Separation from loved ones when you are saved

[charisenexcelcis]

Where in the Bible does it say that there is no fellowship with one another in Hell?

For one thing, the "geometry". In a bottomless pit, no matter how many people you put in it they are mathematically an infinite distance from one another. Psalms 88 also portrays the pit as a place of lonliness, being forsaken, particularly the last verse, which reminded me greatly of your post: "You have removed lover and friend far from me; my acquantances are in darkness." The Psalmist is comparing his loneliness to that of Sheol.

 

[Ricke]

David
Good reply!..

 

[Consumed]

Where in the Bible does it say that there is no fellowship with one another in Hell?

hmmm,flames,nothing to quench your thirst, i dont think fellowsip would be on the agenda, no one there to help, all in the same pit, bible paints a picture of hell as a place we dont want nor need end up at

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Where in the Bible does it say that there is no fellowship with one another in Hell?

from what I gathered you just burn up and then dead and nothing. because if hell was eternal that would mean we had eternal life in hell, where I'm lead to believe that the only way to have eternal life is through Christ.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

from what I gathered you just burn up and then dead and nothing. because if hell was eternal that would mean we had eternal life in hell, where I'm lead to believe that the only way to have eternal life is through Christ.

Life is a state of being, not a merely existance.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

But if hell is an awful horrible place, how are you not living if you are feeling the pain and suffering? If it was merely a state of existence you wouldn't be experiencing it. You'd just be there.

 

[Traderjane]

I have searched and read and I cannot find any referance either to a bottomless pit or any statement that there is lack of fellowship. I understand that the rightous will be seperated from the wicked, that there will be wailing and gnashing of teech and an unquenchable flame. If the wicked are utterly destroyed and do not suffer eternal torment then I don't understand the story of the rich man and Lazerus. Lazerus does not seem to be falling in a bottomless pit or utterly destroyed.

I'm not saying Hell is a nice place or someone that I would like to be only that I can't find any mention in the text of bottomlessness or lack of fellowship. As for the referance to Psalm 88, there, the psalmist seems to be describing his subjective experience and not literally describing Hell at all.

-Jane

 

[charisenexcelcis]

But if hell is an awful horrible place, how are you not living if you are feeling the pain and suffering? If it was merely a state of existence you wouldn't be experiencing it. You'd just be there.

Good point. Differing use of vocabulary.
Existing is not living. There are those who believe that what you described is exactly what happens. So Jesus said, I have come to give life. When He said that, He spoke to the "living". But they were spiritually dead.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I have searched and read and I cannot find any referance either to a bottomless pit or any statement that there is lack of fellowship. I understand that the rightous will be seperated from the wicked, that there will be wailing and gnashing of teech and an unquenchable flame. If the wicked are utterly destroyed and do not suffer eternal torment then I don't understand the story of the rich man and Lazerus. Lazerus does not seem to be falling in a bottomless pit or utterly destroyed.

I'm not saying Hell is a nice place or someone that I would like to be only that I can't find any mention in the text of bottomlessness or lack of fellowship. As for the referance to Psalm 88, there, the psalmist seems to be describing his subjective experience and not literally describing Hell at all.

-Jane

The bottomless pit is mentioned in Revelation. Psalms 88 specifically mentions Sheol and the grave, which the psalmist is comparing to his specific subjective experience. I do not believe that anyone will be annihilated, though there are Christians who do.
My point is that God is merciful and just. He will do all that can be done to draw your loved ones to Him. You will have to trust Him for that.

 

[Traderjane]

You are right. The bottomless pit is mentioned in Revelations but that is not the same as Hell or the Lake of fire. It is a place where demons and other creatures such as locusts are confined. Hell for wicked spirits is somewhere else. I believe itis supposed to be a physical place as a bottomless pit could never be.

On the other hand, if God's intent is to punish nonbelievers to the greatest extent possible, it makes sense that the residents of Hell would not be permited to comfort each other. I'm only saying that the scripture itself does not say this. I'm skeptical of reading into the language becuase opening that door opens so many other options as well.

 

[zone]

I have searched and read and I cannot find any referance either to a bottomless pit or any statement that there is lack of fellowship. I understand that the rightous will be seperated from the wicked, that there will be wailing and gnashing of teech and an unquenchable flame. If the wicked are utterly destroyed and do not suffer eternal torment then I don't understand the story of the rich man and Lazerus. Lazerus does not seem to be falling in a bottomless pit or utterly destroyed.

I'm not saying Hell is a nice place or someone that I would like to be only that I can't find any mention in the text of bottomlessness or lack of fellowship. As for the referance to Psalm 88, there, the psalmist seems to be describing his subjective experience and not literally describing Hell at all.

-Jane

Jane

Jude describes the angels that left their place of authority as being held in chains of darkness UNTIL the Day of Judgment.

the place in what is likely more of a parable than literal (though we're not sure) where Abraham and Lazarus (Luke 16) are separated from the man by an unpassable gulf is not the final destination.

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

stay with us Jane
love zone.

 

[resurrection33]

Resurrection 33

" I beleive we will be with our loved ones in the next life"
How So? Explain...

I think when we die we all pass on to the resurrection, where we will spend the rest of eternity.

Heaven is a state of mind, and the resurrection is a place, I believe.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

You are right. The bottomless pit is mentioned in Revelations but that is not the same as Hell or the Lake of fire. It is a place where demons and other creatures such as locusts are confined. Hell for wicked spirits is somewhere else. I believe itis supposed to be a physical place as a bottomless pit could never be.

On the other hand, if God's intent is to punish nonbelievers to the greatest extent possible, it makes sense that the residents of Hell would not be permited to comfort each other. I'm only saying that the scripture itself does not say this. I'm skeptical of reading into the language becuase opening that door opens so many other options as well.

I quite understanding. It is not essential. What is essential regarding this issue is to trust God's love to reach out to those whom you love.

 

[Ricke]

No, here in reality is what is going to happen;

The Saints of God, those who kept his Word, were biblically converted, will live with Jesus Forever. When they die, presently they go to a place Jesus called "Paradise" to the thief on the Cross. Also Another term used in The Scriptures is "Abraham's Bosom" where Lazarus the begger went when he died.

All sinners who die lost, un-converted Unbelievers, etc go into Hell. Everyone stays in Their respective places until The Judgement Day. The Saints do not stand in the The Great White Throne Judgement . Read Psalms 1 v 5+6. At the Great White Throne Judgement ( Revelation 20 v 11-15). A ll in this Judgement are condemned and are thrown into The Lake Of Fire.

All The Saints of God, go to Gods Special City called "New Jerusalem" ( Revelation 21 v 1-27),

Those in The Lake of Fire will never get-out, but it is their Souls in this Horrible Place. There won't. E any Flesh to burn up. Just your soul in torment forever. In The story Jesus told about The Rich Man in Hell, the main could feel the horrid heat, he was thirsty, could feel all the Pain. Jesus tells us this story as a Warning to us...Luke ...Luke 16 verses 19-31.....

 

[JesusIsComingReadyOrNot]

Hello Traderjane, you need to turn your life over to Christ ASAP (As Soon As Possible). Jesus Christ is coming very soon.

Let me list some things about various topics.

Hell

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. -Jesus Christ

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. -Jesus Christ

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal ****ation: -Jesus Christ

Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Amos 9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down: NOTE: So could hell be beneath the earth?

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. -Jesus Christ

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. -Jesus Christ

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Eternal Life

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. -Jesus Christ

John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. -Jesus Christ

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. -Jesus Christ

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Revelation 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Revelation 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Revelation 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

Revelation 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

Revelation 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

Revelation 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

Revelation 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Revelation 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Salvation

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. -Jesus Christ

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -Jesus Christ

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. -Jesus Christ

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -Jesus Christ

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be ****ed. -Jesus Christ

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

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[Jullianna]

I want to thank you all for your thoughtful posts. This is truly a warm and welcomming community and there is a lot to think about. For me, the question is not whether I can be saved without Christ. Truthfully, if I there is a way to be saved without Christ that would make it easier for me to come to Christianity and not harder. I would know that those I love and those who died before me could find their own way to the Kingdome of God. The pain for me is in the possibility that there is no other way. I don't doubt that God can ease my pain in the afterlife somehow. But that is not my concern. I'm not worried about being sad in death. I am worried about those I love being in pain after their deaths without me there to help them. If my loved ones are in pain and suffering I want to be with them to give them what aid and comfort I can. Isn't it true that Jesus visited Hell and spoke with the rich man there? Doesn't that indicate that the souls are aware and conscious there? How can I abandon them?

I don't really expect answers here. I just don't have anywhere else to post these thoughts.

Again, thanks,

Jane

Jane, Most christians have family members and friends who didn't/don't know the Lord as their Savior, just like your loved ones. But we can't let that stop us from following the Lord and answering the call to our hearts by the Holy Spirit of God, you know?

It's so obvious from your posts that the Holy Spirit is speaking to your heart. You may just be the vessel God desires to use to bring many of your friends/family to the knowledge of Christ. The changes and love He brings to our lives is undeniable, and they will see this change in you.

I can't imagine how difficult this must be for you. We're blessed to have you here and we pray for you.

 

[Traderjane]

Thank you Julianna,

I can really feel the warmth and sincereity coming through so many of the posts here. As for me, I will simply continue learning, studying and trying to do my best to do good in the world.

 

[JesusIsComingReadyOrNot]

Traderjane, just so you don't rely on them for salvation. No amount of good works you do in the world can get you everlasting life.

James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

What I am saying is, what is going to matter is if you have Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, saved by grace through faith, and the Holy Spirit. And of course look at the above verse.

JUST SO YOU DON'T RELY ON THEM.

 

[mpaper345]

You sound as if Judaism and Christinity are 2 separate destinations both granting heaven but 2 different heavens.

If you claim Judaism is true then how can you say Christianity is true when Jesus said He is the King of the Jews and there is one designation,so if you chose Christianity you would be separated from your loved ones and they would not receive salvation.

If you believe Christianity is true then you could not believe Judaism is true.

Jesus is the God of the Jews Bible what Christians call the Old Testament.He is the prophet to come that Moses wrote about.

Matt

 

[mpaper345]

The lost will be cast in to outer darkness,that will be part of their punishment,to be uttery alone.

The Bible says that hell is in the lower parts of the earth.

Hell is in the earth.

The Bible says that death and hell will be cast in to the lake of fire,so since hell is in the eath,the whole earth will be cast in to the lake of fire.

The Bible says that the lost,their worm never dies,which means that they will feel the effect of the fire as the flesh feels the fire,since they loved the flesh,ignoring the truth.

All sin must be purged with fire.

The saints receive the Holy Spirit and fire,which does not hurt them,but purges them with Holy Spirit fire.

The Bible says that the heavens shall melt with fervent heat,and the earth will be cast in to the lake of fire.

The heavens have been tainted by Satan and must be purged with fire which they will melt with fervent heat.

The earth has been tainted by Satan and people who are sinful not accepting the truth,so the earth will be purged with fire for eternity with all the people in hell in the lower parts of the earth.

Since people who are lost will be sinful for all eternity,they must be purged with fire,in which their worm never dies,which means they will feel the fire as the flesh feels the fire.They will feel all the senses of the flesh and will have that fleshy body for eternity.

Matt