Scientific Proof that all things came into being through the word of God?

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ZNP

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In which language? english? russian? greec, hebrew?
when they look for a code in the Bible they have to translate the words to Hebrew.

If you are asking about the control experiments with other books I don't know the answer to that.
 

Dino246

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If you are asking about the control experiments with other books I don't know the answer to that.
So why did you make this claim in a prior response to me?

Whoa. That is why the control included checking 1 million books to see if that were true.
 

ZNP

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So why did you make this claim in a prior response to me?
The experiment including the control was designed by the foremost authority in statistical analysis and a person who is a world famous skeptic and also someone who tried to make the standard so high that no one would be able to meet it. Not only so but the journal also did not want to publish this and if they had any reason to shoot it down they would have. Not only so but this journal was read worldwide by experts in the field, code breakers at all the intelligence agencies.

I trust that the experiment was done in a way that far exceeded all our usual standards for scientific experiments and published studies.

But in the end this is not 1994. To me the debate over whether or not this is valid today is like someone debating whether or not electricity is real. This debate was settled a long time ago and now with our incredible computing power we are able to find Bible codes weekly, even daily.

The real question today is what do you do with this? What are the implications? And, why now?
 

Dino246

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The experiment including the control was designed by the foremost authority in statistical analysis and a person who is a world famous skeptic and also someone who tried to make the standard so high that no one would be able to meet it. Not only so but the journal also did not want to publish this and if they had any reason to shoot it down they would have. Not only so but this journal was read worldwide by experts in the field, code breakers at all the intelligence agencies.

I trust that the experiment was done in a way that far exceeded all our usual standards for scientific experiments and published studies.

But in the end this is not 1994. To me the debate over whether or not this is valid today is like someone debating whether or not electricity is real. This debate was settled a long time ago and now with our incredible computing power we are able to find Bible codes weekly, even daily.

The real question today is what do you do with this? What are the implications? And, why now?
No citations, just assertion after assertion, and you end with "What do you do with this?"

My answer: Nothing, because you haven't proven anything. Provide the citations for your claims. Until you do, you're just blowing smoke.
 

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This guy does a great job with the Bible codes and if you visit his channel there are a whole lot of them.

 

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"And I will make you to this people a fortified bronze wall and they will fight against you but they shall not prevail against you for I am with you."
 

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Equidistant-letter sequences are not "proof" of anything of the sort. They are interesting to be sure, but the statistical research behind their "discovery" does not qualify as scientific. There was too much manipulation of the text, and the searches were far too contrived.
https://religions.wiki/index.php/Ar...nt_Letter_Sequences_in_the_Torah_and_Qur.27an
https://www.answering-islam.org/Religions/Numerics/
https://www.answering-islam.org/Religions/Numerics/chanukah.html
https://sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/math-miracle/19/bible-code-vs-quran-code

The Bible code is just another sub version of mystical gematria.

"Throughout history, some people have believed that the Torah contains secrets that can be revealed by gematria and used to predict historical events. This belief continues to this day, and was popularized by Michael Drasin’s best-selling (and much criticized) The Bible Code, published in 1997. Some Hasidic communities that are steeped in the study of kabbalistic literature believe that the Torah, as read through the lens of gematria, contains clues to current events. " https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/gematria/
 

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How would you design an experiment to prove that all things came into being through the word of God?
I would start by asking God for a time machine and the dates of creation. Then I would ask him for the most effective experiments to do.
I would ask him to help me do the experiments and publish the results.
 

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True science does not prove the word of God as truth. Gods word is truth. Science that lines up with the Bible only proves that the science is true.
God gave us two books, the Bible and the book of Nature.
 

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Bible codes are the word of God, it is absurd to think the Bible is the word of God but the codes in the word are not also His word.
 

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"Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously, every man against his brother?

 

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Corona virus and the cure.

 

Dino246

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The human body is also built up by a guided process. Like the stone arch, there may be different supports that were in place in order to get the final product that were removed along the way when they were no longer needed.
Yes, the human body is "constructed" on (or rather, in) a matrix called the placenta which is discarded after birth.

God didn't need a placenta or any other form of matrix. The Bible states that He formed the man from the dust of the earth. If God is able to hold all things together by His word (Hebrews 1:3), surely He is able to hold some grains of dust together while He completes the formation of the body.
 

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Yes, the human body is "constructed" on (or rather, in) a matrix called the placenta which is discarded after birth.

God didn't need a placenta or any other form of matrix. The Bible states that He formed the man from the dust of the earth. If God is able to hold all things together by His word (Hebrews 1:3), surely He is able to hold some grains of dust together while He completes the formation of the body.
Yes, but after the man child is born there will be a bloody mess and that is the placenta being tossed in the biologic waste heading for the fire.
 

Dino246

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Yes, but after the man child is born there will be a bloody mess and that is the placenta being tossed in the biologic waste heading for the fire.
Like I said, discarded.

I don't see how your comment contributes anything but gore to the discussion.
 

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Scientific Proof that all things came into being through the word of God?


Would not change the darkened heart of a rebel.

Romans
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Are we not warned? Not everyone is meant to understand the scriptures. It is why they are foolishness to them.
 

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Bible codes are the word of God, it is absurd to think the Bible is the word of God but the codes in the word are not also His word.
You do realize that bible code theory that has been demonstrated as false was from Jewish Mysticism right?

The same code nonsense works in occultic books like the Book of Mormon, Koran, New Age Writings and so on.
 

ZNP

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You do realize that bible code theory that has been demonstrated as false was from Jewish Mysticism right?

The same code nonsense works in occultic books like the Book of Mormon, Koran, New Age Writings and so on.
Can you provide a link to that study. Thanks.