Satan's Great Tribulation of Islam

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Many believers wrongly think that the Great Tribulation is God's Wrath coming against a sinful world. Nothing can be further from the truth. The Great Tribulation is of Satan and is against God's people, Jews and Christians alike. God's Wrath comes in response to Satan's Tribulation.

First comes Satan's Wrath. Rev 12:12 ..."Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” Obviously, Satan's wrath comes before God's Wrath because God gets the last word.

Satan uses his false religion ISLAM (which is modern Babylon worship) and radicalizes it into a killing machine to persecute and murder everyone on earth who will not follow his false religion, god and prophet. Daniel and John both describe the radical ISLAMIC extremists who we are seeing today and they are just getting started.
 
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SATAN ---> false god "Allah" ---> false angel "Gabriel" ---> Mohammed ---> Qur'an ---> ISLAM
 
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Revelation 12

13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

14But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.

15The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood.

16But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth.

17Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus..."
 
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Revelation 12
17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus..."
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Yes, so Satan won't be bothering with many of the OSASers!

Yes, many do not believe that they are required to keep the commandments of God,
and so they do not bother to!
 
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The spirit of antichrist is the spirit of a lie, which came at the time of Jesus and the apostles but is still present today in many deceivers. Islam is just one of those many false religions and beliefs who are of this same spirit. But all who deny the Truth according to Gods word is also of this same spirit, even mans science that denies the Creator is of that same spirit. (spirit of a lie)

Many look at tribulation as physical affliction, but greater destruction can be done spiritually so without the world even seeing it, or knowing it. This kind of destruction is done in a way that people don't even realize it,as shown in Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
 
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Islam is just one of those many false religions and beliefs who are of this same spirit.
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It's much more than that. It isn't the spirit of Islam chopping people's heads off.
 
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SATAN ---> false god "Allah" ---> false angel "Gabriel" ---> Mohammed ---> Qur'an ---> ISLAM
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I think you'll find Gabriel is actually a real angel..
 
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General Tribulation has been going on since the days of Israel being in Egypt. Literal tribulation (which is the persecuting, including murder of God's people) goes back to Egypt (John's first Beast) and continues until today. It included Babylon, Rome, the Ottoman Empire, Nazi Germany, etc and is ongoing today.

Satan has been against Israel since it started and against mankind in general. Not able to wipe out Israel, Satan will turn his tribulation against Israel's off-spring who keep the commandments of God and Christ. Slaughter of Christians has begun and will continue and increase. This is way more than some spiritual warfare. It has real physical life and death implications.

The Great Tribulation will be tribulation on steroids and Satan is behind it.
 
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PlainWord said:
It's much more than that. It isn't the spirit of Islam chopping people's heads off.
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Actually it is the spirit of this world that causes them to kill and persecute, because they are of the flesh and do the lusts of their father the Devil (for he was a murderer from the beginning.)

Look to the allegory of the 2 sons in Galatians 4:22-23[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Who is Paul referring to in this allegory? He is referring to the firstborn Ishmael and also the child of promise in Isaac, which speaks of the 2 spiritual seeds (one flesh, the other Spirit)

Islam believes Ishmael (firstborn) is that seed by rejecting the children of promise and that seed to come in Christ.

And what says the scripture in Galatians 4:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now."

Even so it is now in all those who are of the flesh, (firstborn nature in man)
 
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jackamo said:
I think you'll find Gabriel is actually a real angel..
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I know in Daniel he is referred to as man

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

And to Zach in Luke 1:19 and to Mary Gabriel is called an angel

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabrielwas sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

But in respects to the angel that supposedly come to Mohammed which he says called himself Gabriel?

Can't be the same Gabriel its a different gospel, this applies to angels supposedly from heaven

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2 Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Actually it is the spirit of this world that causes them to kill and persecute, because they are of the flesh and do the lusts of their father the Devil (for he was a murderer from the beginning.)

Look to the allegory of the 2 sons in Galatians 4:22-23[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Who is Paul referring to in this allegory? He is referring to the firstborn Ishmael and also the child of promise in Isaac, which speaks of the 2 spiritual seeds (one flesh, the other Spirit)

Islam believes Ishmael (firstborn) is that seed by rejecting the children of promise and that seed to come in Christ.

And what says the scripture in Galatians 4:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now."

Even so it is now in all those who are of the flesh, (firstborn nature in man)
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I agree with this. Your previous post made it seem like this warfare was only in the spirit and not noticed in the physical world.

Many look at tribulation as physical affliction, but greater destruction can be done spiritually so without the world even seeing it, or knowing it.
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My point is the world will see it and know it. Spiritual warfare will result in real horror in the physical world. My bigger point is Satan is behind it and controlling it.
 
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PlainWord said:
It's much more than that. It isn't the spirit of Islam chopping people's heads off.
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Mark 7:21-23[SUP]21 [/SUP]For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The battle is not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual wickedness that works within the hearts and minds of men.
 
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I know in Daniel he is referred to as man

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

And to Zach in Luke 1:19 and to Mary Gabriel is called an angel

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabrielwas sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

But in respects to the angel that supposedly come to Mohammed which he says called himself Gabriel?

Can't be the same Gabriel its a different gospel, this applies to angels supposedly from heaven

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2 Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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Gabriel is an angel. Daniel's use of the word, "Man" is a figure of speech. Gabriel appeared to look like a man...

Daniel 8:15
[ Gabriel Interprets the Vision ] Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Mark 7:21-23[SUP]21 [/SUP]For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The battle is not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual wickedness that works within the hearts and minds of men.
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Agreed completely. The fruits of such spiritual warfare is physical death. There will be untold millions slaughtered.
 
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PlainWord said:
Gabriel is an angel. Daniel's use of the word, "Man" is a figure of speech. Gabriel appeared to look like a man...

Daniel 8:15
[ Gabriel Interprets the Vision ] Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man.
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Thats why I said he is referred to as a man there and underlined the part where he was caused to "fly swiftly", they do have an appearance of a man as Manoah kept referring to the angel of the LORD as a man.

In Mohammed's case he might tell of an angel named Gabriel (who indeed is an angel as shown in the scriptures) but this Gabriel who had come to him is not necessarily a real angel in the sense of trueness if he preached to Mohammed another gospel.
 
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PlainWord said:
Agreed completely. The fruits of such spiritual warfare is physical death. There will be untold millions slaughtered.
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It's not the physical death you need to worry about, but the spiritual death.

Matthew 10:28[SUP]28 [/SUP]And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
It's not the physical death you need to worry about, but the spiritual death.

Matthew 10:28[SUP]28 [/SUP]And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Obviously, but it would be nice to not lose ones head because of stupidity.
 
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Thats why I said he is referred to as a man there and underlined the part where he was caused to "fly swiftly", they do have an appearance of a man as Manoah kept referring to the angel of the LORD as a man.

In Mohammed's case he might tell of an angel named Gabriel (who indeed is an angel as shown in the scriptures) but this Gabriel who had come to him is not necessarily a real angel in the sense of trueness if he preached to Mohammed another gospel.
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Mohammed is/was the False Prophet of Satan's great False religion. Since Satan is the Father of all Liars I wouldn't trust anything Mohammed had to say so you can pretty much say that the real Gabriel didn't appear to him unless it was to rebuke him.
 
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PlainWord said:
Mohammed is/was the False Prophet of Satan's great False religion. Since Satan is the Father of all Liars I wouldn't trust anything Mohammed had to say so you can pretty much say that the real Gabriel didn't appear to him unless it was to rebuke him.
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I didnt say to trust Mohammed or even imply he was somehow a true prophet, the title of the thread had to do with Islam, Mohammed is its leader and a poster said something to the effect that Gabriel was a real angel, and indeed in the scriptures He is, but in the context of a false doctrine, and false prophet and his testimony concerning an angel named Gabriel I was trying to distinguish for clarity.

I was pretty much saying that even Satan is transformed into an angel of light, and that the words of the same (which Mohammed claims he heard) were never from Gabriel at all. As Paul says, though WE or AN ANGEL from heaven preach another gospel (then that which had been preached) let him be accursed.

Good enough for me, most folks might be like, "wow, and angel showed up and told me I got it all wrong" and run with whatever they said to them (without question) simply because he were an angel (or at least perceived as one).
 
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