Sealed

[flob]

The seal of the Spirit in Eph......is nothing less than the mingling of the Spirit in the believer's spirit.
1 Cor 6. Permanent, un-doable, eternal, everlasting, irrevocable, unchangeable...........yes grievable : /
............ until all the children of God are brought into full sonship. The manifestation of the sons of God.
God as Father is...................indefatigable, undefeatable

 

[Gr8grace]

Do you like to disappoint your dad? How do you feel when you fail your parent and they look down upon you with disappoinment? Did you get whipped when you were a kid? God chastens his children, whips his children and the word grieve is NOT break! As a saved child of God who is convicted of sin, gets whipped when disobedient we should strive to please our Father and not cause his Spirit to grieve.........that does not is anyway shape or form state that the seal will be broken.....Christ WILL COMPLETE that which he started and the bible is FULL of verses that describe the CONFLICT between the fallen lost flesh and the BOR again SPIRIT that DOES not sin.....the HOLY SPIRIT dwells in the beiever and when we sin we cause the SPIRIT to grieve...JESUS, PAUL and others speaks to the willingness of the spirit and the weakness of the flesh...PAUL said clearly...when he went to do good he found a LAW that SIN was present with him....the best we can do until a glorified FINISHED body is to suppress the fallen weak flesh so as to let CHRIST shine through......it is that clear! And I am a firm believer that we are gaining and or losing reward based upon faithfulness, obedience or a lack there of, but our eternal state is secure in the hands of Christ!

And this is my passion. Believers are so convinced that it is our fight against sin that gains rewards. When in reality, it is living the Christian way of life and being filled and walking in the Spirit.................we don't fight sin in this, we just operate the way God wants us to operate.


An unbeliever can quit drinking.
An unbeliever can quit smoking.
An unbeliever can quit lying.
an unbeliever can quit cheating on his wife.
An unbeliever can quit stealing.
An unbeliever can quit criminal activity.

Is this spiritual if an unbeliever can do it? NO. If an unbeliever can do it is not spiritual.

But an unbeliever cannot walk in the Spirit and fulfill the EXACT plan that God has for his life.

 

[dcontroversal]

And this is my passion. Believers are so convinced that it is our fight against sin that gains rewards. When in reality, it is living the Christian way of life and being filled and walking in the Spirit.................we don't fight sin in this, we just operate the way God wants us to operate.


An unbeliever can quit drinking.
An unbeliever can quit smoking.
An unbeliever can quit lying.
an unbeliever can quit cheating on his wife.
An unbeliever can quit stealing.
An unbeliever can quit criminal activity.

Is this spiritual if an unbeliever can do it? NO. If an unbeliever can do it is not spiritual.

But an unbeliever cannot walk in the Spirit and fulfill the EXACT plan that God has for his life.

I agree....nor will an unbeliever have that leadership and or conviction of what God is seeking and or desiring in one's life!

 

[purgedconscience]

The bible states that tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that walks contrary....the word wrath comes from orge and is the fiery indignation of God.......the bible states that we are appointed unto tribulation, but have been saved from wrath by him.....John 3:36...the wrath of God is currently abiding on all who have not exercised faith into Jesus...all who have trusted Christ have had the condemnation of the law removed and the righteousness of God applied unto their lives....It is the spirit that has been saved, born again, sealed, justified and sanctified...it is currently housed in a body that is dead and fallen beacause of sin....that is where chastisment comes in....a child of God will not live a continual lifestlye of sin, but will endure chastening and come back to the fold and sometimes be taken out by death (physical) If one is without chastening they are a bastard and were never a son....the warnings are given just as you would warn a child to not play in the street because it could lead to an early demise....God warns us to walk in an obedient manner because there are consequences.....the loss of reward, physical ailment, physical death, the sword in our house (DAVID)<---at the result of his disobedience and many other examples......but the fact does not change that one is a child by birth...my son is my son by birth and that cannot EVER change.....sometimes when he disobeys me he gets in trouble, gets whipped or punished but no matter how many times I may punish him or reward him based upon what he does or does not do he will always be my son by BIRTH....Everything God does it is eternal......including the new birth by faith!

I'm sorry, but your answer simply doesn't suffice. The text speaks of those who have no inheritance in the kingdom of God and of Christ and not of those who simply lose rewards, suffer physical ailments or suffer physical death. Again, why the stern warning in relation to the same if the seal of God allegedly cannot be broken?

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm sorry, but your answer simply doesn't suffice. The text speaks of those who have no inheritance in the kingdom of God and of Christ and not of those who simply lose rewards, suffer physical ailments or suffer physical death. Again, why the stern warning in relation to the same if the seal of God allegedly cannot be broken?

It is rather simple...the ones listed....Idolater, whormonger etc. are not in Christ and have no part with Christ and no inheritance.....the call is to not partake with them...no where does it state the seal can be broken once one is sealed...common sense dictates that God wants us to be seperate and not walk in the manner of those around us...He also states that where SIN abounds GRACE did much more abound...does that mean we should live in sin because GRACE does much more abound...GOD forbid....David is a prime example of a saved child of God who sinned grieveously under the law and should have been put to death...yet a innocent child (Jesus) took his place, paid the debt and David suffered the rest of his life with the sword in his house and physical ailments...the contradiciton is between those who have no inheritance and those who do and those who do being called to a higher walk and to be seperate form the lost who have no inheritance....LOOK at the end of the day if you believe the seal can be broken and or one can lose salvation then you deny the Whatsoever and it being eternal as described in Ecclesiastes 3:11 no matter how you slice and dice! Whatsoever means what ever it is including the sealing that takes place......period! Take it or leave it....that is where I will stand now, tomorrow and until the end of my life or the end of the age....God forgave me, saved me, sealed me, justified me and sanctified me eternally and positionally in Christ...my life is HID in Christ and when the Father looks at me as sees the applied BLOOD he passes over and he sees the righteousness of Christ.....!

 

[purgedconscience]

It is rather simple...the ones listed....Idolater, whormonger etc. are not in Christ and have no part with Christ and no inheritance.....the call is to not partake with them...no where does it state the seal can be broken once one is sealed...common sense dictates that God wants us to be seperate and not walk in the manner of those around us...He also states that where SIN abounds GRACE did much more abound...does that mean we should live in sin because GRACE does much more abound...GOD forbid....David is a prime example of a saved child of God who sinned grieveously under the law and should have been put to death...yet a innocent child (Jesus) took his place, paid the debt and David suffered the rest of his life with the sword in his house and physical ailments...the contradiciton is between those who have no inheritance and those who do and those who do being called to a higher walk and to be seperate form the lost who have no inheritance....LOOK at the end of the day if you believe the seal can be broken and or one can lose salvation then you deny the Whatsoever and it being eternal as described in Ecclesiastes 3:11 no matter how you slice and dice! Whatsoever means what ever it is including the sealing that takes place......period! Take it or leave it....that is where I will stand now, tomorrow and until the end of my life or the end of the age....God forgave me, saved me, sealed me, justified me and sanctified me eternally and positionally in Christ...my life is HID in Christ and when the Father looks at me as sees the applied BLOOD he passes over and he sees the righteousness of Christ.....!

I'll leave it and my username is purgedconscience. In other words, I know about God's forgiveness and all that, but I also am wise enough not to discard all of the warnings given to Christians all throughout scripture and I've watched professing believers twist and distort the same from here to hell and back countless times throughout my life, so I really feel no need to get into all of that right now.

Good night.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can't help tieing in the breaking of the sealed tomb, declaring Death has been conquered!

Amen,

if the seal is not binding, but can be broken, if eternal life is not eternal. then the sting of death still is alive and powerful. and has not been broken as God promised.

we all have to go to the crave HOPING me did enough to be saved, but could never know if we did enough.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'll leave it and my username is purgedconscience. In other words, I know about God's forgiveness and all that, but I also am wise enough not to discard all of the warnings given to Christians all throughout scripture and I've watched professing believers twist and distort the same from here to hell and back countless times throughout my life, so I really feel no need to get into all of that right now.

Good night.

No offence, but to imply that I disregard the warnings of God is just foolish and is nothing more than an assumption on your part.....and to be quite frank....I have been watching people twist the scriptures and deny the scriptures for longer than you have been alive!