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soberxp

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I envy you for having such a good mother,
I jealous you for having such a good mother,

This is clearly not one thing
 

Edify

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There are several scriptures saying God is jealous, usually of His glory.
 

soberxp

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There are several scriptures saying God is jealous, usually of His glory.
我羡慕你有这么一个亲密的家庭。
I envy you having such a close family. Good means👍🏻
I jealous you having such a close family. Bad means
 

Edify

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我羡慕你有这么一个亲密的家庭。
I envy you having such a close family. Good means👍🏻
I jealous you having such a close family. Bad means
Sorry, there's no such thing as a good envy. Envious people covet.
 

soberxp

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Sorry, there's no such thing as a good envy. Envious people covet.
Well, you may have been affected by the wrong meaning for so long that hopefully you're not only not envious, but also not jealous.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Why not? I don't believe God is a jealous God.
Does he allow worship of other false gods ? And what happens when people do that ?

Notice how often in the ot he says “ Israel has provoked my wrath and anger and jealousy because they keep rejecting me and worshipping false gods “


It seems to be that like any husband , when your wife starts sleeping with your enemies your going to be provoked to jealousy

everything negative from God comes because man provokes him after he tells them clearly up front what will happen if they do that

Even if it says “ God repented of the evil he was going to do to his people “ like this

“And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that isn’t the whole story it’s not as if God arbitrarily decided to destroy them foret he explained “ do not create any heaven images and bow down to worship them and give them my glory , you will surely perish if you do it “

then after that they used thier trwawires God gave them to create a golden calf and bowed down and worshipped it thanking this golden cow for delivering then out of bondage in Egypt

they clearly provoked his response and then just as was commanded beforehand he decides

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: they have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then Moses intercedes and God repents based on Moses intercession but even though it says “ The lord repented of the evil he thought to do “ it’s always based on what he tells the people first and then what they do according to it

It would be an evil to see many people destroyed but God doesn’t do evil we provoke his word that’s always stated clearly and he tells us up front “this will result of you do it “

when man worships a false god it provokes the holy jealousy of God because we take our hearts made for him alone and give it away to fake things that don’t even exist but in our fragmented minds we think up other gods because we reject the true God who created us and gave us life , blessed us , wants to give us eternal life

Id say that all the wrath of God that has come and will come on creation is rooted in man straying from the true God and bedding down with false dieties created by men

often God states himself as a husband to his wife ( his people ) and often he uses that image of a marriage to explain things like what we mankind know as jealousy , is something right

When a woman strays from her husband in his sight and honors her lover as her husband instead of her husband jealousy is the right response to the provocation it doesn’t Come from God it comes from mans transgression
 

soberxp

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#27
Does he allow worship of other false gods ? And what happens when people do that ?

Notice how often in the ot he says “ Israel has provoked my wrath and anger and jealousy because they keep rejecting me and worshipping false gods “


It seems to be that like any husband , when your wife starts sleeping with your enemies your going to be provoked to jealousy

everything negative from God comes because man provokes him after he tells them clearly up front what will happen if they do that

Even if it says “ God repented of the evil he was going to do to his people “ like this

“And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that isn’t the whole story it’s not as if God arbitrarily decided to destroy them foret he explained “ do not create any heaven images and bow down to worship them and give them my glory , you will surely perish if you do it “

then after that they used thier trwawires God gave them to create a golden calf and bowed down and worshipped it thanking this golden cow for delivering then out of bondage in Egypt

they clearly provoked his response and then just as was commanded beforehand he decides

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: they have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then Moses intercedes and God repents based on Moses intercession but even though it says “ The lord repented of the evil he thought to do “ it’s always based on what he tells the people first and then what they do according to it

It would be an evil to see many people destroyed but God doesn’t do evil we provoke his word that’s always stated clearly and he tells us up front “this will result of you do it “

when man worships a false god it provokes the holy jealousy of God because we take our hearts made for him alone and give it away to fake things that don’t even exist but in our fragmented minds we think up other gods because we reject the true God who created us and gave us life , blessed us , wants to give us eternal life

Id say that all the wrath of God that has come and will come on creation is rooted in man straying from the true God and bedding down with false dieties created by men

often God states himself as a husband to his wife ( his people ) and often he uses that image of a marriage to explain things like what we mankind know as jealousy , is something right

When a woman strays from her husband in his sight and honors her lover as her husband instead of her husband jealousy is the right response to the provocation it doesn’t Come from God it comes from mans transgression
I don't know what the problem is with the difference between languages.

The meaning of jealousy, and the meaning of envy.

We use jealousy嫉妒 not envy羡慕 in the Bible.

And God is not a jealousy God in our Bible.

He is the God who avoids evil, of crouse including not worship of other false gods which will cause evil things happen.
 
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pottersclay

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I don't know what the problem is with the difference between languages.

The meaning of jealousy, and the meaning of envy.

We use jealousy嫉妒 not envy羡慕 in the Bible.

And God is not a jealousy God in our Bible.

He is the God who avoids evil, of crouse including not worship of other false gods which will cause evil things happen.
You have to admit ....you can be jealous of ones envy toward someone else..???
 

soberxp

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You have to admit ....you can be jealous of ones envy toward someone else..???
In our language and culture,
If I use envy For something, IT means bless.
If I jealous for something, It means it is something not good for me.

It may not even exist in the English language, but linguists take "envy" for 羡慕.
 

Edify

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Pilgrimshope

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#32
& Jealous isn't there either.
Pretty sure he was referencing this scripture

“for thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The first commandment is to have no other gods under penalty of death it’s not his name it’s an attribute of his character if man worships false gods they are going to receive his wrath. He’s telling them up front don’t do it this is how I am
 

Edify

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I would check again. It's capitalized meaning a proper name.