Salvation is a Free Gift.

[FollowerofShiloh]

Red X proves you are no Disciple of Christ because a Disciple of Christ fulfills Christ's Commandments.

 

[Foghorn]

Because you think God has picked people out for salvation and forces them to repent and be children of God, does this mean you DISOBEY our only one Commission to make Disciples by preaching the Gospel and Baptizing them?

Wow, you keep telling him what he believes. When will you actually listen to what he actually says?

 

[brightfame52]

I am moved with the amount of confusion these days about the nature of our salvation. The answer to this question can be different depending on the denomination you attend, but I believe the Bible is clear if interpreted correctly. Salvation is a free gift, that is received through repentance and faith, and it was completely paid for by what Jesus Christ did for us on the cross. All we are required to do is accept it by faith.

Actually Salvation is a free gift that bestows both repentance and Faith, all completely paid for and applied to the Heirs ! Jesus as Saviour bestows/gives Repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

A spiritually dead person can Hear the Gospel and choose to believe or shut their ears like we see both cases in Acts.

That means once the Gospel is preached the ears are opened and you can choose to believe or reject.

That is 100% Bible Fact.

A spiritually dead person can hear the Gospel but he cant hear it with Spiritual discernment and understanding 2 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Wow, you keep telling him what he believes. When will you actually listen to what he actually says?

He admitted to another poster what he believes.
Too bad you either refuse to read it or acknowledge but I won't be.

 

[rogerg]

A spiritually dead person can hear the Gospel but he cant hear it with Spiritual discernment and understanding 2 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hey brightfame52 - haven't heard from you in a while - glad you're following this thread now.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

A spiritually dead person can hear the Gospel but he cant hear it with Spiritual discernment and understanding 2 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Your verse has nothing to do with "hearing."

Because Hearing leads to...
44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.

So they will be awakened as they HEAR.

 

[rogerg]

Wow, you keep telling him what he believes. When will you actually listen to what he actually says?

Trust me, Foghorn, it's better not to engage with these people in a debate. It always turns into a never-ending exercise and
they can't hear/discern what we're saying anyway.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Red X proves you are no Disciple of Christ because a Disciple of Christ fulfills Christ's Commandments.

I pray this doesn’t offend you in Jesus name it’s meant just to consider , I consider you a sister in Christ ( I’m guessing gender based on what others have said apologies if incorrect )

in love

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God bless

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I pray this doesn’t offend you in Jesus name it’s meant just to consider , I consider you a sister in Christ ( I’m guessing gender based on what others have said apologies if incorrect )

in love

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God bless

The Gift of Discernment is 24/7 judgement of all things felt, said, read, heard, seen.

And I also explained he already posted that God forced him to be a believer.

If one believes God forces people to believe then why would someone need to fulfill Matthew 28:19?

I am the lead Pastor with multiple associate Pastors under me. I spend most time Evangelizing and teaching the Tanakh to Protestant churches across the USA. I doubt a woman would be accepted to fulfill that role. And no offense has been taken, Brother

 

[Magenta]

A spiritually dead person can hear the Gospel but he cant hear it with Spiritual discernment and understanding 2 Cor 2:14

John 5:24-25

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

John 5:24-25

Amen!
25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

 

[Foghorn]

Trust me, Foghorn, it's better not to engage with these people in a debate. It always turns into a never-ending exercise and
they can't hear/discern what we're saying anyway.

Yes, thanks for the reminder. You're absolutely right.

 

[CS1]

Trust me, Foghorn, it's better not to engage with these people in a debate. It always turns into a never-ending exercise and
they can't hear/discern what we're saying anyway.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Gift of Discernment is 24/7 judgement of all things felt, said, read, heard, seen.

And I also explained he already posted that God forced him to be a believer.

If one believes God forces people to believe then why would someone need to fulfill Matthew 28:19?

I am the lead Pastor with multiple associate Pastors under me. I spend most time Evangelizing and teaching the Tanakh to Protestant churches across the USA. I doubt a woman would be accepted to fulfill that role. And no offense has been taken, Brother

I’m so glad you weren’t offended I truly meant none .

the reason I had said that to you was because you were telling someone else “ a true Christian keeps the commands of Christ “

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Trust me, Foghorn, it's better not to engage with these people in a debate. It always turns into a never-ending exercise and
they can't hear/discern what we're saying anyway.

Just pointing out the FACTS here.
The creator of thread made his thread and post and it was approved.
YOU, were the first post which opposed that original viewpoint.

So YOU, are the one who caused this.

And if YOU did not desire such interaction, why did YOU make the first post?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I’m so glad you weren’t offended I truly meant none .

the reason I had said that to you was because you were telling someone else “ a true Christian keeps the commands of Christ “

Do you believe a true Christian is Christ Like in keeping the Commandments of Christ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you believe a true Christian is Christ Like in keeping the Commandments of Christ?

I believe some Christian’s are babes and drink milk and others are mature and eat meat but God loves and adores and certainly claims the babes as well .

I didn’t want to begin a thing I just wanted to plant a seed from his judgements in your mind and have no more really to say but also can’t seem to message you privately or would have done that .

just wanted to remind you is all of something you already know and apologize for any offense or embarrassment or anything

 

[rogerg]

Just pointing out the FACTS here.
The creator of thread made his thread and post and it was approved.
YOU, were the first post which opposed that original viewpoint.

So YOU, are the one who caused this.

And if YOU did not desire such interaction, why did YOU make the first post?

I guess I'm always surprised when I encounter Glenn Close of Fatal Attraction posting on a thread. I guess
by now I shouldn't be.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I believe some Christian’s are babes and drink milk and others are mature and eat meat but God loves and adores and certainly claims the babes as well .

I didn’t want to begin a thing I just wanted to plant a seed from his judgements in your mind and have no more really to say but also can’t seem to message you privately or would have done that .

just wanted to remind you is all of something you already know and apologize for any offense or embarrassment or anything

I don't see anything you did that would be an embarrassment on me knowing I have the ability to explain my actions and let my own words be the judge.

Possibly you had no idea who I was speaking to.

I assure you that he is in everyone of these threads and looking at his posting history that goes many years before I ever joined, he has always been in these types of threads promoting the same tangent. So it's impossible he is Babe to his personal doctrine. And I treated him accordingly so.