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i'll reply to this again.
my interest comes from hearing the testimonies of my former adventist friends. ok?
i am interested in people being informed about SDA before they consider it orthodox christianity.
i have no personal "selfish" motive. but this is something i've heard before when in discussion with solid SDA ministers and laity. always make the one questioning feel guilty.
i am from the Reformed tradition.
my interest comes from hearing the testimonies of my former adventist friends. ok?
i am interested in people being informed about SDA before they consider it orthodox christianity.
i have no personal "selfish" motive. but this is something i've heard before when in discussion with solid SDA ministers and laity. always make the one questioning feel guilty.
i am from the Reformed tradition.
second hand information?
are you trying to bury the fact i've said repeatedly former and current SDA? including ministers?
i've read the SDA literature, studied Ellen White's lies and plagiarism and can simply compare what SDA teaches with scripture.
you do not know what Reformed is?
here:
Reformed churches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
i don't feel guilty, why should i?
i said this is a common approach when SDA is confronted:
you and i needn't debate further - you're not interested in considering what i post, and i'm assuredly not considering SDA.
i will be posting on Ellen White.
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I just wanted to point out that this doesn't make sense. If you are a SDA and take William Miller and Ellen G. White with a grain of salt, you have no business continuing to follow their movements. I mean...this becomes a full paternity issue here. If they view their founders because they "take them with a grain of salt", then they have to acknowledge that what the movement has become since them is false, or contains even more skepticism. Do you understand my point here? Something false like that doesn't breed truth...it just gets further in teaching falsehoods.
The All-Seeing Eye:
The symbolism of the eye, as with all symbols, is open to many interpretations. Possible origins range from the third eye of Hinduism and yoga to the Vesica Pisces. The earliest known use of this symbol is the egyptian 'Eye of Horus'. From a masonic point of view this can be interpreted as the enlightenment of 'seeing' things as they really are, in the context of the third eye, or as a symbol of the gods watching over us, as with the Eye of Horus. This symbol also called the "Eye of Providence", sometimes referred to in Masonic rituals as the "All-Seeing Eye" (of Deity) is found in the ritual of most jurisdictions, reminding a Mason that his words and deeds are being judged by the "Supreme Architect of the Universe".
In modern society the all-seeing eye is usually equated with authority and surveillance. This interpretation can be seen in the logos of organizations such as DARPA in the US (Defense Advanced Research Project Agency founders of the internet), and MI5 (British intelligence) to name just a couple. Both of these organizations could be considered the all-seeing eye of their respective governments. From a Biblical stand point, there is not one single verse in the Bible that refers to God as "the all-seeing eye". The eye is a masonic symbol used in occultism to refer to their deity. So why are Seventh-Day Adventists so in love with these occult symbols? The symbol of the "Eye"can be traced within the (SDA) organization as far back as 1874, when Ellen G White (SDA Prophet) and her husband James White conceived the "Way of Life" lithograph shown below:
""Way of Life"" lithograph conceived by James and Ellen White, 1874.
Ellen G. White mentioning her deity "the all-seeing eye":
"There is need of each one in every school and in every institution to be as was Daniel—in such close connection with the Source of all wisdom that his powers will enable him to reach the highest standard of his duties in every line, that he may be able to fulfill his scholastic requirements, not only under able teachers, but also under the supervision of heavenly intelligences, knowing that the all-seeing, the ever sleepless Eye is upon him". (Spalding and Magan Collection, Page 75)
"Let all your acts be such that you would not be ashamed to meet them in the judgment. God’s eye never slumbers or sleeps. This all-seeing eye is ever upon you. (Manuscript Releases Volume Three [Nos. 162-209], Page 52)
"A faithful record of all their works is daily made by the recording angels. All their acts, and even the intents and purposes of the heart, stand faithfully revealed. Nothing is hid from the all-seeing eye of Him with whom we have to do". (Testimonies for the Church Volume 1, Page 468)
The symbolism of the eye, as with all symbols, is open to many interpretations. Possible origins range from the third eye of Hinduism and yoga to the Vesica Pisces. The earliest known use of this symbol is the egyptian 'Eye of Horus'. From a masonic point of view this can be interpreted as the enlightenment of 'seeing' things as they really are, in the context of the third eye, or as a symbol of the gods watching over us, as with the Eye of Horus. This symbol also called the "Eye of Providence", sometimes referred to in Masonic rituals as the "All-Seeing Eye" (of Deity) is found in the ritual of most jurisdictions, reminding a Mason that his words and deeds are being judged by the "Supreme Architect of the Universe".
In modern society the all-seeing eye is usually equated with authority and surveillance. This interpretation can be seen in the logos of organizations such as DARPA in the US (Defense Advanced Research Project Agency founders of the internet), and MI5 (British intelligence) to name just a couple. Both of these organizations could be considered the all-seeing eye of their respective governments. From a Biblical stand point, there is not one single verse in the Bible that refers to God as "the all-seeing eye". The eye is a masonic symbol used in occultism to refer to their deity. So why are Seventh-Day Adventists so in love with these occult symbols? The symbol of the "Eye"can be traced within the (SDA) organization as far back as 1874, when Ellen G White (SDA Prophet) and her husband James White conceived the "Way of Life" lithograph shown below:
""Way of Life"" lithograph conceived by James and Ellen White, 1874.
Ellen G. White mentioning her deity "the all-seeing eye":
"There is need of each one in every school and in every institution to be as was Daniel—in such close connection with the Source of all wisdom that his powers will enable him to reach the highest standard of his duties in every line, that he may be able to fulfill his scholastic requirements, not only under able teachers, but also under the supervision of heavenly intelligences, knowing that the all-seeing, the ever sleepless Eye is upon him". (Spalding and Magan Collection, Page 75)
"Let all your acts be such that you would not be ashamed to meet them in the judgment. God’s eye never slumbers or sleeps. This all-seeing eye is ever upon you. (Manuscript Releases Volume Three [Nos. 162-209], Page 52)
"A faithful record of all their works is daily made by the recording angels. All their acts, and even the intents and purposes of the heart, stand faithfully revealed. Nothing is hid from the all-seeing eye of Him with whom we have to do". (Testimonies for the Church Volume 1, Page 468)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSLppxyv-ik&list=PL30C0B9AA3538FE3D&index=1&feature=plpp_video << you tube video
The Seventh-Day Abomination
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The Seventh Day Abomination uses primary source photo characterization proof; to expose and refute James and Ellen White, (along with other early leaders of the SDA movement); as duplicitous evil masons. They continued the founder of Adventism, William Miller's Gnostic lodge externalization of false doctrines. All this evidence reveals Adventism's evil end times purpose in contributing to the fulfillment of Mystery Babylon prophesied in Revelation 17, 18; and the long time Masonic agenda of trying to corrupt the pure Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This video is given freely to all. It is illegal to sell copies of the Seventh-Day Abomination. Please report any violations.
Must read for former SDA's. These books by Andrew Murry will lead you into the Truth of walking in the Holy Spirit's presence as He glorifies the Lord Jesus Christ. Good books that will lay the only foundation that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11
The Power of the Blood of Jesus.
Andrew Murray:The Power of the Blood of Jesus.Table of Contents
Steps to walking and abiding in Christ
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Abide in Christ
Andrew Murray:Abide in Christ.Table of Contents
The Seventh-Day Abomination
2 hrs
The Seventh Day Abomination uses primary source photo characterization proof; to expose and refute James and Ellen White, (along with other early leaders of the SDA movement); as duplicitous evil masons. They continued the founder of Adventism, William Miller's Gnostic lodge externalization of false doctrines. All this evidence reveals Adventism's evil end times purpose in contributing to the fulfillment of Mystery Babylon prophesied in Revelation 17, 18; and the long time Masonic agenda of trying to corrupt the pure Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This video is given freely to all. It is illegal to sell copies of the Seventh-Day Abomination. Please report any violations.
Must read for former SDA's. These books by Andrew Murry will lead you into the Truth of walking in the Holy Spirit's presence as He glorifies the Lord Jesus Christ. Good books that will lay the only foundation that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11
The Power of the Blood of Jesus.
Andrew Murray:The Power of the Blood of Jesus.Table of Contents
Steps to walking and abiding in Christ
- home
Abide in Christ
Andrew Murray:Abide in Christ.Table of Contents
Occultism in SDA Magazines and Church Leadership
https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/occult-symbols-and-images-in-today-s-churches
https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/occult-symbols-and-images-in-today-s-churches
Seventh-day Adventism and the New Age Movement
New Age/Occult Markings on Ellen G. White's Writings -- "All-Seeing Eye"
The late Ellen G. White (November 26, 1827-July 16, 1915), known to Seventh-day Adventists as "God's Messenger" or "God's Prophet," used New Age/occult terminology and taught New Age doctrine via some of the pages of her voluminous published works.
For the sake of brevity I did not cite all the passages in which Mrs. Ellen G. White used the masonic term, "all-seeing eye." (She repeated the same passages in various publications.) Below are selected citations from Mrs. White's complete published works found at Ellen G. White ® Estate: The Official Ellen White ® Web site. [Quotations are used in accordance with the Fair Use Copyright Law. Bold emphasis added]
Does God see all things? Yes.
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. Proverbs 15:3
Is the eye of the LORD upon them that fear him? Yes.
Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; Psalm 33:18
Does the Holy Bible ever refer to God with the distinctly Masonic term, "all-seeing eye"? No.
The all-seeing eye" is the "Eye of Horus," not the God of the Christian Bible.
Ellen G. White Marked Her Deity for Freemasonry: "All-Seeing Eye"
How beautiful the earth was when it came from the Creator's hand! God presented before the universe a world in which even His all-seeing eye could find no spot or stain, no defect or crookedness. (1)
God's all-seeing eye notes the defects of all and the ruling passion of each, yet He bears with our mistakes and pities our weakness. He bids His people cherish the same spirit of tenderness and forbearance. True Christians will not exult in exposing the faults and deficiencies of others. They will turn away from vileness and deformity, to fix the mind upon that which is attractive and lovely. To the Christian every act of faultfinding, every word of censure or condemnation, is painful. 5T 94-96255 (2)
God's all-seeing eye notes the defects of all and the ruling passion of each, yet He bears with our mistakes and pities our weakness. He bids His people cherish the same spirit of tenderness and forbearance. True Christians will not exult in exposing the faults and deficiencies of others. They will . . . fix the mind upon that which is attractive and lovely. To the Christian every act of faultfinding, every word of censure or condemnation, is painful. . . . (3)
In the last great day decisions will be made that will be a surprise to many. Human judgment will have no place in the decisions then made. Christ can and will judge every case; for all judgment has been committed to Him by the Father. He will estimate service by that which is invisible to men. The most secret things lie open to His all-seeing eye. When the Judge of all men shall make His investigation, many of those whom human estimation has placed first will be placed last, and those who have been put in the lowest place by men will be taken out of the ranks and made first.--R.H., July 31, 1900. (4)....
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New Age/Occult Markings on Ellen G. White's Writings -- "All-Seeing Eye"
New Age/Occult Markings on Ellen G. White's Writings -- "All-Seeing Eye"
The late Ellen G. White (November 26, 1827-July 16, 1915), known to Seventh-day Adventists as "God's Messenger" or "God's Prophet," used New Age/occult terminology and taught New Age doctrine via some of the pages of her voluminous published works.
For the sake of brevity I did not cite all the passages in which Mrs. Ellen G. White used the masonic term, "all-seeing eye." (She repeated the same passages in various publications.) Below are selected citations from Mrs. White's complete published works found at Ellen G. White ® Estate: The Official Ellen White ® Web site. [Quotations are used in accordance with the Fair Use Copyright Law. Bold emphasis added]
Does God see all things? Yes.
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. Proverbs 15:3
Is the eye of the LORD upon them that fear him? Yes.
Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; Psalm 33:18
Does the Holy Bible ever refer to God with the distinctly Masonic term, "all-seeing eye"? No.
The all-seeing eye" is the "Eye of Horus," not the God of the Christian Bible.
Ellen G. White Marked Her Deity for Freemasonry: "All-Seeing Eye"
How beautiful the earth was when it came from the Creator's hand! God presented before the universe a world in which even His all-seeing eye could find no spot or stain, no defect or crookedness. (1)
God's all-seeing eye notes the defects of all and the ruling passion of each, yet He bears with our mistakes and pities our weakness. He bids His people cherish the same spirit of tenderness and forbearance. True Christians will not exult in exposing the faults and deficiencies of others. They will turn away from vileness and deformity, to fix the mind upon that which is attractive and lovely. To the Christian every act of faultfinding, every word of censure or condemnation, is painful. 5T 94-96255 (2)
God's all-seeing eye notes the defects of all and the ruling passion of each, yet He bears with our mistakes and pities our weakness. He bids His people cherish the same spirit of tenderness and forbearance. True Christians will not exult in exposing the faults and deficiencies of others. They will . . . fix the mind upon that which is attractive and lovely. To the Christian every act of faultfinding, every word of censure or condemnation, is painful. . . . (3)
In the last great day decisions will be made that will be a surprise to many. Human judgment will have no place in the decisions then made. Christ can and will judge every case; for all judgment has been committed to Him by the Father. He will estimate service by that which is invisible to men. The most secret things lie open to His all-seeing eye. When the Judge of all men shall make His investigation, many of those whom human estimation has placed first will be placed last, and those who have been put in the lowest place by men will be taken out of the ranks and made first.--R.H., July 31, 1900. (4)....
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New Age/Occult Markings on Ellen G. White's Writings -- "All-Seeing Eye"
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Friend, what you propose here is impossible. William Miller created the adventist movement and used false human predictions of Jesus' second coming to hold people to the faith. He did so in a way that the followers actually became known as "millerites". Again, the question should always be, "Who am I following?" The answer is quite clear by the name spoken, which in this case is clearly not Christ. Regardless, the concept of adventism started with William Miller, full stop.
Now Ellen White's parents joined the millerite movement when she was 12, which simultaneously broke their previous ties to the methodist faith. So for White's teenage years and beyond she grew up in the millerite movement and eventually married a millerite. Why? Well at 12 her parents followed the advent teaching of William Miller. Mind you, Miller's prediction ended in great disappointment. Why? Because people weren't following Christ, they were following a prediction made by a sinful man who claimed to be so inspired to "know". With so many existing followers suddenly left gasping for answers, Ellen G. White takes the stage with her own visionary gift. The 12 year old girl became the next prophetic voice. Although the voice all along should have been Jesus', alone.
So then Ellen G. White, a millerite, advanced the adventist church? And to rebut your claim, the investigative judgement doctrine in SDA is very much White's influence.
I just don't understand how a person involved in SDA cannot see the reckoning of all of this. As I stated, it is a paternity issue. To claim that SDA doctrine isn't based on Miller or White is impossible on multiple fronts as their sinful DNA is all over adventism and its various seventh day offshoots. However, to hear Jesus in Matt 16:24 and understand that it is about following Him, not Miller or White, is just as applicable today as it was 150 years ago when SDA ancestors were called millerites rather than Christ followers.
False accusations? By your statement above you seem to deny where your "faith/church" comes from. It is actually quite hard for me to fathom because this is all about legitimacy. You knock out the legs from the table and the table crashes to the floor. And I am not trying to be rude or combative...but I'm not going to stop pointing to a discernment issue that some may start to reflect upon.
Now Ellen White's parents joined the millerite movement when she was 12, which simultaneously broke their previous ties to the methodist faith. So for White's teenage years and beyond she grew up in the millerite movement and eventually married a millerite. Why? Well at 12 her parents followed the advent teaching of William Miller. Mind you, Miller's prediction ended in great disappointment. Why? Because people weren't following Christ, they were following a prediction made by a sinful man who claimed to be so inspired to "know". With so many existing followers suddenly left gasping for answers, Ellen G. White takes the stage with her own visionary gift. The 12 year old girl became the next prophetic voice. Although the voice all along should have been Jesus', alone.
So then Ellen G. White, a millerite, advanced the adventist church? And to rebut your claim, the investigative judgement doctrine in SDA is very much White's influence.
I just don't understand how a person involved in SDA cannot see the reckoning of all of this. As I stated, it is a paternity issue. To claim that SDA doctrine isn't based on Miller or White is impossible on multiple fronts as their sinful DNA is all over adventism and its various seventh day offshoots. However, to hear Jesus in Matt 16:24 and understand that it is about following Him, not Miller or White, is just as applicable today as it was 150 years ago when SDA ancestors were called millerites rather than Christ followers.
False accusations? By your statement above you seem to deny where your "faith/church" comes from. It is actually quite hard for me to fathom because this is all about legitimacy. You knock out the legs from the table and the table crashes to the floor. And I am not trying to be rude or combative...but I'm not going to stop pointing to a discernment issue that some may start to reflect upon.
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The fact is I can show you from the bible and the bible alone. I don't need a person to go by. Truth is every church had a person start it regardless that dos not make them God or soul provider of teachings the people in the Adventist church came from meany different back grounds not just Methodist. But even if I used the same argument you could say we are followers of the martyrs and their teachings from the dark ages when the church started to brake away from the catholic church. Now dos that make us "martyrsrites"? (Knowing that is not a word) that's where the reminded teaching of the Just live by faith came from. But we all know that's not true the bible says test all things with the bible its self and hold on to what is good. Just as the brethren in Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Now would you call them Paulrites? Of course not. It just means that learning grows over time.
Now would you call them Paulrites? Of course not. It just means that learning grows over time.