Seems Revalations and Book of Enoc are seldom/never preached about today.

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TheDivineWatermark

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Here's what William Kelly says on Jude 1 -

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"But how was Jude enabled to quote the words of Enoch, who was taken up to heaven before the flood - and nothing can be plainer than that he does give it as Enoch's words? "Enoch prophesied," he says. Well, I think that to us who know the power of the Spirit of God there is no real difficulty in the matter. It is all the same to Him to record what took place three thousand years ago as it would be to record what took place at the time the apostles lived. It may be a little more difficult to those who doubt this power, if they do; but we are the last who ought to do so.

"The fact is, that no tradition has any value beyond man, but a prophecy necessarily, if it is a true one, comes from God. We have no intimation that it was conveyed in any written form, and it was quite possible for the Holy Ghost to have given it again to Jude. I do not at all venture to say that it was so; we really do not know, but we do know, however Jude got it, that it is divine. We know that it is given with absolute certainty, and that it possesses God's authority.
There is a peculiarity when it says, "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam." People have made somewhat of that because they do not understand it. But it is very simple. There was more than one Enoch.

"There was an Enoch before this one - an Enoch the son of Cain. I do not see any ground to imagine something peculiar and mystical in this. At any rate, if there be such, I confess I do not know what it is. But I do know that there is a plain and sufficient sense to distinguish this Enoch, and to explain how he could prophesy. We should not look for prophecy in a son of Cain. But that Enoch taken up to heaven in a most remarkable way - more so, in some respects, than the case of any other man; more so than Elijah, though that was a miracle of similar import and character - that Enoch should be the medium of prophecy we can quite understand, for he walked with God, and was not. It was not that he died, but "he was not," because he was taken up to God; yet before he left the world, he prophesied. We can hardly doubt that he prophesied about the people of his own day. Prophecy always takes its start from what is actually present, and has a hold in the consciences of those then living. The object was to warn of the terrible consequences of evil that was persisted in, and how the evil then appearing would assuredly be judged of God in due time. But the Spirit of God also launches out to the end from the beginning. This is the common character of all prophecy. We find it throughout all the prophets at any rate. I do not, of course, say that it was always the case where the prediction was about something of a merely present nature, but it was so in the cases of those moral pictures which are not bound to any particular time or person. We can quite understand these being made the vehicle for the Spirit of God to look on to the time of judgment when it would not be providential action of the Lord, such as the flood, for instance, but - much more than any acting after that figurative manner - His real personal coming in judgment."

--William Kelly, Jude 1

[end quoting; bold mine]
 
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How long ago are you talking about? I think certain churches preach about it too much and a lot said about it is ear tickling
stuff that Paul warned us about. As for being in the end days we may be but then again we may not be. Only God knows'
The book of Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God before He ends this sin business on earth, and salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and to reveal Jesus to the world.

We are in the end time, the latter times, because the Bible warns us of the new age movement that will occur in the latter times, and the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts, which the new age movement interprets the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, which they believe he will cause them to evolve to become greater and spiritual.

The new age movement is here now.

God has to end this sin business on earth one day, for He only allotted mankind so long to be able to have salvation, and then allow them to rebel against Him by a kingdom that covers the whole world, for the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues.

God has to end this sin business one day, and the new age movement is the beginning of the end.

Which the biggest prophet of the new age movement is Alice Baily married to Foster Baily, a Freemason, and she wrote many books about the coming one world government, and religious system with all religions interpreted according to the new age movement, and he agreed with her writings, although people do not consider Freemasonry of the occult, and does not honor the God of forces, but he is of the inner circle, not the outer circle.

She said Lucifer did not fall in to sin and disgrace, but descended from the planet Venus years ago to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man, and will help them to evolve in the future, so they are setting up a kingdom for Lucifer.

Which all that dwell on earth that does not love God will worship Satan.

They put out a website to promote her books, lucistrust.com, so that is what the new age movement is about, and she liked the writings of Madam Blavatsky, who said Satan is both God and the devil like the duel nature of people.

The occultists are interpreting the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and is the future for this sinful world, which the powers to be want to establish evolution as standard religion in the world, and all religions as such, so they can produce the New Age Christ, which they do not believe he will help them to evolve until the nations come together as one to try to achieve peace on earth.

We know we are in the end time, the latter times, because of advanced travel, and advanced technology, which Daniel did not understand what was told him, but was told to go his way for they will understand at the time of the end, for many will run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

This will allow the saints to be able to see, hear, and know, what is going on around the world, and how it is possible for them to come together.

Jesus said that at the end time there will be wars, and rumors of wars, and nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and pestilences, and famine, and earthquakes, on different places on earth, but a person would not know what is going on in the earth without advanced technology, and travel.

We know we are at the last generation because the Bible says that the children will curse their father, and will not bless their mother, which there was no time in history that this happened among the children, but it is going on today, and started only a short time ago.

And they will be pure in their own eyes, but not washed from their filthiness, and we seen the rise of hypocrisy big time, and people who claim to be Christian who live like the world, and say things like they cannot abstain from sins, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, so they sin on purpose and think they are alright.

And they will be highly selfish, and arrogant, which with the advancement of technology, and travel, it causes money, and material things, to flow like a raging river, bringing out the selfishness, and arrogance, and self exaltation of people, never seen before in the history of mankind, for they could not pursue it, and have it, like they can today.

Which they will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which they will heap, and heap, money, and material things, with little care, if any for the poor and needy, and nowhere in the history of mankind could they do that like they can today.

Which Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold, for after so long of them trying to get all they can, and businesses that can never have enough money, as they rip and gyp the very people that made them rich, being millionaires, and billionaires, they come to the conclusion that people basically care about themselves with little regard for anybody else, so you do not care about me, then I do not care about you.

And then the attitude is get all you can get, and forget everyone else, and trust no one.

We are in the end time, and Revelation should be preached for it is a warning to the world to get right with God so they are not caught up in going along with the world when they come together.

When the man of sin, New Age Christ, establishes peace in the Middle East, and the Gentile nations come together and say Peace and safety, the countdown will begin as God allows all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom so He can put down the world.

Paul said the saints will not be deceived by that but know it is not the operation of God, and Jesus said He will deliver those in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell on earth, and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
 

rlm68

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You are proving what I said earlier, if Matthew 28:19 is corrupted, WHAT ELSE IS? Yea, hath God saith? Now you are admitting that catholis supposedly added/changed scripture throughout the ENTIRE Bible to fit their agenda.
So now we dont know what verses are true. We need a special guru like you to tell us what is and what isnt.

This is how cults start. Beware.



You are aware that the King James Version Bible is basically 5th language from the original text in both Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek by which translations have been misinterpreted, adjusted, and add ins have become a part of God's Word.

Example: When Isaiah wrote his Book, the Latin language had not been invented yet. And yet, the Latin word "Lucifer" can be found within the original Hebrew that Isaiah would have spoken and written fluently.

In fact, much of our Old Testament is nowhere near the true Hebrew Old Testament. The Isaiah scroll Yeshua read from when He quoted, "No prophet has honor in his own country," when He claims His true identity...is not word for word with the Isaiah we read from.

Cults have no facts, and many times neither do people calling themselves Christian!!
 

rlm68

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I checked one of your supposed sources you gleaned off the internet and established it was taken out of context and totally misapplied - I've no doubt if I checked the other "sauces" I'd find a similar misrepresentation.

Poor research on your part.


I just printed the list.

But, there are Biblical scholars whose name was a type of KJV Bible {like Jimmy Swaggart endorses of his own Bibles), who also make the claim and endorse it.
 

rlm68

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There is no logic in you response to my post about the canon.

You have just one agenda ("Trinity is false") and you are putting it everywhere without a proper context.


I was asked what I believed.

It was after that, another wanted to know how it is/was that I believe as I do. This then led to something else. It was not like I just posted something that is not a fact (concerning how Peter and Paul in what is known as the FIRST CHURCH baptized in the Book of Acts). It's not like I am making it up (we've had our own discussions which even you posted the verses concerning Paul baptizing in Jesus Name from Book of Acts that led to how Paul was baptizing).
 

Angela53510

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First, the book of Enoch should never be preached out of. It is not canonical, and besides, there are quite a few different versions of this book. It is quoted in Jude, but so are other books like the book of the Kings of Israel, and the book of the Kings of Judah, which the Bible not only quotes but suggests them as good books to read.And yet, they are lost in the antiquity of time. Like the Apocrypha, the Book of Enoch can be read as an uninspired book. But, if it comes into conflict with the Bible, you know you should trust the Bible, only.

Our church just did a 7 sermon series on Revelation. I was honoured to deliver one of the sermons. We took the viewpoint of Darrell Johnson in Discipleship on the Edge: An Expository Journey through the book of Revelation. He proposes there are five windows in Revelation, plus a pre-amble. Knowing the background of the book is important. I preached on Window 1 ,which was on "The Son of Man in the Midst of his Churches." I mainly covered Rev. 1:9-20, which is the vision John had of Jesus in the midst of his churches. And that Jesus can be in the midst of our churches today, Jesus is the Amen, the faithful and true witness. Jesus reminds the the church at Laodicea that all of God's creation has its origin and purpose in him.

Then Jesus resurrection is the new beginning of creation. Jesus is the ἀρχὴ or arche, the foundation, the source, the reason, the revelation, the pattern, the goal of creation. That is who Jesus is!

In fact, the book of Revelation, which is Apocalypse means "unveiling." But, it is not so much unveiling details about the future, but about unveiling Jesus to us. In the second window, Jesus is first the Lamb who opened the 7 seals. Then Jesus is the Lion that overcomes. Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, he has overcome so as to be able to open the 7 scrolls, and its 7 seals. Jesus was many other images in the book, because the book is written about Jesus, and unveiling him.

Jesus was also the Lamb who was slain, because like sheep we have all gone astray! (Isa. 53:6) The Lamb goes to the cross because of us, the Lamb goes to the cross for us, and the Lamb goes to the cross instead of us. He who knew no sin became sin for us, and there he stands, the sacrifice, the substitute and the satisfaction for sin, in the centre of the throne.

The whole book of Revelation reveals Jesus. And while there are some definite symbols commonly used in those days, especially numbers, all these modern scenarios which make Revelation about us, and end times, and missing the entire purpose of the last book of the Bible, and that is to glory God in Christ.

"Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.” Revelation 19:1-2

"Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing watersand like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
'Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8 Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.'” Rev. 19:6-8

"Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!” Rev. 5:12-13

Here's a song about what Revelation is about, called "Revelation Song"

 

Angela53510

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Further, to the oneness Pentecostal who was posting all kinds of nonsense, the Trinity is not just about proof text. It is the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit in themselves, also called the immanent Trinity. It is about the outworking of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the economic Trinity, which was active in creation, and in history.

From Origen and Tertullian, through to Augustine in the western church, and in the east, the Cappadocian Fathers; Basil the Great, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus who were essential in defining the difference between God as a being or ousia, and God as three persons, or hypostasis, with both parts making up the Triune God.

Then there was Anselm, Richard of Victor, and in the later medieval period, and finally Thomas Aquinas who wrote much about the Trinity. The Reformation, was a time of brilliant men who were highly educated, and knew the Bible in its original languages, Luther, came up with the Theology of the Cross, while Jean Calvin wrote serious books about theology, including the Trinity.

Arminians certainly agree with the concept of Trinity, the Catholics and Orthodox do, and every orthodox Protestant Church. In fact, the only a few heretics, like Arius and Sadellius early on tried to tear down the doctrine of the Trinity and were utterly defeated. The Oneness Pentecostals have basically gone back to the 2nd century and dug up a thoroughly disproved doctrine, and they are using some flimsy grounds, to say that the words of the baptism formula in Matt 28:19 was changed, and some sources no one has ever heard of as support for this heresy.

I looked through my 4 commentaries on Matthew, including the exegetical Greek one, and there is no mention of this dubious statement that the formula was changed.

Spend some time reading church history and the Bible, and you will find this heresy of a "oneness" god, has absolutely no proof to support it.
 

Hevosmies

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Our church just did a 7 sermon series on Revelation. I was honoured to deliver one of the sermons. We took the viewpoint of Darrell Johnson in Discipleship on the Edge: An Expository Journey through the book of Revelation.
@Angela53510 Is there a way I can contact you? The "start conversation" thing says I gotta pay.
I want to discuss the 1 tim 2:12 and 1 corinthians 14:34-36 passages. I just found something rather interesting on the topic, in the book of Acts 18:26 you have priscilla seemingly breaking this commandment and earlier in corinthians Paul instructs women how to prophecy with their head covered well prophecying involves talking, so thats when i realized i could be misunderstanding, and since you mentioned delivering a sermon I would like to ask you what those verses mean if they dont mean what they say.
 

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I like a good sermon, but many of the churches I have been to seem to stay on a theme year after year. Feels like a endless loop of a season 1 tv series (kind of like Star Trek, but less sci-fi)

Long ago the churches found time to preach about end times and such. I have asked many pastors about this and oddly enough most the replies was "We want to preach to people that God is love." (feel they are worried about some people leaving the church over such a topic)
That is always good, but God is so much more.

With all the information at our finger tips today why is this not preached? We are in the end days for sure (2020's will be highly interesting) so is this not important?

The Book of Enoc is way over looked and when I ask pastors about it, but get some answer that ends with "Well others church can do that, but we need to tell people God is love."

So does anyones church preach on end of days or anything?
I have read the book of Enoch a couple of times, and have noticed several correlations with the book of Revelation.
I think the reason why it was taken out from modern day biblical canon are the numerous descriptions that are even more surreal than those in the book of Revelation.
One example is that of giants 3000 ells in stature (approximately 6,000 feet) who consume all the earth.
Understanding these 6000 foot high giants to be metaphorical, I then realize them as giants of industry whose standing and income is often a thousand times that of a normal individual of about 6 feet.
Another example is that man committing sin against plants, fish, and reptiles.
A literal perspective is that man is having some sort of lewd sexual experience.
As this was implausible to most people, the book of Enoch was then voted out of canon.
Understanding, however, these sins against plants, fish, and reptiles is metaphorical; I then can realize genetic modification of plants, fish, and reptiles fitting this description nicely.
Don't forget the first paragraph in the book of Enoch states the words therein regard the last generation when these actions take place.
 

rlm68

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Further, to the oneness Pentecostal who was posting all kinds of nonsense, the Trinity is not just about proof text. It is the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit in themselves, also called the immanent Trinity. It is about the outworking of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the economic Trinity, which was active in creation, and in history.

From Origen and Tertullian, through to Augustine in the western church, and in the east, the Cappadocian Fathers; Basil the Great, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus who were essential in defining the difference between God as a being or ousia, and God as three persons, or hypostasis, with both parts making up the Triune God.

Then there was Anselm, Richard of Victor, and in the later medieval period, and finally Thomas Aquinas who wrote much about the Trinity. The Reformation, was a time of brilliant men who were highly educated, and knew the Bible in its original languages, Luther, came up with the Theology of the Cross, while Jean Calvin wrote serious books about theology, including the Trinity.

Arminians certainly agree with the concept of Trinity, the Catholics and Orthodox do, and every orthodox Protestant Church. In fact, the only a few heretics, like Arius and Sadellius early on tried to tear down the doctrine of the Trinity and were utterly defeated. The Oneness Pentecostals have basically gone back to the 2nd century and dug up a thoroughly disproved doctrine, and they are using some flimsy grounds, to say that the words of the baptism formula in Matt 28:19 was changed, and some sources no one has ever heard of as support for this heresy.

I looked through my 4 commentaries on Matthew, including the exegetical Greek one, and there is no mention of this dubious statement that the formula was changed.

Spend some time reading church history and the Bible, and you will find this heresy of a "oneness" god, has absolutely no proof to support it.



Trinity (the word itself) does not exist, nor was it ever brought to the attention to the Hebrews as Yahweh (Elohim) and to the Jews as Christ representing God to His people. And Christ in the Burning Bush (before the world knew Him as Christ) told Moses the same as He told the Pharisees in the Book of John (I AM)...meaning He was God in the Burning Bush and if we dig deeper (He could also be claiming He was
Melchizedek
King
Melchizedek, Melkisetek, or Malki Tzedek, was the king of Salem and priest of El Elyon mentioned in the 14th chapter of the Book of Genesis. He brings out bread and wine and blesses Abram and El Elyon. (this is communion before the Upper Room Communion).

Christ is the absolute fullness of God!!

But, I do believe in a triune God. I see the ONE TRUE GOD, Yahweh (Elohim), as the Highest Spirit Form of our God which allows Him to Omnipresent (as Creator of ALL, we know He is Omniscient). I see His spoken WORD as an extension of Himself as Yeshua (means Yahweh's Salvation). In John, Yeshua claims, "the things you see Me do (miracles, forgive sins, things no human can rationally explain) ARE NOT ME DOING THEM, BUT (how I view it in a ONE God with triune manifestations) YAHWEH LIVING INSIDE ME IS DOING THESE THINGS (Yahweh speaks and HIS WORD = (Yeshua) is doing as Yahweh speaks it into existence (miracles and the unexplained).

From here, Christ claims when you SEE ME, you SEE Yahweh (the Father who speaks and I am His spoken WORD following what is said) and vice versa.

As the Messiah = or the Christ : we know Yeshua embodies both Yahweh and His personal Spirit (which is the Holy Spirit)

Example of Yahweh speaking about His Spirit: Genesis 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This is also another example of us knowing Christ is LORD and so is Yahweh in the Book of Genesis. Both NAMES Yahweh and Yeshua are known to both the Hebrews and Jews as LORD!!

So no crap about God is ONE GOD and Yeshua is the ONE LORD.

Genesis is a clear example that Yahweh is also called LORD just as the SPOKEN WORD of Yahweh was called LORD. And Genesis is clear that Yeshua as Melchizedek performed the Communion to Abraham (like the UPPER ROOM)(I believe Abraham was shown what was going to happen, and as the FATHER of our beliefs, was given Communion like we now honor what Communion means).

I believe God is God, that means I believe He is ONE DEITY SPIRIT that manifests Himself in triune ways because as God He can do anything He wants and Desires!! His Spirit, our Holy Spirit, that dwells within us is what personally connects us to our Father God. It's His personal Spirit that dwelt with those in the Old Testament before being taught about by the WORD how it will also dwell with us.

Read Psalms and see how David gives us such an insight to how God lives and dwell within us. He gives us detail how God did not want burnt offerings and sacrifices but for David to go to Him like we do now through God's Spirit, our Holy Spirit. No one listened to David obviously since they continued Moses' tradition and the LAW. But the Spoken WORD of Yahweh, Yeshua, gives an even clearer insight to what the Holy Spirit is and how we are connected to Him (God) always.

He even explains as children of our Heavenly Father God, because we are full of His Spirit, we can go BOLDLY to the Throne of God!!

This is a simple surmise, "of tying the Old and New Testaments," by the examples we know of Yeshua throughout the ENTIRE BIBLE!!
 

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I have read the book of Enoch a couple of times, and have noticed several correlations with the book of Revelation.
I think the reason why it was taken out from modern day biblical canon are the numerous descriptions that are even more surreal than those in the book of Revelation.
One example is that of giants 3000 ells in stature (approximately 6,000 feet) who consume all the earth.
Understanding these 6000 foot high giants to be metaphorical, I then realize them as giants of industry whose standing and income is often a thousand times that of a normal individual of about 6 feet.
Another example is that man committing sin against plants, fish, and reptiles.
A literal perspective is that man is having some sort of lewd sexual experience.
As this was implausible to most people, the book of Enoch was then voted out of canon.
Understanding, however, these sins against plants, fish, and reptiles is metaphorical; I then can realize genetic modification of plants, fish, and reptiles fitting this description nicely.
Don't forget the first paragraph in the book of Enoch states the words therein regard the last generation when these actions take place.
Steve has done beyond extensive research on giants - http://www.genesis6giants.com/
 

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The Book of Enoc is way over looked and when I ask pastors about it, but get some answer that ends with "Well others church can do that, but we need to tell people God is love."


The Book of Enoc is way over looked and when I ask pastors about it, but get some answer that ends with "Well others church can do that, but we need to tell people God is love."

I'm sure someone else has brought this up, I have not read other post.... But the book of Enoch is not SCRIPTURE!?!
 

iamsoandso

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I'm sure someone else has brought this up, I have not read other post.... But the book of Enoch is not SCRIPTURE!?!
I'm sure someone else has brought this up, I have not read other post.... But the book of Enoch is not SCRIPTURE!?!

But according to who? We can agree it is argued that it is not accepted from about ad400 but from the letters of the Apostolic fathers,,Church fathers and Josephus who is not even Christian speaking of angels,giants ect as if everyone in the first second and third centuries saw Hanoch as valid do we believe them or the men four hundred years later?
 

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But according to who? We can agree it is argued that it is not accepted from about ad400 but from the letters of the Apostolic fathers,,Church fathers and Josephus who is not even Christian speaking of angels,giants ect as if everyone in the first second and third centuries saw Hanoch as valid do we believe them or the men four hundred years later?
The Old Testament was Canonized before the New Testament, before Messiah... So the book of Enoch just does not make since… If you hold to the Writings were not Canonized until 100 AD.... Well that is still 100 AD.

I will give you there were a lot of Hellenistic writers that were just that, but NOT G-D BREATHED.... IN SPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!
 

iamsoandso

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The Old Testament was Canonized before the New Testament, before Messiah... So the book of Enoch just does not make since… If you hold to the Writings were not Canonized until 100 AD.... Well that is still 100 AD.

I will give you there were a lot of Hellenistic writers that were just that, but NOT G-D BREATHED.... IN SPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!

When is it you are referring to that the Old Testament was Canonized? Some historical type reference to it's Canonization?
 

memyselfi

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When is it you are referring to that the Old Testament was Canonized? Some historical type reference to it's Canonization?
Well, Messiah... If you believe in Moses also believe in Me... The Septuagint... What are yours for the book of Enoch?
 

iamsoandso

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Well, Messiah... If you believe in Moses also believe in Me... The Septuagint... What are yours for the book of Enoch?

lol, Matthew 11:13,,, Hanoch was written before the point in time Jesus spoke of...
 

memyselfi

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lol, Matthew 11:13,,, Hanoch was written before the point in time Jesus spoke of...
Well, since that book is not in the Bible, I do not know what that is. But let me say this in Luke 10 Messiah went down to celebrate the festival of lights, but what ever inferior book that is that has Hanukkah in it is still not canonized. Now is the story of Hanukkah true? Absolutely! But every lie has a portion of truth. I'M SUPRISED YOU DID NOT SAY JUDE VERSE 14-15. That would have been a great argument for you, I would be on the defense. But I just proved my point, a lie has to have a bit of truth and there is real historical content but does not mean it meant the standard for canonization?

Why do you think the book of Enoch or this other silly book you referenced is not canonized?
 

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Well, since that book is not in the Bible, I do not know what that is. But let me say this in Luke 10 Messiah went down to celebrate the festival of lights, but what ever inferior book that is that has Hanukkah in it is still not canonized. Now is the story of Hanukkah true? Absolutely! But every lie has a portion of truth. I'M SUPRISED YOU DID NOT SAY JUDE VERSE 14-15. That would have been a great argument for you, I would be on the defense. But I just proved my point, a lie has to have a bit of truth and there is real historical content but does not mean it meant the standard for canonization?

Why do you think the book of Enoch or this other silly book you referenced is not canonized?

lol, You gave the proof of the one as "Septuagint" and then quoted from Luke why do you say things are Canonized and then add to it?
 

luigi

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It's a really great book; describing how man in the end times destroys the earth due to his carnal inclinations.
You just have to understand what the numerous surreal metaphors actually represent.