salvation of gentiles in the OT
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Except the text in Romans 1 isn't teaching any of that which I made bold.
Why people continue to go there when it is absolutely not in the text is beyond me. What has been revealed to men is there is a God and we are under wrath outside of Christ and that judgment upon society is just due and the only means of salvation is via Christ through the Gospel.
Sorry, there isn't any Scriptural backing, let alone any other Scriptural backing to your presumption. There is no salvation via Romans 1 as is being suggested. That is purely mystical and wishful thinking.
The intent of Romans 1 isn't that people mystically get saved, are given "more light" if they "receive light", as many make this out to be from the text. (Not saying MarcR is doing that exactly, but his answer to muzungu's question if anyone in Asia were saved or in OT was to provide Romans 1 as if that says "yes, they can be saved in this fashion" because Giod revealed Himself to all that truly seek Him.)
Read the actual text provided! There is nothing there, not one thing to uphold this mysticism, nothing but condemnation.
The intent of Romans 1 is that man is lost and without excuse. Paul goes on in Romans to further this truth that salvation is only through the Gospel and Christ alone, not through a misapplication and misappropriation of Romans 1 as if it is teaching mystical salvation through revelation in nature &c. If we want to go there it is nothing but Eastern Mysticism mingled with the Gospel.
Paul's intentions in the first several chapters of Romans is to show that the world is lost and under God's condemnation, the answer to this in the following chapters is there is salvation only via Christ and the Gospel, not mysticism, light via natural revelation and Romans 1.
It's Christ and it's via the Gospel and no other means.
Except the text in Romans 1 isn't teaching any of that which I made bold.
Why people continue to go there when it is absolutely not in the text is beyond me. What has been revealed to men is there is a God and we are under wrath outside of Christ and that judgment upon society is just due and the only means of salvation is via Christ through the Gospel.
Sorry, there isn't any Scriptural backing, let alone any other Scriptural backing to your presumption. There is no salvation via Romans 1 as is being suggested. That is purely mystical and wishful thinking.
The intent of Romans 1 isn't that people mystically get saved, are given "more light" if they "receive light", as many make this out to be from the text. (Not saying MarcR is doing that exactly, but his answer to muzungu's question if anyone in Asia were saved or in OT was to provide Romans 1 as if that says "yes, they can be saved in this fashion" because Giod revealed Himself to all that truly seek Him.)
Read the actual text provided! There is nothing there, not one thing to uphold this mysticism, nothing but condemnation.
The intent of Romans 1 is that man is lost and without excuse. Paul goes on in Romans to further this truth that salvation is only through the Gospel and Christ alone, not through a misapplication and misappropriation of Romans 1 as if it is teaching mystical salvation through revelation in nature &c. If we want to go there it is nothing but Eastern Mysticism mingled with the Gospel.
Paul's intentions in the first several chapters of Romans is to show that the world is lost and under God's condemnation, the answer to this in the following chapters is there is salvation only via Christ and the Gospel, not mysticism, light via natural revelation and Romans 1.
It's Christ and it's via the Gospel and no other means.
Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.[Romans 3:1,2]
The Jews were the only ones in OT that had the word(oracles) of God. The other nations did not. Other nations were enemies of the Jews. In the word(oracles) of God, it told them what they had to do, what animals to bring to the sacrifice, what foods to eat and not eat, how to treat others, &c. The other nations had no sacrificial system that atoned for their sins. The OT sacrificial system only stayed their sins for a year and then another sacrifice was needed. The other nations did not have this to atone for their sins.
So, those who died outside of Israel in OT days, died lost. Those who became proselyte Jews were saved, yet, there was only so far they could go into the court. When the Christ died, the veil of the temple tore from top to bottom, so that now all who believe have access into the holiest of holies, and this is the Christ.
The Jews were the only ones in OT that had the word(oracles) of God. The other nations did not. Other nations were enemies of the Jews. In the word(oracles) of God, it told them what they had to do, what animals to bring to the sacrifice, what foods to eat and not eat, how to treat others, &c. The other nations had no sacrificial system that atoned for their sins. The OT sacrificial system only stayed their sins for a year and then another sacrifice was needed. The other nations did not have this to atone for their sins.
So, those who died outside of Israel in OT days, died lost. Those who became proselyte Jews were saved, yet, there was only so far they could go into the court. When the Christ died, the veil of the temple tore from top to bottom, so that now all who believe have access into the holiest of holies, and this is the Christ.