Satan’s deception

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miknik5

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Well here's the video, I thought I'd look more in to Joel Osteen and a bunch of related videos came up, I haven't finished watching them yet.

[video=youtube;Gba8BtJAOqg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gba8BtJAOqg[/video]
I guess that's the deception
men thinking somehow they have to look to men when they should go seek THE LORD for themselves

if a man/woman doesn't know THE LORD and hasn't grown in his/her knowledge of the LORD through reading and praying, he/she won't be able to discern the pure UNADULTERATED TRUTH of GOD from the lies of the enemy
 
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Zen

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I guess that's the deception
men thinking somehow they have to look to men when they should go seek THE LORD for themselves

if a man/woman doesn't know THE LORD and hasn't grown in his/her knowledge of the LORD through reading and praying, he/she won't be able to discern the lies from THE TRUTH
Are you saying I'm sinning by researching someone who was accused of being a false teacher or the people who go to their churches?
 
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The pope admitted to you that he completely changed the bible over 4000 times in the last century. But this truth torments them and they will never accept it.
These people think the bible is the creator. They take the verse, the word was god, to mean that the bible was wrote before adam and eve. As a matter in fact every single thing about their religion they misunderstand and have no will to understand or obey their own creator if it conflicts with their religion where they dont have to do anything and are forgiven for anything nomatter what they do. Their whole religion is a dumb ceremony where some stranger at some church says 'do you accept the lord as your savior', they say 'yes' and BOOM you are saved, all the mystery and greatness of life is boiled down to that stupid thing. The rest of the religion they just throw away and attack you if you mention it.
Anyway onto the topic, if you dont know you are misled then the Lord has not been talking to you. I dont think the people here generally know the Lord at all. I think all they do is the opposite of what the bible even says to do. They just argue over religion all day and be rude to each other. They are generally arrogant and call everybody sinners and tell them to go pray or something when they act like hethen. In short the people here are far too stupid to grasp what you are saying.
 

miknik5

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Are you saying I'm sinning by researching someone who was accused of being a false teacher or the people who go to their churches?
I would say that you should read what people write and don't go beyond what they have said

I would also say that you shouldn't offer your assumptions of what you think another has said and meant unless you know for sure

that also applies to those who add to and go beyond GOD's WORD and say "no, GOD did not really say"...all the while changing what GOD really did say


that has been the age old lie and deception from the very beginning:

Did GOD really say (you will die)?
(sound familiar?)

Adding, If one doesn't know what GOD really did say, they'll listen to any other whispering lying spirits who will offer "another suggestion" altering GOD's WORD and TRUTH with their "yeasty" opinion, thoughts, ideas, notions to GOD's WORD
 
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I guess that's the deception
men thinking somehow they have to look to men when they should go seek THE LORD for themselves

if a man/woman doesn't know THE LORD and hasn't grown in his/her knowledge of the LORD through reading and praying, he/she won't be able to discern the pure UNADULTERATED TRUTH of GOD from the lies of the enemy
Like this guy. I have tried to tell people in here and got attacked so bad. I didnt watch the vid and dont know about him being reptilian but everything he teaches is aligned with amateur satanic stuff 101 and really I cant help it but to say people who would even think of going to some church like that, I no longer even speak to on here. They are so far away from having a drop of spirit on them that I am sure they are hopeless for all their life. If they cant even see that yet I mean really why are we wasting our time. They will say blah bla I am a jerk and this and that because they dont understand what I am saying but what I am saying is fully true and they are not worthy of the Lord and not worthy to speak to me.
 

miknik5

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#47
The pope admitted to you that he completely changed the bible over 4000 times in the last century. But this truth torments them and they will never accept it.
These people think the bible is the creator. They take the verse, the word was god, to mean that the bible was wrote before adam and eve. As a matter in fact every single thing about their religion they misunderstand and have no will to understand or obey their own creator if it conflicts with their religion where they dont have to do anything and are forgiven for anything nomatter what they do. Their whole religion is a dumb ceremony where some stranger at some church says 'do you accept the lord as your savior', they say 'yes' and BOOM you are saved, all the mystery and greatness of life is boiled down to that stupid thing. The rest of the religion they just throw away and attack you if you mention it.
Anyway onto the topic, if you dont know you are misled then the Lord has not been talking to you. I dont think the people here generally know the Lord at all. I think all they do is the opposite of what the bible even says to do. They just argue over religion all day and be rude to each other. They are generally arrogant and call everybody sinners and tell them to go pray or something when they act like hethen. In short the people here are far too stupid to grasp what you are saying.
The pope admitted to me?

Who is following the pope?

this is in line to Paul's directive to the church at Corinth:
who is paul
who is cephas
who is Apollos
who is the pope

i wasnt baptized into the popes baptism

nor do I want to be
nor do I need to be
 

Zen

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I would say that you should read what people write and don't go beyond what they have said
If I did that, I'd have remained an atheist, after reading atheists mocking and seeing them posting science.

I would also say that you shouldn't offer your assumptions of what you think another has said and meant unless you know for sure
But what if the person who told you what to think didn't adhere to this advice, they'd obviously be teaching false things. Right?

It just sounds like you wanted to accuse me of something, implying that I'm sinning for watching a video about Christian teachers who may be heretics.
 

miknik5

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#49
The pope admitted to you that he completely changed the bible over 4000 times in the last century. But this truth torments them and they will never accept it.
These people think the bible is the creator. They take the verse, the word was god, to mean that the bible was wrote before adam and eve. As a matter in fact every single thing about their religion they misunderstand and have no will to understand or obey their own creator if it conflicts with their religion where they dont have to do anything and are forgiven for anything nomatter what they do. Their whole religion is a dumb ceremony where some stranger at some church says 'do you accept the lord as your savior', they say 'yes' and BOOM you are saved, all the mystery and greatness of life is boiled down to that stupid thing. The rest of the religion they just throw away and attack you if you mention it.
Anyway onto the topic, if you dont know you are misled then the Lord has not been talking to you. I dont think the people here generally know the Lord at all. I think all they do is the opposite of what the bible even says to do. They just argue over religion all day and be rude to each other. They are generally arrogant and call everybody sinners and tell them to go pray or something when they act like hethen. In short the people here are far too stupid to grasp what you are saying.
Sir?
1 John 2:27 and John 3:8 are TRUTH
No one needs to be led by any man...no man needs to teach another know the lord, for it is by HIS SPIRIT that we are led to ALL TRUTH
 

miknik5

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Are you saying I'm sinning by researching someone who was accused of being a false teacher or the people who go to their churches?
I would say that you should read what people write and don't go beyond what they have said


If I did that, I'd have remained an atheist, after reading atheists mocking and seeing them posting science.



But what if the person who told you what to think didn't adhere to this advice, they'd obviously be teaching false things. Right?

It just sounds like you wanted to accuse me of something, implying that I'm sinning for watching a video about Christian teachers who may be heretics.
the key word is "seems"

To you it seems I accused you and said you were sinning?

show me where I said this
or again, as I said don't add your opinions of others and say what they are doing if it isn't a truth

it is your opinion
and because it is your opinion it remains an opinion and not a truth
 

Zen

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Oh boy, here we go.

I have tried to tell people in here and got attacked so bad. I didnt watch the vid and dont know about him being reptilian
But you're now going to educate us about how they are definitely satanic, because someone told you it was true?

but everything he teaches is aligned with amateur satanic stuff 101 and really I cant help it but to say people who would even think of going to some church like that, I no longer even speak to on here.
How would you know it's satanic if you didn't watch / hear their preaching? What if some envious Christian slandered someone and you believed it?

I only remember seeing the guy speak like once or twice and I just remember he was quiet and encouraging, and I saw someone earlier say he was a false teacher. I wanted to look in to the matter. Label me anything you want to, it's God you have to answer to.

They are so far away from having a drop of spirit on them that I am sure they are hopeless for all their life. If they cant even see that yet I mean really why are we wasting our time. They will say blah bla I am a jerk and this and that because they dont understand what I am saying but what I am saying is fully true and they are not worthy of the Lord and not worthy to speak to me
You're entitled to your opinions but isn't God someone who dislikes puffed up attitudes? And someone who says that calling someone empty-headed puts them in danger?

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Psalm 138:6
Though the Lord be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.
 

miknik5

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#52
If I did that, I'd have remained an atheist, after reading atheists mocking and seeing them posting science.



But what if the person who told you what to think didn't adhere to this advice, they'd obviously be teaching false things. Right?

It just sounds like you wanted to accuse me of something, implying that I'm sinning for watching a video about Christian teachers who may be heretics.
I didn't accuse you of anything nor did I have any reason to
 

miknik5

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#53
What I said about a person seeking to know the LORD for themselves applies to any person regardless of the pastor whose sermons they listen to

The pastor isn't going to come home and live with you to help you grow in your knowledge of JESUS

THAT is your work

all men are called to know HIM for themselves and can not rely on a spiritual elder to be their middleman in their relationship with THE LORD

Nor would they want a middleman involved in their relationship with the LORD
 

Zen

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show me where I said this
I guess that's the deception
men thinking somehow they have to look to men when they should go seek THE LORD for themselves
I said I was watching some videos, and you started talking about how it's deception to look to men instead of the Lord.

I asked if you were referring to me, for watching the video or referring to the people who were attending their church.

I would say that you should read what people write and don't go beyond what they have said
Consider your own statement:

that has been the age old lie and deception from the very beginning:

Did GOD really say (you will die)?
(sound familiar?)
We should go beyond what they say, to get to the truth.
 

miknik5

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#55
Those who seek shall find
Those who ask it shall be given
those who knock THE DOOR shall be opened

and HE will come in and "sup/fellowship" with you
and you with HIM


And you will learn of HIM from HIM

not from a man
 

miknik5

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#56
Be like the townspeople in John 4

they heard the woman at the well's testimony
and they asked HIM to stay with them


and afterwards, they said to the woman

we no longer believe by your word but we have heard HIM for ourselves and we believe that this is THE SAVIOR who was to come into the world
 

miknik5

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I said I was watching some videos, and you started talking about how it's deception to look to men instead of the Lord.

I asked if you were referring to me, for watching the video or referring to the people who were attending their church.



Consider your own statement:



We should go beyond what they say, to get to the truth.
what you highlighted from my post, When I said we shouldn't go beyond what someone has written, I was talking about your accusation of me

i wasn't talking about someone speaking for GOD

YES, in that you are to be like a Berean and search the scriptures to see if what they say is in line to the written word of GOD
 
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Zmouth

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Especially since in order to get a copyright issued for their translations they had to make material changes in the text in order to distinguish itself from the KJV which is public domain in the US.

So is it little wonder that Genesis 1:1 went from heaven and the earth in the KJV to heavens and earth in the copyrighted translations. But I guess it really doesn't matter unless you had to be taught how to read.