short study on the Sabbath and the new covenant.

[Hizikyah]

By Faith, or by Works of the Law?

Galatians 3

3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[a] the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

SO If I honor the 4th Commandmet as written Im bad? and if I dont steal im bad?

Or is that verse misused, and that was that written to the Galatians who were trying to earn their way to the kingdom by obedience?

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."

4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin – from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition – a sabbath rest

2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest,, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin – from katapauó, Definition – rest

This continual leaving out of the work of Christ shows that this line of thinking and twisting of the scriptures is in reality exchanging Christ for the law of Moses. It is an anti-Christ belief system.

This is the extreme teachings of some sects in the Hebrew Roots Movement. Not all are Hebrew Roots are bad and pervert the gospel of Christ. Many have great things to show about how Christ fulfilled the law and teach us to see Christ in all the OT.

Christians are dead to the law, been released from the law and are not under the law of Moses anymore. It doesn't get any plainer than that.

The saints have been warned about this religion which denies the work of Christ. The just shall live by faith - faith in what Christ has done. We can trust Christ who lives in us. We can trust the Holy Spirit who is in us in the New Covenant for life and living now.

We are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone.

 

[Hizikyah]

I have explained this out a few times before to you but for the sake of any new viewers I will relate what it means in the New Covenant in Christ means. We don't want mew believers to desert Christ by going back to the law of Moses for life and living. Gal. 1:6

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Christ.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We don't need to "obey" Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with animals now because the law of the spirit of Life in Christ Jesus will stop that within us. We can trust the Lord by the Spirit of God inside of us to lead us now that we are in Christ. Romans 8:14


We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.



As has been said many times - people are free in Christ to observe a day, festival how ever they want - but when someone says "If you do not observe the Sabbath day as in the law of Moses - then you are disobeying God". This is a perversion of the4 gospel of Christ. This is what Paul called Judaizers in our midst.

Why did Paul say this then:

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

and we know it nt "because he was a jew" because there is only onw way, Yahshua/Jesus....

and He says this:

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."​

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"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459​

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Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)​

1) the condition of without law​

1a) because ignorant of it​

1b) because of violating it​

2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness​

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[zone]

....was that written to the Galatians who were trying to earn their way to the kingdom by obedience?

applies to you as well.

 

[Hizikyah]

This continual leaving out of the work of Christ shows that this line of thinking and twisting of the scriptures is in reality exchanging Christ for the law of Moses. It is an anti-Christ belief system.

Christians are dead to the law, been released fro the law and are not under the law of Moses anymore. It doesn't get any plainer than that.

The saints have been warned about this religion which denies the work of Christ. The just shall live by faith - faith in what Christ has done. We can trust Christ who lives in us. We can trust the Holy Spirit who is in us in the New Covenant for life and living now.

We are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone.

Dead to the law of sin and detah aka the ways of the world not dead to Yah's Instructions....

Yahanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." ​

Yahanan (John) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."​

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Yahanan (John) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."​

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Yahanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."​

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Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”​

 

[Grace777x70]

Why did Paul say this then:

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

and we know it nt "because he was a jew" because there is only onw way, Yahshua/Jesus....

and He says this:

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."


"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459


Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness


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Simple - because only Christ can save us. Every person in this world has a form of the law in them because of Adam. Paul taught that in Romans 2:14-15.

The word "law" means rule, principle. For example - The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.

People do want to do "good" as the law is in all of us before we come to Christ - and only Christ can set us free from that law and the only way to do that was - we have to die to the law and become born again when Christ was raised from the dead - we too were raised to newness of life - . Romans 7:6

The law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We were never meant to eat from that tree. We were meant to eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself.

 

[Grace777x70]

Dead to the law of sin and detah aka the ways of the world not dead to Yah's Instructions....

Yahanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." ​

Yahanan (John) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


Yahanan (John) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."


Yahanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”​

Again you continually leave out Christ and what He has done to go back to the law of Moses for life and living. This is an anti-Christ religion belief system.

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.


The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10

I am out of this discussion as I have refuted this religion a few times in other threads as well as this one and I'm sure the Holy Spirit within the young believers will alert them to this deception that denies Christ and in fact distorts and perverts the gospel of the grace of Christ in the New Covenant.

 

[Hizikyah]

Simple - because only Christ can save us. Every person in this world has a form of the law in them because of Adam. Paul taught that in Romans 2:14-15.

The word "law" means rule, principle. For example - The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.

People do want to do "good" as the law is in all of us before we come to Christ - and only Christ can set us free from that law and the only way to do that was - we have to die to the law and become born again when Christ was raised from the dead - we too were raised to newness of life - . Romans 7:6

The law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We were never meant to eat from that tree. We were meant to eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself.

You are mistaking what "law" we are supposed to be dead to:

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 7 -


7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.


12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.


13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.


25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.


"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverence from a mind that wants to do those things?




Romans 8:


2 Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.


(Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law.")

 

[Hizikyah]

applies to you as well.

Seems you judge things you can not know.

1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is YHWH! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from YHWH."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

 

[zone]

Seems you judge things you can not know.

1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is YHWH! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from YHWH."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

chill out man.
I don't care that much when it comes to people claiming to be Christians (saved by Christ) when theyre really just practicing Judaism. good luck with that.

 

[BeyondET]

Why is it the 4th commandment (the Sabbath) is the only one discarded, no one thinks do not kill is somehow bad if you honor it, no one thinks do not steal is bad if you honor it, yet as soon as one seeks to honor the 4th commandment, the Sabbath, they are "fallen" and "spiritually blind"...

I think it is because the Sabbath, according to Scripture is (a mark upon your hand and head):

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Not quite it's a matter of how you look at the Sabbath, believe in Jesus honor Jesus for He is the Sabbath not Saturday or Sunday but Jesus

Matthew 12:8

The Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath

 

[Dan_473]

I like the idea of celebrating the Sabbath by going hang gliding on the seventh day.

 

[Hizikyah]

chill out man.
I don't care that much when it comes to people claiming to be Christians (saved by Christ) when theyre really just practicing Judaism. good luck with that.

LOL, me chill out. I posted Scripture you twice have done nothing but slandered me/personal attacked me.

False accusations. You slander so easily. Besides, Jusdaisim teaches the talmud, not the Law as written in Scripture.

Mattithyah 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah(29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."



*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."​

 

[FreeNChrist]

You are mistaking what "law" we are supposed to be dead to:

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 7 -


7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.


12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.


13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.


25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.


"I have deliverance", is it deliverance from "do not steal" or deliverance from breaking "do not steal"? Or is it deliverence from a mind that wants to do those things?




Romans 8:


2 Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.


(Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law.")

Last I checked "coveting" was one of the 10 commandments, the Law.

 

[Hizikyah]

Not quite it's a matter of how you look at the Sabbath, believe in Jesus honor Jesus for He is the Sabbath not Saturday or Sunday but Jesus

Matthew 12:8

The Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath

Would not honoring Yahshua/Jesus be faithfully obeying what He says?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Until you, Hizikyah, deal honestly with Romans 7:5-7, you're just spitting into the wind.

 

[Hizikyah]

Until you, Hizikyah, deal honestly with Romans 7:5-7, you're just spitting into the wind.

Ok so explain it to me.

 

[PeterJens]

Again you continually leave out Christ and what He has done to go back to the law of Moses for life and living. This is an anti-Christ religion belief system.

There is a big difference between seeing celebrating festivals and holy days of the old
testament, and being anti-Christ.

I would question the spirit of such a person who uses this language, because it is focusing
on the wrong issues.

The sin is justifying oneself by religious behaviour, rather than expressing ones faith through
celebration.

And the real sin is often in sinful behaviour and lack of victory alongside the religious show.
And for those who preach lawlessness and no morality, they are more likely to have followers
who are worldly sinners who have no desire to walk like Christ, as this is not their goal.

Paul was arrested in Jerusalem because he was attending the week long ritual of purification at
the temple, and the Jews thought he had brought gentiles along.

So Paul the authority for many in their teaching, was following the very ceremonies they condemn.
Secondly Paul was not against recognising Gods instituted ceremonies, it was just if in faith you were
free in Christ not to participate, then you need not. I for one have no desire to get involved and in
Christ I am equally blessed as my brothers who do, Halleluyah.

 

[zone]

Ok so explain it to me.

but you will never believe.

Romans 7:5-7

Released from the Law

5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work k in our members l to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the m new way of n the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. 1

 

[Hizikyah]

but you will never believe.

Romans 7:5-7

Released from the Law

5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work k in our members l to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the m new way of n the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. 1

How can you tell someone what they will and wont believe, you are the most judgemental person I have met on CC. Been a while Zone, but you are rude as usual.