Saved by faith alone?
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God does the spiritual part of the baptism, when man does the physical part of baptizing in the name of Jesus. That's what it means to be baptized in the name of Jesus.... you are being baptized into his death, burial, and resurrection....
Romans 6
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [b]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [c]in the likeness of His resurrection,
Romans 6
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [b]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [c]in the likeness of His resurrection,
So, baptism into Jesus is the one baptism?
I guess being baptized with the Holy Spirit wouldn't make it 2 baptisms... or with fire (still haven't seen that one) which would make it 3 baptisms...
Jesus told us to be baptized in water ..... so that would make, what, 4 baptisms by your way of thinking?
I guess being baptized with the Holy Spirit wouldn't make it 2 baptisms... or with fire (still haven't seen that one) which would make it 3 baptisms...
Jesus told us to be baptized in water ..... so that would make, what, 4 baptisms by your way of thinking?
Baptism into jesus is that. Baptism into Jesus
Baptism with the HS is the Holy Spirit baptizing you into Jesus.
baptism in fire has not occured yet. It will occure at the great white throne judgment
Then of course, yu have Baptize in water. Which is yet another baptism.
I guess you need to chose which one you place your faith in, Spirit baptism, or water baptism,
me, I chose spirit..
However, as you said, Jesus did tell me to become a disciple then get baptized in water. Which I did and I was..
Baptism with the HS is the Holy Spirit baptizing you into Jesus.
baptism in fire has not occured yet. It will occure at the great white throne judgment
Then of course, yu have Baptize in water. Which is yet another baptism.
I guess you need to chose which one you place your faith in, Spirit baptism, or water baptism,
me, I chose spirit..
However, as you said, Jesus did tell me to become a disciple then get baptized in water. Which I did and I was..
For someone to say they have faith but they never repented is an oxymoron and for someone to say they truly repented but they don't have faith is also an oxymoron. Repentance and faith are two sides to the same coin of receiving Christ.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Church of Christ gospel plan is to hear, believe, repent, confess, and be (water) baptized for the forgiveness of sins. Here it is reasoned that if one will simply accomplish these “5 steps,” the believer will thereby save himself.
Notice that this plan places faith before repentance.
To those in the Churches of Christ, this is common sense because it is believed that ‘one must believe before he can repent.’ This view arises from their understanding of both “faith” and “repentance.”
“Faith” in the Churches of Christ is understood as ‘intellectual assent” or accepting the facts of the Christian faith. To them it is believing God’s historical testimony about Himself, Jesus Christ, and that of the rest of the Bible.
Repentance on the other hand is understood as moral self-reformation.
In regard to faith, those in the Churches of Christ often fail to understand that there is a deeper, more substantive aspect of faith which is believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life, and most cannot distinguish between mere intellectual belief or assent from a personal faith that is trusting or resting on Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
Here, they will cite that “even the devils believe” (from James 2:19) in their sermons and will contend that even the "faith of devils" is the same as any other faith except that the faith of devils lacks any moral or religious good works.
*This explains why people in the Church of Christ have so much faith in water baptism and other works for salvation.*
Thus, their understanding gives rise to their reversal of the scriptural order of repentance and faith, and yet as we will find, there is not a single scripture in the New Testament to support their view.
To the contrary, when we consider this in light of the Scriptures, we find repentance actually preceding Faith:
“…you did not repent and believe him.” Matt. 21:32
“Repent, and believe in the gospel.” Mark 1:15
“…repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” Acts 20:21
“…repent and turn to God.” Acts 26:20
“…not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God.” Heb. 6:1
These verses should make it clear that repentance actually precedes faith.
Faith and Repentance (cofcdilemma.org)
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Church of Christ gospel plan is to hear, believe, repent, confess, and be (water) baptized for the forgiveness of sins. Here it is reasoned that if one will simply accomplish these “5 steps,” the believer will thereby save himself.
Notice that this plan places faith before repentance.
To those in the Churches of Christ, this is common sense because it is believed that ‘one must believe before he can repent.’ This view arises from their understanding of both “faith” and “repentance.”
“Faith” in the Churches of Christ is understood as ‘intellectual assent” or accepting the facts of the Christian faith. To them it is believing God’s historical testimony about Himself, Jesus Christ, and that of the rest of the Bible.
Repentance on the other hand is understood as moral self-reformation.
In regard to faith, those in the Churches of Christ often fail to understand that there is a deeper, more substantive aspect of faith which is believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life, and most cannot distinguish between mere intellectual belief or assent from a personal faith that is trusting or resting on Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
Here, they will cite that “even the devils believe” (from James 2:19) in their sermons and will contend that even the "faith of devils" is the same as any other faith except that the faith of devils lacks any moral or religious good works.
*This explains why people in the Church of Christ have so much faith in water baptism and other works for salvation.*
Thus, their understanding gives rise to their reversal of the scriptural order of repentance and faith, and yet as we will find, there is not a single scripture in the New Testament to support their view.
To the contrary, when we consider this in light of the Scriptures, we find repentance actually preceding Faith:
“…you did not repent and believe him.” Matt. 21:32
“Repent, and believe in the gospel.” Mark 1:15
“…repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” Acts 20:21
“…repent and turn to God.” Acts 26:20
“…not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God.” Heb. 6:1
These verses should make it clear that repentance actually precedes faith.
Faith and Repentance (cofcdilemma.org)
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great chart
the only problem I have is the baptism here is the baptism of God, or the baptism of the holy spirit
Not some baptism in water
the only problem I have is the baptism here is the baptism of God, or the baptism of the holy spirit
Not some baptism in water
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repent must occur before faith
the very change of mind from unbelief to belief is the act of repentance.
sadly. some claim they have faith but never repented.. their faith is either in their works (legalism) or their pride that they are (licentiousness)
both false gospels, while being on the opposite side of the road) are based on that same road (pride)
one says they have to do something to be forgiven, that it is nuts to rely on faith alone
the other says they are not really bad people. so I can say a prayer and I am saved. and since I am not really bad, I can continue to live as I have (no works)
Both are lost.. as Paul condemns the legalist. James and Jude condemn the licentious or easy believers..
the very change of mind from unbelief to belief is the act of repentance.
sadly. some claim they have faith but never repented.. their faith is either in their works (legalism) or their pride that they are (licentiousness)
both false gospels, while being on the opposite side of the road) are based on that same road (pride)
one says they have to do something to be forgiven, that it is nuts to rely on faith alone
the other says they are not really bad people. so I can say a prayer and I am saved. and since I am not really bad, I can continue to live as I have (no works)
Both are lost.. as Paul condemns the legalist. James and Jude condemn the licentious or easy believers..
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"Baptized into Christ" does not mean water baptized into the body of Christ, as water-salvationists teach. That is only accomplished through Spirit baptism. (1 Corinthians 12:13) Now in what "sense" would a believer be "water baptized into Christ?" In the same "sense" that the Israelites were "baptized into Moses.." (1 Corinthians 10:2) The Israelites were not literally water baptized into the body of Moses and there is little dispute that being "baptized into Moses" signified the open allegiance and public identification of the Israelites with Moses as their leader. Moses was formally recognized as the leader of the covenant people. Water baptism signifies our allegiance and public identification with Christ as our Savior, so it would only be in that sense.
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I see it as Israel was baptized (placed into) Moses By God.
we too are baptized (placed into) Christ By God
both are spiritual baptisms. As moses was the head in Israel in the march to the promised land. so to is Christ our head in our walk here on earth headed to our promised land (heaven)
water baptism is just a symbol of this
we too are baptized (placed into) Christ By God
both are spiritual baptisms. As moses was the head in Israel in the march to the promised land. so to is Christ our head in our walk here on earth headed to our promised land (heaven)
water baptism is just a symbol of this