SALVATION

[Hoffco]

Quickfire , you need to read and read a passage and try to get what God is saying. You are just parroting what pastors have said to you. When some one says to you "that sounds like two persons" a Father and a Son. You need to read again, because you are not willing to let God speak to you. Only a blinded ,satan influenced person will deny the three persons of the Godhead. the mystery of the Godhead is clear, but their are misleading passages, or confusing passages, that could lead one to the "oneness" doct. , if not taken in light of the whole truth of God It is confusing how Jesus is man, but also fully God in the flesh. We must takes months to study this before we try to teach others. More later, Love to all Hoffco

 

[WeStand]

The Father/Love & The Holy Spirit/Wisdom and their First Begotten Child of Conscious Awareness; known FIRST in this flesh realm as Mechezidek, THEN Messiah/Christ while here in this flesh himself; Left as Christ/Messiah, The Annointed ONE of YAH, The Son in whom YAH IS well pleased.

(I don't even know why people harp on the name Jesus? ; as Jesus really doesn't mean that much; unless one takes it to the root of Joshua)

To Return as Melchezidek; The Prince of Peace & The King of the JUSTIFIED Kills; THE Angel/Messenger of THE LORD (NOT Lord) to SEPARATE The Godly from the un-Godly.for His Day /Millenium of Reckoning & Teaching in the Spirit. The FIRST Judgement: NOT the split moment Great White Throne Judgement of OUR Father and HIS Lake of Fire.(REV: CH:20, end of verse 9.)

Just like he, Christ/Melchezidek, did in the beginning with Abraham; as he, Melchezidek, went forth with Abraham, to the slaughter of the kings, to retrieve his nephew Lot and divide the spoil, Abraham receiving 90% of that spoil, and to continue the already ongoing tradition of separating the Godly from the un-Godly.

And Most IMPORTANTLY! initiating the beginning of The Covenant/Contract made in LOVE, by Our Father, YAH, that did not go anywhere far, geographically speaking, until the time of Joshua. (that's a lot of years!) and it took the next 400 years alone, to complete the Testimony, without the Law.

That's the same Covenant/Contract that Christ/Messiah both Confirmed and Confirmed.

The Testimony of Life & Death by Our Father; To The WHOLE WORLD! and HIS 10 Commandments/DEMANDS! in following HIS ways. Love HIM! and LOVE your neighbour as yourself, IF POSSIBLE.

Most ALL of the OT referring to the LORD, with some things about the Lord. Lots about, The Angel/Messenger of the LORD.

Most ALL of the NT referring to the Lord, with some things about the LORD.

To put the NT ahead of the OT, is like hooking a trailer to your front bumper lol.

Hear what The Father has to state about Christ/Messiah/Melchezidek/, for since the beginning of man in this flesh, people are ALWAYS saved by hearing the True Word's of GOD ALMIGHTY.

Is Christ/Messiah God? YES! YES! YES!, but who is God? GOD IS NOT an entity: GOD IS the mission, Get Over Death/Satan.

And YES! YES! YES! Christ/Messiah IS the ONE & ONLY way to Get Over Death/Satan, but should also know that Death IS NOT an experience; Death IS an entity; once known as Lucifer/Bright Morning Star; Now judged and sentenced to Perish for eternity; just awaiting for ALL us children to sift through the evidence; then execution, at the end of the Lord's Day.

Christ/Messiah the Father? NO WAY! yet respectfully, Fully & Completely representative of OUR Father, in WORD, WILL and Spirit.

Christ/Messiah God? YAY!

Our Father Love God? Nay; But GOD ALMIGHTY! YAY!

Or if none of this helps, you can always try HIS Wisdom, lol.

Proverbs 8: The Mother speaking for herself.

ROCK ON​

 

[Quickfire]

Quickfire , you need to read and read a passage and try to get what God is saying. You are just parroting what pastors have said to you. When some one says to you "that sounds like two persons" a Father and a Son. You need to read again, because you are not willing to let God speak to you. Only a blinded ,satan influenced person will deny the three persons of the Godhead. the mystery of the Godhead is clear, but their are misleading passages, or confusing passages, that could lead one to the "oneness" doct. , if not taken in light of the whole truth of God It is confusing how Jesus is man, but also fully God in the flesh. We must takes months to study this before we try to teach others. More later, Love to all Hoffco

ok well teach when , but dont call me a blinded satan influenced person, because to call someone this will make a student become hateful towards his teacher,

could you just imagine a vicar in a church calling his students blinded satan influenced people, the church would probably not survive , or worse still some poor sole believes that he is and takes it personaly and it messes with his head,
thats not a nice place to be ,
so if you want to spend the next 2 months learning i is up for it.

 

[Quickfire]

[h=3]1 Timothy 6[/h]


6 Those who are slaves consider their masters worthy of all respect, so that no one will speak evil of the name of God and of our teaching. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Slaves belonging to Christian masters must not despise them, for they are believers too. Instead, they are to serve them even better, because those who benefit from their work are believers whom they love.

[h=3]False Teaching and True Riches[/h]You must teach and preach these things. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Whoever teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the true words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching of our religion [SUP]4 [/SUP]is swollen with pride and knows nothing. He has an unhealthy desire to argue and quarrel about words, and this brings on jealousy, disputes, insults, evil suspicions, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and constant arguments from people whose minds do not function and who no longer have the truth. They think that religion is a way to become rich

 

[Quickfire]

john 3:31-36 He who comes from above is greater than all. He who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks about earthly matters, but he who comes from heaven is above all. He tells what he has seen and herd, yet no one excepts his message, But who ever accepts his message confirms by this that God is truthful. The one whom god has sent speaks Gods words, because God gives him the fullness of the spirit. The farther loves his son and has put everything in his power. Whoever believes in the son has eternal life, whoever disobeys the son will not have life but will remain under gods punishment.

This last part is so important The farther loves his son and has put everything in his power. Whoever believes in the son has eternal life, whoever disobeys the son will not have life but will remain under gods punishment.

OK for me as a believer believe that most people of different denoms believe this, christian believe the son and the farther are one, other believe differently and have no problem believing the context of this message, This is a foundation and a corner stone, ok some denoms believe he was a prophet or the son of god and some do see him as lord, but they still believe that jesus is the way. in the context of john 3:36 The farther loves his son and has put everything in his power. Whoever believes in the son has eternal life, whoever disobeys the son will not have life but will remain under gods punishment.

My question is now if they believe this context and follow Jesuses word but still have not yet come to understand the trinity are they still doomed, do we have the right to suggest that they are because they are believing he is the son but not the farther, my point is should we condem them for not believing this or should we work on what they believe in the bible and work on that rather than work on the things that they have not yet come to understand. Like i never here the question to unbelievers who dont understand this, I never here a question like ok you dont believe Jesus is God but do you believe that Jesus is the way. I never here that i just here things like well ok spend the rest of your life in hell.

I know that just quoting verses from the bible is ok and showing them the truth but when i just here a quote your going to hell and no follow up ie end of convo from the accuser this concerns me. this is where i feal both the unbelievers salvation is at risk. in other words a person says he doesnt believe and a believer only thinks one thing no follow up to save

 

[Timeofknowing]

I was saved and I did not fully believe! I was more under the it is possible line of thought. I did like the idea he was real. HE IS ALIVE AND HE DOES CARE he told me himself. i think i would like to talk pm me if ya like.

 

[Quickfire]

Hi yes i was like you too thinking that itS under the possible thought once apon a time to.

Im always looking for inspiring scriptures to help with my spiritual awareness.

I suppose i could just say read the scriptures to every single question i get involved in and no one could ever dispute that, if all i said was read and find out for yourself,

like yesterday i was asked from a person i had never talked to before his very first thing he said to me was will i go to hell for committing adultery,

my answer was i can not make that decision only God can, i also advised him to look up the word repent in the bible, as many bibles have an index of words which will point you to many passages, so like if i had gone straight into scripture and read out scripture that makes the person feel convicted, I might have been seen as passing judgment, now if had said god wants all his children to be saved which he does, that gives hope to the person, but going back to my last point if i just sit there and say nothing when i could of said something in the eyes of the lord i would be held responsible, for not helping a sinner to come to the lord, there are many different ways to deal with a situation in the bible and most point to forgiveness and understanding, which one should you for first should i go for the authority of god in the old t or the love of Jesus in the new t,
Jesus shows the authority of god through out the new t, when preaching and talking to the pharisees (the roadd to Galilee) Jesus is no wimp.
Now the question because Jesus does, does that mean i do.

 

[jkalyna]

I wouldn't get hung up with this. When we tell people about the new birth it is about accepting Jesus. We tell them in John 3:16 that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son." you know the rest. In time the Holy spirit reveals all truth, as someone grows in the Lord.

 

[Quickfire]

thanks and hi jkaclny your right it can be a topic you want to caught up with, because if your not mature you could end up losing your walk. and you are right we the people are the church,
But yup we can just pray, and also we can just remain silent and not say nothing, will that stop people being banned or kicked out of cc chat, anyways im happy i can talk about salvation too, so its not a bg issue to me,

for me this topic is not sensitive or worrying for me because i find it a good topic

peace to you sis in the name of the farther the son the holy spirit

 

[p_rehbein]

I watched the video concerning Jesus............God the Son, and have long known these Scriptures and believe them.....but it is always a blessing to revisit them......

In my opinion only.............believing in the Holy Trinity, the Triune God is a must for believers..............The Triune God created us as triune beings........body, soul, spirit, so why is it so hard for people to believe in the Triune God? Three Persons in One in Perfect Harmony.........The Apostle Paul speaks of the triune man btw.......

 

[Quickfire]

hi p_rehbein you ask a verry good question why is it so hard for people to believe, ?

my answer is why is so hard for people to understand that its not to hard to be happy to talk to people who don't believe,

 

[p_rehbein]

hi p_rehbein you ask a verry good question why is it so hard for people to believe, ?

my answer is why is so hard for people to understand that its not to hard to be happy to talk to people who don't believe,

I think I know what you are saying.........but to kinda be sure........I am always happy to talk to people who don't believe, as a believer that is what I am suppose to do...........Jesus commanded it...........If we don't talk to those who don't believe, how will the Gospel ever be preached/witnessed to?