Self indulging nature (sin)

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Blain

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I realize everyone is probably tired of yet another thread on sin believe me I get it but I think it needs to be talked about the correct way, now before you get any ideas no this is not about being sinless or perfect this is not about osas or if you can lose salvation it is about sin itself and the believer. I am making this thread to help the church not to put it down no judging no looking down with my arrogance and my condemnation.

So to begin we all know what sin is it is the act of defying God's will it is mans nature as Christians we are told in scripture and warned not to do this but it isn't just because it is against God's will it is because it is bad for us spiritually. Sin works like a poison a very slow poison it creeps on us and seeps slowly like alcohol you don't feel the effect of it at first but after a while it hits you hard. Sin also does another thing it brings out our second nature our self induging nature often times this is when we begin to lose that connection we normally have with God and begin to get back into the ways of the world. We have to understand that we are in a spiritual battle constantly we will always be in war against the forces of spiritual warfare sin is merely one of the tools used to bring us to the dark side for you star wars fans.

However before continuing on It is important to note that I mentioned our second nature this because our flesh our sinfulness is just that our second nature we are first and foremost beloved children of God precious and loved meyond measure, to him you are without sin already you may battle with sin you may struggle with it but you are not sin you are his your identety is not sin it is his child. Jesus himself knew fear when he was praying alone before he had to and fulfil his duty but his identity was not fear he had a moment of weakness but he chose to be strong. We are the same we have weakness we just have to choose to be strong having weakness in itself is not being weak only accepting that weakness is.

Sin is a strong opponent it can be sneaky it can be obvious yet forceful it can be so overwhelming with temptation that sometimes we just cannot beat it on our own it can even come in the form of innocence at times seeming like no big deal, we who are children of God must battle with it not because we are not but specifically because we are his, if we were not his we would bend to sin we would sin as we please and would love it it would be easy for us like breathing, but because we are his we have to battle against it we have it to deal with it we have to put on the armor of God and help each other in the battle because every warrior as strong as they may be can only be so strong on their own.

Yes we have the holy spirit as our helper but you see he works as a body not as a limb he works as an army not as a soldier it isn't enough to simply have the holy spirit we need to have our brothers and sisters in Christ why do you think our prayers are far more powerful when two or three are gathered together? When one solder falls there two or three to uphold them, when the enemy who is the author of sin attacks two or more are there help defend against him. Sin is a poison that is very real it is an enemy we all face and if we confess our sins he is quick to forgive but how do we fight against sin if we are fighting each other?

As you all have seen there have been ridiculous arguments as of late dividing and pitting everyone against each other when the enemy was there all along and no one knew it. I saw how divided everyone was and I was no exception instead of debating these doctrines that divide I found it more profitable to talk about sin itself. To discuss how to best fight it and avoid it, everyone knows how but yet I felt God telling me to make a thread on it anyways maybe it was just for one person i don't know. But we must remain firm in the scriptures in constant prayer ready to fight against all the wiles of the devil because sin is indeed a strong foe and it is sneaky it can sneak into your house and lay it's eggs under your carpet in your bed sheet in your couch and soon enough you have bed bugs you cannot get rid of.

For instance there is a particular sin I struggle with and I let it in only a little at first and then a little more then soon enough I went through a season where I couldn't stop then that sin lead to another sin that I had a very hard time stopping then that one lead to another and it was hard to get back on the right track very hard. I was in spiritual warfare for a while I had to deal with a whole mess of things and I am still not out of it either it has just lessened I do not do the sins anymore but the wounds from them are still open.

We who are spiritual warriors especially know how sin can affect a believer, those sensative to the spirit are also sensative to the all things of the spirit even the bad things so yes I know first hand how sin can be a poison how it can infect a believer but the scriptures as much as they speak on sin also speak on his grace and his love and these two things are the antivenom to sin when your heart is set on his love and his heart sin really isn't even on your radar yes you fail at times but like when you are focused on anything your pretty much oblivious to it those who focus on love who live in love those who know and cherish the kind of bond and intimacy one can have with the father naturally sin less than the average believer

This is because God instilled a genetic code into our spiritual being like that of a lamb a lamb is innocent and playful with the shepherd and did you know a lamb is immune to the venom of a serpents bite? Interesting isn't it? The love we have with God as his beloved children makes us like a lamb innocent and endearing with him and makes us immune to sins poisonous sting it odesn't affect us it has no power over us. But we also must be aware that we are also called to be warriors some of you who are already warriors know what I speak of, to have to rage war against the forces of the devil to have to deal with the things that truly require the armor of God not just a metaphor of scripture.

To be honest I am not sure how helpful this thread will be but I just wanted to give my thoughts on the matter and hopefully God will take it from here.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#2
Excellent food to eat in this thread !!

one thing I would add is that sins consequences are made manifest in that it creates a divide between man and God


“But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths:

whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace. Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.

We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men. We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us. For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:2-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we should learn from what happened to those who disregarded the law in that as your saying sin enters and then begins poisoning the heart and mind creating iniquitous paths that we make our own . It hardens our hearts against the way of truth and righteousness blinding us to even the possibility of becoming healed from the hardness and sinfulness in us

it’s effects ultimately Will seperate us from our own love for God , not from his love for us , but our love towards and for him is corrupted by the hardness of sin upon our heart and it’s transforming effects turning us blind and unable tonhesr the righteousness and truth that’s meant to change us from the sinner who identifies in sin and allows sin to be present and acceptable

the more it becomes unacceptable in our own doings and life not others but our own , the more our ears are becoming unstopped and made able to hear but all the while our Hope and trust is in the one who can save us and turn us into the righteousness of God

really enjoyed the post and thought you presented it very well thanks for taking the time to share
 

Blain

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#3
Excellent food to eat in this thread !!

one thing I would add is that sins consequences are made manifest in that it creates a divide between man and God


“But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths:

whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace. Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.

We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men. We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us. For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:2-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we should learn from what happened to those who disregarded the law in that as your saying sin enters and then begins poisoning the heart and mind creating iniquitous paths that we make our own . It hardens our hearts against the way of truth and righteousness blinding us to even the possibility of becoming healed from the hardness and sinfulness in us

it’s effects ultimately Will seperate us from our own love for God , not from his love for us , but our love towards and for him is corrupted by the hardness of sin upon our heart and it’s transforming effects turning us blind and unable tonhesr the righteousness and truth that’s meant to change us from the sinner who identifies in sin and allows sin to be present and acceptable

the more it becomes unacceptable in our own doings and life not others but our own , the more our ears are becoming unstopped and made able to hear but all the while our Hope and trust is in the one who can save us and turn us into the righteousness of God

really enjoyed the post and thought you presented it very well thanks for taking the time to share
I'm glad you approve hopefully others will as well I understand that people are tired of hearing about sin but I wanted to make a thread that was both edifying and encouraging. I can attest that sin can create a division between man and God, like I said there was a certain sin that I gave lean to and as it lead to other sins it made it more and more difficult to find God that connection was more difficult to find granted I was never really without it but was not the same as when I was always in the spirit with him.

I just worry that perhaps people are to burnt out to really take any of this in but I suppose if it was God lead then I did what I was suppose to do I just hope it wasn't in vain
 

Gideon300

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I realize everyone is probably tired of yet another thread on sin believe me I get it but I think it needs to be talked about the correct way, now before you get any ideas no this is not about being sinless or perfect this is not about osas or if you can lose salvation it is about sin itself and the believer. I am making this thread to help the church not to put it down no judging no looking down with my arrogance and my condemnation.

So to begin we all know what sin is it is the act of defying God's will it is mans nature as Christians we are told in scripture and warned not to do this but it isn't just because it is against God's will it is because it is bad for us spiritually. Sin works like a poison a very slow poison it creeps on us and seeps slowly like alcohol you don't feel the effect of it at first but after a while it hits you hard. Sin also does another thing it brings out our second nature our self induging nature often times this is when we begin to lose that connection we normally have with God and begin to get back into the ways of the world. We have to understand that we are in a spiritual battle constantly we will always be in war against the forces of spiritual warfare sin is merely one of the tools used to bring us to the dark side for you star wars fans.

However before continuing on It is important to note that I mentioned our second nature this because our flesh our sinfulness is just that our second nature we are first and foremost beloved children of God precious and loved meyond measure, to him you are without sin already you may battle with sin you may struggle with it but you are not sin you are his your identety is not sin it is his child. Jesus himself knew fear when he was praying alone before he had to and fulfil his duty but his identity was not fear he had a moment of weakness but he chose to be strong. We are the same we have weakness we just have to choose to be strong having weakness in itself is not being weak only accepting that weakness is.

Sin is a strong opponent it can be sneaky it can be obvious yet forceful it can be so overwhelming with temptation that sometimes we just cannot beat it on our own it can even come in the form of innocence at times seeming like no big deal, we who are children of God must battle with it not because we are not but specifically because we are his, if we were not his we would bend to sin we would sin as we please and would love it it would be easy for us like breathing, but because we are his we have to battle against it we have it to deal with it we have to put on the armor of God and help each other in the battle because every warrior as strong as they may be can only be so strong on their own.

Yes we have the holy spirit as our helper but you see he works as a body not as a limb he works as an army not as a soldier it isn't enough to simply have the holy spirit we need to have our brothers and sisters in Christ why do you think our prayers are far more powerful when two or three are gathered together? When one solder falls there two or three to uphold them, when the enemy who is the author of sin attacks two or more are there help defend against him. Sin is a poison that is very real it is an enemy we all face and if we confess our sins he is quick to forgive but how do we fight against sin if we are fighting each other?

As you all have seen there have been ridiculous arguments as of late dividing and pitting everyone against each other when the enemy was there all along and no one knew it. I saw how divided everyone was and I was no exception instead of debating these doctrines that divide I found it more profitable to talk about sin itself. To discuss how to best fight it and avoid it, everyone knows how but yet I felt God telling me to make a thread on it anyways maybe it was just for one person i don't know. But we must remain firm in the scriptures in constant prayer ready to fight against all the wiles of the devil because sin is indeed a strong foe and it is sneaky it can sneak into your house and lay it's eggs under your carpet in your bed sheet in your couch and soon enough you have bed bugs you cannot get rid of.

For instance there is a particular sin I struggle with and I let it in only a little at first and then a little more then soon enough I went through a season where I couldn't stop then that sin lead to another sin that I had a very hard time stopping then that one lead to another and it was hard to get back on the right track very hard. I was in spiritual warfare for a while I had to deal with a whole mess of things and I am still not out of it either it has just lessened I do not do the sins anymore but the wounds from them are still open.

We who are spiritual warriors especially know how sin can affect a believer, those sensative to the spirit are also sensative to the all things of the spirit even the bad things so yes I know first hand how sin can be a poison how it can infect a believer but the scriptures as much as they speak on sin also speak on his grace and his love and these two things are the antivenom to sin when your heart is set on his love and his heart sin really isn't even on your radar yes you fail at times but like when you are focused on anything your pretty much oblivious to it those who focus on love who live in love those who know and cherish the kind of bond and intimacy one can have with the father naturally sin less than the average believer

This is because God instilled a genetic code into our spiritual being like that of a lamb a lamb is innocent and playful with the shepherd and did you know a lamb is immune to the venom of a serpents bite? Interesting isn't it? The love we have with God as his beloved children makes us like a lamb innocent and endearing with him and makes us immune to sins poisonous sting it odesn't affect us it has no power over us. But we also must be aware that we are also called to be warriors some of you who are already warriors know what I speak of, to have to rage war against the forces of the devil to have to deal with the things that truly require the armor of God not just a metaphor of scripture.

To be honest I am not sure how helpful this thread will be but I just wanted to give my thoughts on the matter and hopefully God will take it from here.
It would help if you used more punctuation more. However, I agree with what you are saying. God hates sin. It's not only because it offends His Holy nature, but because of the terrible and destructive effect it has on people.
 

Blain

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It would help if you used more punctuation more. However, I agree with what you are saying. God hates sin. It's not only because it offends His Holy nature, but because of the terrible and destructive effect it has on people.
Ah yes sorry about that.
 

Nehemiah6

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I realize everyone is probably tired of yet another thread on sin...
You got that right. I trust the administrators will set up a separate section called "Obsession with Sin" or "Obsessing about Sin" and all these threads will be collected together to form a cesspool.
 

Blain

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You got that right. I trust the administrators will set up a separate section called "Obsession with Sin" or "Obsessing about Sin" and all these threads will be collected together to form a cesspool.
well hopefully mine was at least bearable for you sinners:p
 

Lafftur

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This is how I see sin….

Sin cannot take a true believer in Christ captive. Christ has delivered us from the “power” of sin to rule over us.

If we choose to sin, we have walked into a prison cell, into bondage where we think, say and do things that hurt God, hurt others and hurt ourselves.

The prison cell door is shut but NEVER LOCKED. We can repent, receive forgiveness and walk out of sin’s prison cell whenever we want to. The enemy lies and tells us we’ll NEVER be free from that sin but the devil is a liar - the prison cell door is NEVER LOCKED!

Know this, while in sin’s prison cell we cause damage to all our relationships. When we walk out, we will need to seek to reconcile, heal and restore our relationships - with God, others and ourselves.

But, know this….Know The Truth! Jesus Christ has set us FREE! Jesus Christ has given us power and authority over sin!

We can choose NOT to walk into sin’s prison cell. We can choose NOT to hurt God, others or ourselves because we love God, others and ourselves!

May each of us in the Body of Christ walk in wisdom and love and obedience to God’s Will so that God’s Joy and our joy will be FULL and OVERFLOW, amen! :love:(y)
 

Pilgrimshope

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#10
I'm glad you approve hopefully others will as well I understand that people are tired of hearing about sin but I wanted to make a thread that was both edifying and encouraging. I can attest that sin can create a division between man and God, like I said there was a certain sin that I gave lean to and as it lead to other sins it made it more and more difficult to find God that connection was more difficult to find granted I was never really without it but was not the same as when I was always in the spirit with him.

I just worry that perhaps people are to burnt out to really take any of this in but I suppose if it was God lead then I did what I was suppose to do I just hope it wasn't in vain
those fears of speaking about sin aren’t from God brother. The Bible speaks of it for a reason Christians of course should be focused on Christ and the atonement but part of the true doctrine involves us coming to an understanding about sin . Like you have presented it here

we should never be looking at or attacking or disqualifying “sinners “ but at the same time we have to always speak the truth of sin first to our own selves and when we have gathered good understanding of it’s poisonous and destructive nature then we need to also share that with others

again we can never take our eyes off Christ and the true hope and mercy and salvstion in him for each and every single believer who truly believes in him. But we can never stop speaking the truth pertaining to sin.

I really like how your heart is always for the people nd think you’ve written an edifying post that others should simply take in and consider. Consider where it’s coming from , what it’s saying and the intent behind it

that fear is not from the lord though it’s just part of the doctrine that saves us to understand sin is our enemy and is still working to put us to death and drag us away from our lord and savior

once we realize what sin is and who’s Will it is for us then once that understand ding sinks in and turns oir Will fully against it we then don’t need to harp on it but many more Christians don’t really understand the devils work against us and more speak of sin as if it’s irrelevant now which is just just the wrong mindset to have as we realize sins power to corrupt us we will because we belong to God be brought out of it

we may still make mistakes but it’s part of salvstion to understand it’s a serious matter what we actually do with what we have been given and that we don’t serve the devils will in our lives

when we’ve fallen short we have repentance and forgiveness complete cleansing from sin but always we need to be aware of it’s poison Tom our relationship with God who is holy and destroys sin which approaches him.

I really think this is an edifying and good and appropriate post I hope others find some value on it also
 

Pilgrimshope

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This is how I see sin….

Sin cannot take a true believer in Christ captive. Christ has delivered us from the “power” of sin to rule over us.

If we choose to sin, we have walked into a prison cell, into bondage where we think, say and do things that hurt God, hurt others and hurt ourselves.

The prison cell door is shut but NEVER LOCKED. We can repent, receive forgiveness and walk out of sin’s prison cell whenever we want to. The enemy lies and tells us we’ll NEVER be free from that sin but the devil is a liar - the prison cell door is NEVER LOCKED!

Know this, while in sin’s prison cell we cause damage to all our relationships. When we walk out, we will need to seek to reconcile, heal and restore our relationships - with God, others and ourselves.

But, know this….Know The Truth! Jesus Christ has set us FREE! Jesus Christ has given us power and authority over sin!

We can choose NOT to walk into sin’s prison cell. We can choose NOT to hurt God, others or ourselves because we love God, others and ourselves!

May each of us in the Body of Christ walk in wisdom and love and obedience to God’s Will so that God’s Joy and our joy will be FULL and OVERFLOW, amen! :love:(y)
amen !! it’s not impossible to do what we know is the right thing if we have received the spirit of Christ. Or stop doing what we know is wrong, it’s actually impossible not to change from bound sinners to free men and women if we receive the spirit.
 

Blik

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I realize everyone is probably tired of yet another thread on sin believe me I get it but I think it needs to be talked about the correct way, now before you get any ideas no this is not about being sinless or perfect this is not about osas or if you can lose salvation it is about sin itself and the believer. I am making this thread to help the church not to put it down no judging no looking down with my arrogance and my condemnation. .
Thanks, Blain this gives us much to think about.

Christ made it very simple for us, we need only follow Him. Christ told us how to handle our sinful nature, Christ said to repent and he will forgive--wipe us clean.

When we give our will to Christ and live our life wanting to be sin free as repentance is for us, we take all the steps God suggests to help us do this

When we accept with absolute faith that Christ has done this for us. we are free of any guilt, free to live in joyous union with the Lord.
 

studentoftheword

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So to begin we all know what sin is it is the act of defying God's will

I really don't think that sin is defying God Will ------to Sin is to break God's laws ------where there is no law there is no sin committed -----according to Scripture ---the laws that were given by God were not God's will --He put laws in place to show people their sins and to hopefully know that they needed a Saviour to release them from their sins of lawlessness -----

Romans 4:15
Amplified Bible
For the Law results in [God’s] wrath [against sin], but where there is no law, there is no violation [of it either].

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin.

Romans 5:13
For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.


God"s Will is for all people to be saved ---but it is not a Law for you to keep --you have a choice to accept God's will for you TO BE Saved ---- ---but if your reject God's will to be saved your not committing a sin ----your are rejecting what God's will has made available --

It is God's will for you to be blessed ---not cursed ---it is God's will for you to pray for and trust His Promises will bestowed in your life ---but you have a choice to want His Promised to be in you life or not ---there is no sin in that --

Just think it is good to clarify this -----:)
 
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pottersclay

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How I look at sin.

Murder, adultery, lust, envy, pride, rape, false witness, covet, gossip, discord, fornication, stealing, lieing,
Cheating, cursing, idol worshipping, lawlessness, strife, just to name a few.

And they both ate from the forbidden tree.
The Lord knows the end from the beginning.😏😏
 

JayDee

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Hi, I got into Watchman Nee for quite a few years. I have since learned recently from a sister in the Lord that there are some flaws in his doctrine. How he divides the human being up into three parts. I have to say that it has really confused me all these years in trying to "reckon myself dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus". I thought it was my fault that I couldn't but now it seems that I couldn't because dividing myself up isn't right. Can someone explain to me how to put myself back together so to speak? If that makes sense?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Hi, I got into Watchman Nee for quite a few years. I have since learned recently from a sister in the Lord that there are some flaws in his doctrine. How he divides the human being up into three parts. I have to say that it has really confused me all these years in trying to "reckon myself dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus". I thought it was my fault that I couldn't but now it seems that I couldn't because dividing myself up isn't right. Can someone explain to me how to put myself back together so to speak? If that makes sense?
let Jesus heal you and make you whole

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And continue in it hearing and accepting what he’s saying in the gospel let it be true to you because your lord and savior said it

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, …. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭

we have to let Jesus do it the way he said he would when he spoke life from the dead comes from believing Jesus and his word

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the more we allow his word to be true he’s able to transform us inside out and set us up straight giving us strong walking legs he’s able to create us in his image from faith to faith as we learn and grow and from glory to glory as we persevere in belief reslly study and believe what Jesus himself said of you and faith will do the rest including change those actions that have us bound to the old Man

we have our faith in Jesus because we know he’s able to do what he said for us but we also know we ourselves were incapable before we came to this truth and faith

He came for us broken ones who realize it to heal us and put us back together properly

“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:31‬ ‭

can’t heal someone who doesn’t know they are broken but faith in Christ is able. By the power of his word and our trust
 

Blain

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Hi, I got into Watchman Nee for quite a few years. I have since learned recently from a sister in the Lord that there are some flaws in his doctrine. How he divides the human being up into three parts. I have to say that it has really confused me all these years in trying to "reckon myself dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus". I thought it was my fault that I couldn't but now it seems that I couldn't because dividing myself up isn't right. Can someone explain to me how to put myself back together so to speak? If that makes sense?
My dear friend you shouldn't divide yourself at all you are whole anperfect in Christ. See you are dead to sin not because of anything you yourself did or do but because of the perfect sacrifice Christ was you are made sinless and perfect in Christ even in your failings because of the perfect sacrifice that Christ made it has nothing to do with your own efforts nothiing you do or by any means or efforts will ever change your standing with God. The purpose of this thread was to educate how sin can affect the believer personally but in no way can it effect their standing of salvation or how God sees them.

Now as to how dividing goes with it I have never heard of combing the dividing of person with the doctrine of not sinning assuming that was what you were speaking of but if I had to make an explanation on the spot I would say it again goes back to the perfection of Jesus. We are made in his image mind body and spirit we as humans have all three of these just as God is three fold mind body and spirit Jesus is the embodiment of God the father the God head made flesh if sin is in the flesh then if the perfect flesh died and became sin for us then again he proved to be the perfect sacrifice not just by being sinless but by being the perfect fleshly vessel to take sin to the grave so that we would not have to bear the wieght of having to deal with it by our own efforts.

So by his works it doesn't matter that we have mind body and spirit it isn't about us it is about him it is about his perfection it is about his efforts not ours it is his burden to carry not ours we can do our best to not sumble but we don't have to strain ourselves we can just rest in his love and grace the more you try to divide yourself the more confused you will become
 

JayDee

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Blain, would you be willing to speak with me privately?