbath holy, but believers are to be holy every day. Your 48 hours is to support your Sunday, but God specifically said the seventh day, not the 1st and if he did where in the Scripture do you find it?

The Sabbath was enacted in the Ten Commandments, a day that they have forgotten and if they forgotten it that mean it was verbally given to them at one time. Just like the clean and the unclean, Noah new about the clean and unclean animals before it was giving in the levitical laws.

The Sabbath is not about God manifesting his presence more than other days and I will never say that, it is about keeping it holy and nothing to do with manifestation, God will manifest himself whenever he wants.

There are those who are like the Pharisees, following the tradition of men, those are the once the Apostle Paul is referring to.

After you read the above you should conclude that I weight opinions or view fairly, not belittling, not mocking, but respecting.
 
you sir are a breath of fresh air. myself and others have been interacting with these judeaizers and combating their lies, and you, being a former one as you said, are doing a great job and laying out so many facts, they are not really even trying to refute them.
You are making a judgment without reading. Read what I posted then give me your input instead of uplifting a person.
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,749
1,044
113
-------------------
Don't give me opinion, give me scriptures.

By the way, I am Jewish, do you know that I believe, because the way you wrote you probably are assuming that I believe. You view, means nothing to me if you do not know what I believe. As I previously stated, you appear to be writing to impress, but I see you write opinions or views without substantiating it with Scriptures. I you want to discuss this with me via skype we can, but let me make two things clear, no arguments and to talk to me trying to impress, I am not even impress with those who have collars, only dogs wear collars. So, stop writing a book and write according to what is being asked or said.
What kind of a Jew ? A Jew outwardly according to the flesh or one inwardly according to the Spirit of Christ which God named Christian the bride of Christ. Or both as born again person?
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
you sir are a breath of fresh air. myself and others have been interacting with these judeaizers and combating their lies, and you, being a former one as you said, are doing a great job and laying out so many facts, they are not really even trying to refute them.
I noticed that grandpa has given some good responses too...but I don't read all the interaction..only the ones where I am being addressed mostly.
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,749
1,044
113
You say that usernames typically indicate what the person focuses upon. For instance, my focus is on union with Christ, because it is, in essence, a summary of salvation. This statement is not always truth, what is truth is when it comes to a belief, people do exactly what you are saying.

Your statement "Regarding the Sabbath, typically the claim by Sabbathkeepers is that a particular section of time is made holy, and the rest of time is not made holy" is in correct. The sabbath we are to rest and that day that God tell her to rest is to be keep holy, but we are to pursue God holiness everyday of our lives. Just because one keeps the Sabbath does not mean that they should not worship any other day. If they want to go to a congregation on a Sunday or any day of the week they can. God gave a specific day and nowhere in the Scriptures does it say of show that he changed it, if so, where?

About New Year, I am using your argument to show that the question you ask was not an appropriate question.

God created and set time and season. Within our 24 hours, we know what is meant from sundown to sundown, right? Again, he said keep the Sabbath holy, but believers are to be holy every day. Your 48 hours is to support your Sunday, but God specifically said the seventh day, not the 1st and if he did where in the Scripture do you find it?

The Sabbath was enacted in the Ten Commandments, a day that they have forgotten and if they forgotten it that mean it was verbally given to them at one time. Just like the clean and the unclean, Noah new about the clean and unclean animals before it was giving in the levitical laws.

The Sabbath is not about God manifesting his presence more than other days and I will never say that, it is about keeping it holy and nothing to do with manifestation, God will manifest himself whenever he wants.

There are those who are like the Pharisees, following the tradition of men, those are the once the Apostle Paul is referring to.

After you read the above you should conclude that I weight opinions or view fairly, not belittling, not mocking, but respecting.
The sabbath is used as a ceremonial law in the Ten Commandments as shadow of the eternal rest in the new heavens and earth. .Shadow point to the eternal not seen the place of faith.

Yes the Manna or called hidden Manna in the book of Revelation used to represent the Sabbath . It is performed on a day set aside for when a person can perform the good works of preaching the gospel, offering or sharing the manna (dual function) as literal bread nourishing these bodies of death and in a hope the spiritual understanding is given by our father in heaven not seen. . . as that which nourishes our soul.. Not a work performed during the other 6 days as different kind of labor, or work of faith.

Mathew 28 reveals a new era of sabbaths beginning on the first day of the week. The day he said; "let there be light" to signify all the work is done the veil is rent opening the grave of the ten of thousands old testament saint the glorious day of the week

. But any day a person is free from the obligation of feeding the flesh is a sabbath day . The word Sabbath simply means rest.. . a non time sensitive word. Not a moral law but a spiritual opportunity.

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
 
Am I a believer? Well I believe the the Lord Yeshua and as many as believe to them gave he power to be the sons of God. I believe that we are to take up the cross and follow Yeshua, I believe that to know Yeshua is to know the Father, I believe that we are save by grace alone through faith and justified and made God's righteousness in Yeshua apart from the law, for the law cannot justify an man before God, neither can it make a man God's righteousness. I believe that we are to be holy as he is holy, pursuing his holiness, I believe that it is about having a relationship with God in Yeshua. Is this what you believe and if yes, then why are saying that you do not believe that I am a believer? You statement, you are not a believer, therefore you can't reason from a Christian perspective is preposterous, does not make sense.

Who said anything about the temple? We are the temple of God, the Spirit of God dwells in us? The temple that they are making in Israel I believe that will be the abomination of desolation. The Ten Commandment has nothing to do with salvation as previously stated, as for the levitical law, I believe that Yeshua fulfilled the sacrifice of animal once and for all. That does not remove the covenants that God made with his peoples. Not to mention, we have a High Priest, but not after the order of Aaron, but Melchizakek, not to mention, Yeshua could not be a High Priest after the order of the Levi, he was from the tribe of Judah and only Levi had the privilege to be high priests.

About collar, I did not add the ending of my quote, only dogs wear collars, but I am just being humorous.

What a question, "are you a Jew that wears pony tails? If so, I don't talk to men wearing pony tails about theology." The question to you, did Yeshua talk to Pharisees? Which is worst talking to a person with a pony tails or to talk to a Pharisee? To answer you question, I am clean cut, I have a short trim bear, I do not wear a kipper, I removed the middle page of the bible because the 66 books is the word of God, what God concealed he revealed. What you need to do, what does not pertain to you remove it from the Scriptures and at the end you will be left with about 20 pages.

Maybe, I should be you my website free PDF files, you will see what I believe. One more thing, I do not walk around, neither tell people that you need to keep the Sabbath, the Scriptures does tell us that if we walk after the Spirit the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled. You need to stop assuming and find out what people believe before answering them what you think they believe.
 
The sabbath is used as a ceremonial law in the Ten Commandments as shadow of the eternal rest in the new heavens and earth. .Shadow point to the eternal not seen the place of faith.

Yes the Manna or called hidden Manna in the book of Revelation used to represent the Sabbath . It is performed on a day set aside for when a person can perform the good works of preaching the gospel, offering or sharing the manna (dual function) as literal bread nourishing these bodies of death and in a hope the spiritual understanding is given by our father in heaven not seen. . . as that which nourishes our soul.. Not a work performed during the other 6 days as different kind of labor, or work of faith.

Mathew 28 reveals a new era of sabbaths beginning on the first day of the week. The day he said; "let there be light" to signify all the work is done the veil is rent opening the grave of the ten of thousands old testament saint the glorious day of the week

. But any day a person is free from the obligation of feeding the flesh is a sabbath day . The word Sabbath simply means rest.. . a non time sensitive word. Not a moral law but a spiritual opportunity.

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
Matthew 28 is not removing the Sabbath and continue to read translations and you will start believing distorted view of those who wants nothing to do with the Sabbath. Why don't you go to the original language and you will see how clear God was when he first spoke. Most of what you stated is based on your opinion and view, you cannot substantiate it through the Scriptures, so you need to give me Scripture.
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,749
1,044
113
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did any jots or tittles pass from the law? Are Jews still sacrificing animals for forgiveness of sins (atonement)?

If not, then that would definitely be some jots and tittles.


If you don't believe what the Lord Jesus has said then you are closing your eyes and your ears to the SOLUTION of the problem of mens sin.


I remember when my son was 2yrs old I would ask him if he wanted help with things. He would say "No, me do it". And then continue to struggle.

Seems to be the same situation that our Father in Heaven is in. He says "Let me help". Too many people are still saying "No, me do it".
The ceremonial laws did die when Jesus said it is finished ,The time of reformation has come, the veil was rent. Rendering that which was standing useless from the beginning a mere shadow .

It would seem the jots and tittles represent the letter of the law. It will continue to expose men as sinners till the last day .Then it as death will be tossed in the fiery judgment of God called a lake . Never to rise and corrupt a whole creation ever again
 
The ceremonial laws did die when Jesus said it is finished ,The time of reformation has come, the veil was rent. Rendering that which was standing useless from the beginning a mere shadow .

It would seem the jots and tittles represent the letter of the law. It will continue to expose men as sinners till the last day .Then it as death will be tossed in the fiery judgment of God called a lake . Never to rise and corrupt a whole creation ever again
It is clear from the Scriptures that jots and tittles WILL NOT be removed till all is fulfill, doesn't it say that? Yeshua is fulfilled and will continue to fulfill. He fulfilled the atonement once an for all as I previously stated. Maybe you should read my past post before asking questions.

I will probably me on this site once a week, I cannot allow myself to indulge in this site. If you want to look be up, contact me at gottoreatit @ gmail.com. I don't know if I can give you my email on this site.

Take care.
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,749
1,044
113
Matthew 28 is not removing the Sabbath and continue to read translations and you will start believing distorted view of those who wants nothing to do with the Sabbath. Why don't you go to the original language and you will see how clear God was when he first spoke. Most of what you stated is based on your opinion and view, you cannot substantiate it through the Scriptures, so you need to give me Scripture.

Why would a person not want the daily, hourly, rest (sabbath). The opportunity to do the good work and preach the gospel was changed to another day. the first day. But it can be offered any day. Trying to make the word rest (Sabbath) into the work week which the Greek did not have a word for only shows someone's bias. The Young's defines it as is it written "Sabbaths". not week. . no Greek for week. The only time the translators did translate more than day. Otherwise other that one day , as days, multiple were used .

Two days, three days, seven days, forty days Not seven weeks, five days. Days were used to descript time period . Old testament weeks is a common use.
 
I just activated this site yesterday and will delete the account, I will not allow a site to govern my life. If you want to keep in touch you could look me up via skype on my name, of email me at gottoreadit at gmail.com I will delete my account today.
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
-------------------
Don't give me opinion, give me scriptures.

By the way, I am Jewish, do you know that I believe, because the way you wrote you probably are assuming that I believe. You view, means nothing to me if you do not know what I believe. As I previously stated, you appear to be writing to impress, but I see you write opinions or views without substantiating it with Scriptures. I you want to discuss this with me via skype we can, but let me make two things clear, no arguments and to talk to me trying to impress, I am not even impress with those who have collars, only dogs wear collars. So, stop writing a book and write according to what is being asked or said.
By the way, there are plenty of other creatures who wear collars, including cats. Cats can't be led like dogs, though..and helping some people is much like herding cats.

So, if you answer these questions, it would help me in analyzing your belief system:

1. Are you a non-Christian Jew, or a Messianic Jew?
2. Do you believe the entire Mosaic Law is still in effect?
3. Do you believe that only the Ten Commandments are in effect?
4. Do you believe that there is one unified law, which includes all the commandments?
5. If you believe that the entire Mosaic Law is not in effect, what principles do you use to decide which commandments are not?

Here's my position:

The Mosaic Law is not in effect anymore (see previously mentioned Scriptures). However, it contained principles that were moral in nature, and reflected God's nature as expressed through the image of God in man. The purpose of the Law, amongst other things, is to display to self-righteous man that he is no longer reflecting the image of God as he was created for. It also reveals to the self-righteous man that he is deceiving himself if he thinks he reflects the undistorted image of God.

This serves to convict the honest man that he is sinful, and condemns him, causing him to be aware that he deserves eternal death. It serves a "ministry of condemnation". Unfortunately some dishonest, blinded Judaizers will claim that they meet God's standards, so the law does not serve this "ministry of condemnation" for them because they won't be corrected by it.

Some aspects of the Law are not moral but are ceremonial and point toward objects of fulfillment. They are called "types" and "shadows". The Sabbath was a shadow that pointed to the true spiritual rest, which is found in Jesus. These "types" and "shadows" are no longer required observances, but they serve a purpose in pointing toward Jesus.

Days and diets were typological and were fulfilled, in some way, through Jesus and his ministry. If you are a Jew, you know some of the typology as it relates to Israel's liberation from the slavery of Egypt. However, this slavery to Egypt is, in itself, typological of the believers' bondage to sin, and his liberation through Jesus from this sin.

Moreover, some of the law is moral in nature, and shows us the image of God as expressed through man. After a believer is "born again", which we call regeneration, he is given a new spirit that wants to love and obey God. These commandments can provide some direction in this regard.

Now, some believers will disagree with me on the subject of days and diet. I have no big problem with that, but I do have a big problem with those who claim that calendar and dietary observances are requirements of the believer.

Jesus himself was the perfect image of God, by the way, and to examine his life is much like examining one's life in light of the moral requirements of the Law. He shows us what perfect love is.

Salvation is largely about returning to Eden. Man fell in the Garden, and no longer reflects the image or glory of God. The Law shows him that he no longer reflects his intended purpose. This convicts him of his sinfulness before God, and should lead to faith and repentance. This man has been given a heart of flesh, which is sensitive to God and his requirements, to replace the heart of flesh. He is joined, or united, with Jesus through the mediation of the Holy Spirit, and begins to produce spiritual fruit, including meaningful obedience and love for God and others.

In one sense, he has been returned to Eden through this chain events, but at Jesus' return, the entire creation will be similar to the Garden of Eden in that mankind will dwell in God's presence at that point, enjoying God and other brothers and sisters who have been joined to him.

Pretty simple to me :)
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
I just activated this site yesterday and will delete the account, I will not allow a site to govern my life. If you want to keep in touch you could look me up via skype on my name, of email me at gottoreadit at gmail.com I will delete my account today.
I'd be glad to talk to you if you want to hear about the gospel. Then, you can be a real, fulfilled Jew :)
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
Am I a believer? Well I believe the the Lord Yeshua and as many as believe to them gave he power to be the sons of God. I believe that we are to take up the cross and follow Yeshua, I believe that to know Yeshua is to know the Father, I believe that we are save by grace alone through faith and justified and made God's righteousness in Yeshua apart from the law, for the law cannot justify an man before God, neither can it make a man God's righteousness. I believe that we are to be holy as he is holy, pursuing his holiness, I believe that it is about having a relationship with God in Yeshua. Is this what you believe and if yes, then why are saying that you do not believe that I am a believer? You statement, you are not a believer, therefore you can't reason from a Christian perspective is preposterous, does not make sense.

Who said anything about the temple? We are the temple of God, the Spirit of God dwells in us? The temple that they are making in Israel I believe that will be the abomination of desolation. The Ten Commandment has nothing to do with salvation as previously stated, as for the levitical law, I believe that Yeshua fulfilled the sacrifice of animal once and for all. That does not remove the covenants that God made with his peoples. Not to mention, we have a High Priest, but not after the order of Aaron, but Melchizakek, not to mention, Yeshua could not be a High Priest after the order of the Levi, he was from the tribe of Judah and only Levi had the privilege to be high priests.

About collar, I did not add the ending of my quote, only dogs wear collars, but I am just being humorous.

What a question, "are you a Jew that wears pony tails? If so, I don't talk to men wearing pony tails about theology." The question to you, did Yeshua talk to Pharisees? Which is worst talking to a person with a pony tails or to talk to a Pharisee? To answer you question, I am clean cut, I have a short trim bear, I do not wear a kipper, I removed the middle page of the bible because the 66 books is the word of God, what God concealed he revealed. What you need to do, what does not pertain to you remove it from the Scriptures and at the end you will be left with about 20 pages.

Maybe, I should be you my website free PDF files, you will see what I believe. One more thing, I do not walk around, neither tell people that you need to keep the Sabbath, the Scriptures does tell us that if we walk after the Spirit the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled. You need to stop assuming and find out what people believe before answering them what you think they believe.
I think in your attempt to distance yourself from Christians, you worded your responses in a manner that suggested you are a Jew, and not a Christian. Your wording was very confusing.
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
The sabbath is used as a ceremonial law in the Ten Commandments as shadow of the eternal rest in the new heavens and earth. .Shadow point to the eternal not seen the place of faith.

Yes the Manna or called hidden Manna in the book of Revelation used to represent the Sabbath . It is performed on a day set aside for when a person can perform the good works of preaching the gospel, offering or sharing the manna (dual function) as literal bread nourishing these bodies of death and in a hope the spiritual understanding is given by our father in heaven not seen. . . as that which nourishes our soul.. Not a work performed during the other 6 days as different kind of labor, or work of faith.

Mathew 28 reveals a new era of sabbaths beginning on the first day of the week. The day he said; "let there be light" to signify all the work is done the veil is rent opening the grave of the ten of thousands old testament saint the glorious day of the week

. But any day a person is free from the obligation of feeding the flesh is a sabbath day . The word Sabbath simply means rest.. . a non time sensitive word. Not a moral law but a spiritual opportunity.

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
The word "sabbaton" can be translated either "Sabbath" or "week".

A week was organized around the Sabbath in the Jewish mind, therefore the word "sabbaton" can be used to signify either. Context must be considered.

"first of Sabbath" indicates the first day of the week, or Sunday.

"second of Sabbath" is not used in Scripture, as far as I know, but if it did, it would mean Monday.

"third of Sabbath" would indicate Tuesday, etcetera.

Jesus was risen on Sunday, which is why the Church observes Sunday. They observe the Lord's Day, which is Sunday.

As I have suggested, Sunday is emblematic of the "new creation". Jesus' resurrection body is the firstfruit of the new creation. The previous week, ending in Jesus' death rest, marks the old creation, and we have now entered into the new creation, as believers.

My perspective is that those who observe Saturday are making a statement that they are still under the old Mosaic economy and not under the new economy of Christ. They may not realize that, but they are still attached to the old economy.

I find it significant that Jesus met with his disciples twice on Sunday after his resurrection, and these are the only days where the day of the week is recorded. The phrase "after eight days" is inclusive.
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
I just activated this site yesterday and will delete the account, I will not allow a site to govern my life. If you want to keep in touch you could look me up via skype on my name, of email me at gottoreadit at gmail.com I will delete my account today.
Sorry to hear that you are leaving the site. I wish I'd gotten some more answers to my questions. I think your responses led to a misunderstanding.
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,749
1,044
113
It is clear from the Scriptures that jots and tittles WILL NOT be removed till all is fulfill, doesn't it say that? Yeshua is fulfilled and will continue to fulfill. He fulfilled the atonement once an for all as I previously stated. Maybe you should read my past post before asking questions.

I will probably me on this site once a week, I cannot allow myself to indulge in this site. If you want to look be up, contact me at gottoreatit @ gmail.com. I don't know if I can give you my email on this site.

Take care.
Yes, it does say that in respect to the moral laws. But not shadows as ceremonial laws. God does not give moral laws as parables.

look to the two different reasoning in both accounts. That ceremonial law is used as a parable comparing the rest to the 7 th day and the glorious moving them out of Egypt out of bondage on the first day .let there be light.

Exodus20: 11 for six days hath Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that [is] in them, and resteth in the seventh day; therefore hath Jehovah blessed the Sabbath-day, and doth sanctify it.

Deuteronomy 5: 15 and thou hast remembered that a servant thou hast been in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah thy God is bringing thee out thence by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm; therefore hath Jehovah thy God commanded thee to keep the day of the sabbath.

The Sabbath as ceremonial are temporal .Unlike like the moral laws that pertain to today as long as it is or under the Sun this creation .. This is any time (timeless) if we hear the voice of God and do not harden our heart in unbelief (no faith) we have entered His rest from our own work by mixing faith the unseen in what we do hear.

Hebrews 4:1-7 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)We may fear, then, lest a promise being left of entering into His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short, for we also are having good news proclaimed, even as they, but the word heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard, for we do enter into the rest -- we who did believe, as He said, `So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- ;' and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh [day] thus: `And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;'and in this [place] again, `If they shall enter into My rest -- ;'since then, it remaineth for certain to enter into it, and those who did first hear good news entered not in because of unbelief -- again He doth limit a certain day, `To-day,' (in David saying, after so long a time,) as it hath been said, `To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts,'

The key. Study as to what being mixed with faith in those who heard means.,
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,749
1,044
113
The word "sabbaton" can be translated either "Sabbath" or "week".

A week was organized around the Sabbath in the Jewish mind, therefore the word "sabbaton" can be used to signify either. Context must be considered.

"first of Sabbath" indicates the first day of the week, or Sunday.

"second of Sabbath" is not used in Scripture, as far as I know, but if it did, it would mean Monday.

"third of Sabbath" would indicate Tuesday, etcetera.

Jesus was risen on Sunday, which is why the Church observes Sunday. They observe the Lord's Day, which is Sunday.

As I have suggested, Sunday is emblematic of the "new creation". Jesus' resurrection body is the firstfruit of the new creation. The previous week, ending in Jesus' death rest, marks the old creation, and we have now entered into the new creation, as believers.

My perspective is that those who observe Saturday are making a statement that they are still under the old Mosaic economy and not under the new economy of Christ. They may not realize that, but they are still attached to the old economy.

I find it significant that Jesus met with his disciples twice on Sunday after his resurrection, and these are the only days where the day of the week is recorded. The phrase "after eight days" is inclusive.
Word definition must be considered. Not when it is used.

The word sabbath is not a time sensitive word. The Greek did not have a word for week .Its not what it was organized around but a rest the one meaning of the word.

And "first of Sabbath" indicates the first of Sabbaths as the new era. Not first of the weeks .Again there is not Greek word for week at that time period.

The same applies with fasting twice of the Sabbath. It is not twice in the week .(false pride) The word is Sabbath. . not week.

Three meals were kosher then


Acts 20:6 and we sailed, after the days of the unleavened food, from Philippi, and came unto them to Troas in five days, where we abode seven days.
(Not week)


Acts 21:4And having found out the disciples, we tarried there seven days,(Not week and they said to Paul, through the Spirit, not to go up to Jerusalem;


Acts 21:27And, as the seven days (Not weekwere about to be fully ended, the Jews from Asia having beheld him in the temple, were stirring up all the multitude, and they laid hands upon him,


Acts 28:14where, having found brethren, we were called upon to remain with them seven days,(Not week and thus to Rome we came;


Hebrews 11:30 by faith the walls of Jericho did fall, having been surrounded for seven days;(Not week
 
Aug 12, 2019
1,689
873
113
Word definition must be considered. Not when it is used.

The word sabbath is not a time sensitive word. The Greek did not have a word for week .Its not what it was organized around but a rest the one meaning of the word.

And "first of Sabbath" indicates the first of Sabbaths as the new era. Not first of the weeks .Again there is not Greek word for week at that time period.

The same applies with fasting twice of the Sabbath. It is not twice in the week .(false pride) The word is Sabbath. . not week.

Three meals were kosher then


Acts 20:6 and we sailed, after the days of the unleavened food, from Philippi, and came unto them to Troas in five days, where we abode seven days. (Not week)


Acts 21:4And having found out the disciples, we tarried there seven days,(Not week and they said to Paul, through the Spirit, not to go up to Jerusalem;


Acts 21:27And, as the seven days (Not weekwere about to be fully ended, the Jews from Asia having beheld him in the temple, were stirring up all the multitude, and they laid hands upon him,


Acts 28:14where, having found brethren, we were called upon to remain with them seven days,(Not week and thus to Rome we came;


Hebrews 11:30 by faith the walls of Jericho did fall, having been surrounded for seven days;(Not week
I'm not going to debate the point.

I encourage others to look up the phrase "mia ton Sabbaton" on google. It is a Greek idiom for Sunday.

I don't think other days of the week are mentioned, but if they were, then they would likely follow the same pattern..."second of Sabbath", "third of Sabbath", etc.

In essence, it is the first day of the week, with respect to the Sabbath. "Sabbaton" could actually mean the Sabbath, or it could be week.

Bill Mounce is one of the best Greek scholars and he would agree with my position that "first of week" is a reference to Sunday:

https://www.billmounce.com/monday-with-mounce/can-you-have-“twice-sabbath”-luke-18-12

I would suggest consulting BDAG in regards to this issue. I don't have a copy of it, but it is the standard lexicon amongst real scholars.